Logan Flight Additions

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How can it be that BGR (Bangor, ME) has flights to ORD(3x), EWR(2x), LGA(3.5x), DCA(2x), & PHL(3.5x) but nothing on JetBlue to BOS or JFK?https://flybangor.com/passenger-information/flight-status/

I would think a JFK-BOS-BGR would do well: for feed purposes it might as well be a flight to Europe

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If there were ever a chance to balance a BOS hub on the Northeast quadrant, BGR would seem to be it.
 
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How can it be that BGR (Bangor, ME) has flights to ORD, EWR, LGA, DCA, & PHL but nothing on JetBlue to BOS or JFK?

https://flybangor.com/passenger-information/flight-status/

I would think a JFK-BOS-BGR would do well: for feed purposes it might as well be a flight to Europe.
I was actually surprised at the level of service Bangor has. I am not sure if this is only seasonal levels, but 3 flights to O'Hare for a secondary city in one of the smallest states is impressive.
 

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I was actually surprised at the level of service Bangor has. I am not sure if this is only seasonal levels, but 3 flights to O'Hare for a secondary city in one of the smallest states is impressive.
I'm willing to bet it's a combination of factors.

  1. Drawing from well outside the small 150k metro area. It's a tiny city, but it's extremely remote by New England/NE United States standards. So the catchment area is pretty big. Basically much of Central, and all of Northern and Eastern Maine. When I was in college and flew out of the airport a few times, there were also a lot of people from New Brunswick flying out of Bangor as well.
  2. Tourism. It's the closest "major" airport to Bar Harbor, Acadia NP, and the Downeast ME coast. So it has major upticks in service for the summer season.

But even still, the airport serves under 500k passengers per year. Seems about right. Burlington, VT is similarly sized (a little larger) and serves about 700k. So they're likely using pretty small aircraft in order to get those frequencies. That's an issue for Jetblue which doesn't fly anything smaller than the 100 seat E-190 (the soon to be delivered A220 will have similar/slightly higher capacity). So filling it enough to generate revenue might be tricky. Maybe less so with the efficient 220. Delta Connection may consider a feeder using the E175 or a CRJ as they continue to build out the Boston hub.
 

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What happened to JetBlue's partnership with CapeAir? I see Cape Air flies to Bar Harbor (BHB) (Acacia NP) but no longer as a code share?
 

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Not really a flight 'addition' but American Airlines and United Airlines will both be decreasing Boston capacity by 5.4% while WN shrinks 11% in Boston for the upcoming year.

Although this 'shrink' offset by massive International expansions and growth from Delta, jetBlue andFrontier.

By checking some of the flights, a lot of AA Shuttle flights have downguaged and MIA/CLT lost a freq.
 

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Not really a flight 'addition' but American Airlines and United Airlines will both be decreasing Boston capacity by 5.4% while WN shrinks 11% in Boston for the upcoming year.

Although this 'shrink' offset by massive International expansions and growth from Delta, jetBlue andFrontier.

By checking some of the flights, a lot of AA Shuttle flights have downguaged and MIA/CLT lost a freq.
Some of this may be related to uncertainty over when 737 Max deliveries resume, and when it can begin flying again.

American ordered 100, with 24 delivered.
United ordered 137 with 14 delivered.
 

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They're struggling pretty bad. Air India identified Boston as a target market for expansion a few years back, but they're in no position to expand right now. Jet Airways has suspended operations as far as I know.

I don't see DL doing BOS-BOM either. At least not for a while. I doubt they'd launch the route on an a350 which is large (harder to fill), and there are no plans to base that aircraft at Logan. I'm not sure that Terminal A can even accommodate one. It's possible that they could eventually launch it on the a330-900 which has the range and DL operates A330s out of BOS already, but they only started taking delivery of the a330 this spring and the first flight with one was last month (all are based at Seattle for the time being). So it'll be a while before they have the equipment to launch the route.
Has there ever been any talk to SQ having a BOS-SIN route??? Thats really a big name carrier/route that Boston could/should have...

Boston could potentially have Qantas routes to Sydney/Melbourne, Air India to BOM/DEL, and perhaps South African to J'burg.
 

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Has there ever been any talk to SQ having a BOS-SIN route??? Thats really a big name carrier/route that Boston could/should have...

Boston could potentially have Qantas routes to Sydney/Melbourne, Air India to BOM/DEL, and perhaps South African to J'burg.
Not many aircraft can make that route non stop. The NYC SIN route has to operate as business class only cause it can't take a full economy load.

And to Australia, I don't think there is any aircraft that can make that route commercially without a stop.

India is probably the most reasonable. That's doable. Would take a decent bite out of the middle eastern carriers connecting traffic though.
 

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Has there ever been any talk to SQ having a BOS-SIN route??? Thats really a big name carrier/route that Boston could/should have...

Boston could potentially have Qantas routes to Sydney/Melbourne, Air India to BOM/DEL, and perhaps South African to J'burg.
We're never going to see Qantas serving Boston. Plenty of convenient one-stop options on American via Dallas/Ft. Worth (a tiny local market to Australia, but given the large American hub here, it makes sense), Los Angeles and soon Chicago O'Hare which is getting non-stop flights to Brisbane in April 2020. Apart from New York (which is supposedly getting non-stop flights to Australia in 2021) I can't see Qantas doing one-stop service to any other US destination.

While Massport wants them, I cannot see Air India adding service to Boston. Plenty of convenient one-stop connections via Dubai on Emirates, or Doha on Qatar. Boston isn't New York or San Francisco in terms of market size and we also don't have a Star Alliance carrier in Boston to help feed the flights like Newark and San Francisco do. Qatar offers one-stop connections to 13 cities in India. Emirates offers one-stop connections to 10 cities in India.

Boston to Singapore would be the second longest non-stop flight in the world, just slightly shorter than Newark to Singapore which Singapore Airlines flies with a premium heavy configured A350. It would be nice, but it's another route I cannot see happen given the sheer distance and cost to operate such a flight.

I do agree with Ty that Air India is the most likely to happen.
 

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It is official: this thread has a widebody-and-longer fetish to go with the height fetish in the skyline threads.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

But I do feel isolated when I revel in the joys of a new nonstop to Rochester, or a nicely redone residential-over-retail.
 

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It is official: this thread has a widebody-and-longer fetish to go with the height fetish in the skyline threads.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

But I do feel isolated when I revel in the joys of a new nonstop to Rochester, or a nicely redone residential-over-retail.
Nonstops to Rochester are good for the citizens, but do nothing for the prestige of the City. Since most of us won't take flights to either Rochester or Mumbai in our lives, we'll tend to trumpet the international flights more.
 

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Where is this prestige stored, nurtured and measured? And how would any particular nonstop add measurably?
 

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It is official: this thread has a widebody-and-longer fetish to go with the height fetish in the skyline threads.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

But I do feel isolated when I revel in the joys of a new nonstop to Rochester, or a nicely redone residential-over-retail.
Really, these guys are having an intelligent conversation about non-stop flights to distant cities, and the reasons why it's really not doable. I don't see any 'fetish' in that, which in this connotation, seems like such a negative jab at the posters. I'm a big fan of Logan, of Boston, of MA in general, and when I see news about non-stop flights to cities previously un-served by Logan, I'm actually proud. Is it a fetish? Who knows, but no more than certain Red Sox fans, or dudes that love certain craft beets, or whatever. This is a thread for Logan flight additions, after all, if one can't get a point of pride here, carry on a conversation with the topic that one has an interest in, without shade thrown at them, well then, what's the point of even posting? That goes for this whole archBoston as well. If certain guys love height, what of it? Read it and move on, roll your eyes, whatever, and if you have a push back, at least make it civil, without insults.
 

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We're never going to see Qantas serving Boston. Plenty of convenient one-stop options on American via Dallas/Ft. Worth (a tiny local market to Australia, but given the large American hub here, it makes sense), Los Angeles and soon Chicago O'Hare which is getting non-stop flights to Brisbane in April 2020. Apart from New York (which is supposedly getting non-stop flights to Australia in 2021) I can't see Qantas doing one-stop service to any other US destination.

While Massport wants them, I cannot see Air India adding service to Boston. Plenty of convenient one-stop connections via Dubai on Emirates, or Doha on Qatar. Boston isn't New York or San Francisco in terms of market size and we also don't have a Star Alliance carrier in Boston to help feed the flights like Newark and San Francisco do. Qatar offers one-stop connections to 13 cities in India. Emirates offers one-stop connections to 10 cities in India.

Boston to Singapore would be the second longest non-stop flight in the world, just slightly shorter than Newark to Singapore which Singapore Airlines flies with a premium heavy configured A350. It would be nice, but it's another route I cannot see happen given the sheer distance and cost to operate such a flight.

I do agree with Ty that Air India is the most likely to happen.
I've flown multiple times over the last few years to both Singapore and Sydney.

Both of the last two times to Sydney, I've used the Boston-DFW-Sydney route, and it's quite nice. I much prefer it to the Los Angeles connection, which I did 3 years ago. The DFW to Sydney is a LONG flight, though. I can't imagine Boston having enough business to have a direct flight. Starting out the journey with a relatively short flight to Dallas was not bad at all.

For Singapore, I've always done Boston-Hong Kong-Singapore. The Boston to Hong Kong is quite nice and you arrive in the same time-zone as Singapore. Then I think it was a relatively short 4 hours down to Singapore.

For me, the two connecting cities of Dallas or Hong Kong for those respective flights was not a negative.
 

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For me, the two connecting cities of Dallas or Hong Kong for those respective flights was not a negative.
I've never done HKG-SIN, but I've done DFW-SYD (in economy) and I agree. I actually agree with Whighlander's comments about BOS-FRA-India (MAA for me typically). It's a really easy connection.

Apart from the either the financial constraints (Indian air carriers), or the technical limits of aircraft range (Singapore, Australia), I think the ability to make fairly comfortable connections to these places all but ensures that they won't have direct Boston flights for some time.
 

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One can also now do SYD-BOS with one stop in Hawaii on Hawaiian Airlines (on some days), all booked on one ticket. It's a lovely midpoint layover, though probably incompatible with some folks' loyalty program prefs.
 

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Delta has announced new flights from Boston:

- New route - London Gatwick to Boston from 21 May 2020 1x daily
- New route - Manchester to Boston from 21 May 2020 1x daily (replacing Virgin Atlantic)


Now (so far) .. Delta will have the following TATL routes on their own Metal:
-2x Amsterdam
-1x Paris
-1x London-LHR
-1x London-LGW
-1x Manchester
-1x Lisbon (Seasonal)
-1x Dublin (Seasonal)
-1x Edinburgh (seasonal)

Looks like the only ones they are missing are Glasgow for the British Isles, and future additions could possibly include places like Brussels, Frankfurt, Madrid, Rome, Milan, etc.
 
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I'd be curious to see if Delta's SkyTeam partner Air Europa makes a return to Boston, at least on a seasonal basis, with non-stop service to Madrid. They lasted only one season in Boston, but now that Delta is building up Boston, it may be a better outcome.

It's going to be interesting if the Manchester flights work well year round. Currently at 3 weekly on an A332. Going daily and sending a smaller plane may improve the routes performance.
 

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