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Poolio said:
And now for the really wacky stuff. I have no idea if any of these were ever serious proposals.
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^This one looks like an early '90s shopping mall exploding
 
JeffDowntown said:
They cannot build a tall res tower in the other locations south of the current tower. You enter FAA 300 ft. restricted airspace just south of the current tower. (In fact it seems they likely fudged the edge of the airspace restriction for the current tower.)
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I checked and you're right that the height limit there is stupidly low. However, there also seems to be some leeway compared to the FAA map. For example, 1 Dalton is squarely in the ~500' range but ended up approximately 756'. So maybe there's some hope to at least exceed 300'.

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DZH22 said:
I checked and you're right that the height limit there is stupidly low. However, there also seems to be some leeway compared to the FAA map. For example, 1 Dalton is squarely in the ~500' range but ended up approximately 756'. So maybe there's some hope to at least exceed 300'.

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Yes, there does seem to be some ability to bend the line close to the transition points (like One Dalton). Although the FAA may have already done that for the South Station Tower, and may not be willing to do more.

I believe those mid-height zones are for clear radar coverage on the even tighter runway approach paths.
 
Let's go back... way back... to proposals back when "tear down South Station" was the going concern.

The first serious proposals seem to have been in 1958. Here's a 3,000-car garage (with heliport!) proposed by the city that year:
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Here are two proposals from 1966:
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BRA plan from 1967. They claimed the 5,200-space garage could be emptied in 22 minutes. Gridlock? What gridlock?
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Port Authority plan, also from 1967, by Josep Luis Sert:
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Suffice to say, what we're getting - the beautiful South Station with the exciting new concourse, a decent bus terminal, minimal parking, and a non-hideous (if slightly boring) tower - is worlds better than what could have been.
 
Here are some photos from when I went through South Station yesterday (6/20). They have the track numbers on the new building now!:
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I also was able to get a look through the keyhole to the new section of the bus terminal:
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And lastly, the tower itself:
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I wonder what's taking the new section of the bus terminal so long to open. The terminal and bus bays look done, and certainly they can block off any other elevators and escalators until they are ready, right?
 
A few more photos from today. 6/21/25.
 

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BeeLine said:
A few more photos from today. 6/21/25.
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They really need to take down all that cra- hanging inside the concourse. It looks messy, it makes the space seem much smaller, it blocks light, and now it blocks the view of the domes they spent so much money building. There are plenty of other ways they can sell ad space without junking it up like that. And speaking of the domes, they should light up the interior facades of the support columns so they don't look so dark from inside the concourse. It would show them off as well.
 
Some more from this morning. 6/22/25
 

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JeffDowntown said:
Yes, there does seem to be some ability to bend the line close to the transition points (like One Dalton). Although the FAA may have already done that for the South Station Tower, and may not be willing to do more.

I believe those mid-height zones are for clear radar coverage on the even tighter runway approach paths.
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The FAA restrictions are for one-engine out on takeoff and climb. A developer is free to build above those limits, but good luck getting liability insurance. The FAA could declare that the proposed structural height represented a hazard to aviation. No insurance, no financing.. The FAA does not have any zoning authority.

Also, in high temperature conditions -- which can directly affect lift and engine thrust --this might lead to the runway being closed for departures for certain types of aircraft.
 
chrisbrat said:
good!
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Please give me the pros of keeping it open. (And if you feel like it, the cons.) Keep in mind that there are openings for air flow and ventilation on both sides of the outdoor concourse.
 
stellarfun said:
The FAA restrictions are for one-engine out on takeoff and climb. A developer is free to build above those limits, but good luck getting liability insurance. The FAA could declare that the proposed structural height represented a hazard to aviation. No insurance, no financing.. The FAA does not have any zoning authority.

Also, in high temperature conditions -- which can directly affect lift and engine thrust --this might lead to the runway being closed for departures for certain types of aircraft.
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There was also discussion of radar coverage during the Winthrop Center height question. That may be for separate areas of downtown.

Also, while the FAA does not determine Zoning, the Boston Zoning Code does incorporate the FAA Determination of No Hazard to Air Navigation (or similar determination) as a requirement for plan approval. This is pretty common in zoning codes.
 
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If you look at the skyline from logan none of the new towers appear taller than intl place. The faa map has been designed so no new towers go any higher than whats already there, so in practice it means the further away a building is from downtown the taller it can be until it equals the roof height of intl place when drawing a straight line from logan. Winthrop center had a couple more feet they would have went and that would have put the roof basically dead even with 1ip from this vantage point.

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SMCYB said:
Please give me the pros of keeping it open. (And if you feel like it, the cons.) Keep in mind that there are openings for air flow and ventilation on both sides of the outdoor concourse.
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Sure. For the same reason I don't wish the arches had doors. It's the outdoor part of the station and all aspects that enhance the "outdoors-ish-ness" of it are fun. The notion that walking under that extremely narrow "gap" will somehow ruin a person's outfit or hair or bag or whatever if it's raining or snowing is ridiculous. It's outdoors and you will encounter outdoor-type stuff.
 
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