Nubian Sq. Parcel P-3 (nee Tremont Crossing) | Roxbury

Are there any pictures from ground level of the boston and providence railroad when it was elevated along the route of the southwest corridor? Its pretty crazy to see how what is now a trench was once an elevated rail line in the same spot.
There are some historical markers around Roxbury Crossing Station that have a lot of old photographs. More than I've been able to find online. But pictures certainly exist. Here are some old Boston and Providence stations at what are now Roxbury Crossing and Green Street Stations.
(From the Wikipedia pages for those stations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxbury_Crossing_station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Street_station#History)
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I have never been able to find pics of the line or any of the old stations, its super weird. It seems like all other rail lines are very well documented with pictures except this one pre-trench.
I have similarly been stymied in my efforts to find pictures of this. Even pictures of the old Forest Hills station, seem to be taken from angles that avoid showing the main line rail embankment. Interestingly, there is at least one place where the embankment wall remains to this day:

 
Awesome pictures! Never would have known there was so much stone.
 
Awesome pictures! Never would have known there was so much stone.
After the Bussey Bridge Disaster in 1887 there was enough widespread panic about the condition of numerous flimsy-construction bridges that the Boston & Providence RR (and later NYNH&H) for awhile made an ostentatious show of doing overbuilt stone railroad structures to restore public confidence in them. Most of the grade separations of the NEC through the old embankment were done by them in the immediate post-Bussey era and reflected those 'optics'.
 
@stick n move , some book I was reading recently had a bunch more pictures of what you are looking for, and I'm pretty sure it's "People before Highways: Boston Activists, Urban Planners, and a New Movement for City Making" by Karilyn Crockett. (Pretty sure)

Also, I totally forgot about this classic photo of the rail embankment, after they had cleared most of the adjacent land for I-95.

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I have similarly been stymied in my efforts to find pictures of this. Even pictures of the old Forest Hills station, seem to be taken from angles that avoid showing the main line rail embankment. Interestingly, there is at least one place where the embankment wall remains to this day:

I think I remember seeing that a lot of the embankment walls are still up adjacent to Terrace st.

 
A couple of additional images / resources.

As an aside for anyone interested, the Boston Globe actually has a whole slew of articles between 1890 and 1895 covering the topic of eliminating the Roxbury Crossing grade tracks prior to the actual undertaking of construction, including numerous proposals (some realized, some not) accompanied with cost estimates and figures from the City Council, municipal officials, and Old Colony / New Haven representatives. If you believe the Globe, the immediate catalyst for the debate was three fatal accidents that occurred over three weeks in May and June of 1890. A lovely quote on the topic comes from a public hearing on Roxbury Crossing reported on June 11 of that year:

"Why, our crossing has seen more men killed by trains in the last three years than the whole German army has killed. It is nothing more or less than a human slaughterhouse."

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Roxbury Station Depot (either during initial construction in 1887-1888 or its elevation in 1897)




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Tracks at Roxbury Crossing, 1905 (main focus is on BERy carhouse, but there's good detail of the Tremont Street span on the right)



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Roxbury Crossing from Tremont Street, 1919 (note the "Uneeda Biscuit" billboard that was also present in the previous photograph fourteen years earlier)




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Roxbury Crossing from Tremont Street, 1948




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Globe Article, August 20, 1896



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Globe Article, March 24, 1897



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Globe Article, May 10, 1897



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Railroad Gazette Article, June 14, 1895





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Amazing pictures, crazy looking back at something that no longer exists. Its amazing how they used to just raise buildings up back then. Something wed almost never do today.
 
That is amazing. On that topic, it was mentioned before that about a quarter of the houses on Francis Street in Mission Hill were moved there to make room for Brigham's new cardiac building, but another recent favorite building move of mine is the church for Lesley's Lunder Arts Center in Cambridge.
 
Amazing pictures, crazy looking back at something that no longer exists. Its amazing how they used to just raise buildings up back then. Something wed almost never do today.
Around 1961 and 62 when I was in 6th and 7th grade, I would ride my bike from North Cambridge where I lived, up to Medford to watch the I-93 construction. Around Roosevelt Circle were several single family homes, fairly large ones, raised up from their foundations and resting on temporary beams to make room for the new highway. These homes were moved up the hill to vacant lots east of Roosevelt Circle. Pretty fascinating for a kid to see, and seeing the I-93 construction project from start to finish really got me interested in becoming a civil engineer.
 
Yea I wasnt saying it was on a viaduct like the old orange line just that it was elevated above ground level. I have never been able to find pics of the line or any of the old stations, its super weird. It seems like all other rail lines are very well documented with pictures except this one pre-trench.


Just like with so many other massive redevelopments theyve tried to do that havent worked out I think their problem was not breaking the site up into multiple blocks. Its so much harder to find a developer who can commit the hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars it takes to build an entire district from start to finish, compared to if they had broken it up and sold off each lot individually each developer would have only had to build 1 building a piece. They could have done this 10+ years ago and by now a couple of the lots would have been built and thered be proposals in the pipeline for a couple more.

From the hym proposal thats 5 different lots they could have broken this up into. One developer trying to build all of this is going to be very hard to make work.

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I totally agree re not dividing the parcels up.

As for the embankment, there are photos cuz I have searched for them back in the day when I was more into that, but never found a lot. I used to live next to the SWC and was blown away when I learned about the embankment. The most accessible one is the “highways not people” anti highway protest graffiti near the embankment at FH. Remember, that’s the reason the Casey was built… You had the railroad embankment, in addition to the elevated OL, plus the Arborway. Must have been crazy.

I’m not sure if it’s still there, but behind the parcels that Wentworth has been developing next to Roxbury Crossing, there was a bit of the embankment still standing next to the OL. It’s here on street view at least: https://maps.app.goo.gl/vTdUY4cuwQVbF2A9A

Also, I believe that all of the big granite blocks that line the SWC parks come from that embankment.

If you find old pics of Jackson Sq you can see it there. But there are others I’ve seen of Stony Brook adjacent territory—maybe on the JP historical society if you search…
 
A couple of additional images / resources.

As an aside for anyone interested, the Boston Globe actually has a whole slew of articles between 1890 and 1895 covering the topic of eliminating the Roxbury Crossing grade tracks prior to the actual undertaking of construction, including numerous proposals (some realized, some not) accompanied with cost estimates and figures from the City Council, municipal officials, and Old Colony / New Haven representatives. If you believe the Globe, the immediate catalyst for the debate was three fatal accidents that occurred over three weeks in May and June of 1890. A lovely quote on the topic comes from a public hearing on Roxbury Crossing reported on June 11 of that year:

"Why, our crossing has seen more men killed by trains in the last three years than the whole German army has killed. It is nothing more or less than a human slaughterhouse."

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Roxbury Station Depot (either during initial construction in 1887-1888 or its elevation in 1897)




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Tracks at Roxbury Crossing, 1905 (main focus is on BERy carhouse, but there's good detail of the Tremont Street span on the right)



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Roxbury Crossing from Tremont Street, 1919 (note the "Uneeda Biscuit" billboard that was also present in the previous photograph fourteen years earlier)




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Roxbury Crossing from Tremont Street, 1948




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Globe Article, August 20, 1896



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Globe Article, March 24, 1897



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Globe Article, May 10, 1897



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Railroad Gazette Article, June 14, 1895





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Incredibly depressing when you realize:

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(Google street view, 2022)

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(1948)
 
Remember, that’s the reason the Casey was built… You had the railroad embankment, in addition to the elevated OL, plus the Arborway. Must have been crazy.

This really hit home when I looked at the picture Scott had linked to. Never realized the embankment went past the arborway.

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I found this pic from ground level showing the el, and embankment passing beneath casey overpass.
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Looking for some more pics of the casey overpass I came across a blog called arborway matters with a good amount of pictures. Good stuff.


The embankment passing over the arborway.
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Looking north at forest hills 1925
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Crossing the arborway
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Forest hills
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Casey overpass
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Forest hills square
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1970’s embankment in background
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Forest hills station, embankment in rear
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Bonus pic I have never seen. Heres a rendering of forest hills if the highway project had happened. The casey overpass is the bridge going east west over the highway. Not only was there 8 lanes of highway, but also 8 lanes of frontage roads.
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Horse drawn carriage on the arborway passing under the granite embankment
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Casey viaduct above a train on the embankment
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Trolley under embankment with casey overpass above
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1986 before trench construction.
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Loving all these pictures of the embankment and Forest Hills, but we have wandered way off topic. Perhaps a mod can split out these posts, so we can get back to parcel P-3?
 
Bonus pic I have never seen. Here's a rendering of forest hills if the highway project had happened. The casey overpass is the bridge going east west over the highway. Not only was there 8 lanes of highway, but also 8 lanes of frontage roads.
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Absolute insanity here. Thank god they didn't build that.
 

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