New-build classical architecture (evoking old styles)

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Renderings Reveal RAMSA Redevelopment Of 800 Fifth Avenue On Manhattan’s Upper East Side​

The proposed redevelopment for 800 Fifth Avenue. Designed by Robert A. M. Stern Architects.

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Brooklyn Law School Tower​

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Brooklyn Law School Tower — Robert A.M. Stern Architects, LLP

The new campanile-like tower provides the ninety-year-old school with expanded facilities and an image more appropriate to its long history and growing reputation. Located directly across from the recently renovated Brooklyn Borough Hall (Gamaliel Kin...
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250 West 81st Street​

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250 West 81st Street — Robert A.M. Stern Architects, LLP

This 18-story residential building at the corner of Broadway and 81st Street in the heart of the Upper West Side takes inspiration from the pre-war architecture of its historic neighbors with setback terraces and limestone and brick facades. A two-stor...
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1228 Madison Avenue​

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One thing that sucks is we missed out other than a couple mid rises on the whole first art deco wave. Now besides liberty mutual were missing out on the second one too. Nyc probably is up to 25 new art deco towers in total. We really should be trying to get at least 1-2 more. The area around td garden could really use one.
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I see similarities between 800 Fifth Avenue and the South Flagler House development under construction in WPB, also designed by RASMA:
Frisbie Group And Hines Officially Launch Sales For South Flagler House In West Palm Beach
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Are there any other cities actually getting these neo–Art Deco high-rises? I can’t think of many. It’s a shame, as you noted, because the style is genuinely timeless without tipping into gimmickry. My guess is that cost is a major barrier—which is probably why most of the new residential examples are clustered on the UES and UWS, where the economics can support that level of detail.

Boston might be missing out for another reason, too: unlike New York, it never really had a strong Art Deco residential tradition to draw from. Without that architectural lineage, developers here seem less inclined to take the risk on something that isn’t already part of the local vocabulary.
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Yea the post above is one example modified for south beach. If you look on the RAMSA site its 90% nyc 5% china and then 1% a couple different cities across the us. Boston got liberty mutual, minneapolis got eleven, philly got the alexander, chicago got 2-3 from different firms, vietnam is getting a couple art deco college campuses with towers, theres a couple in Hong Kong, then a few scattered across china.

There REALLY should be more being built across the us, especially in the cities that got missed the first time.
 
The biggest surprise to me is that Miami isn’t drawing more from its tropical Art Deco and MiMo roots. It’s one of the few cities with a truly distinctive architectural lineage, yet the majority of new development seems content to blend into a generic glass-tower mold rather than evolve that heritage into something contemporary and compelling.
 
Very nice adaptive reuse and expansion of a former church in brooklyn. This is the way to do it right imo, it comes out much better when they build the tower out of a similar material to the base vs just slapping a glass box on top. Now instead of just looking like a church with a playstation 2 on top of it, it actually looks like a single amazing building with an epic base that was always meant to look like this. Hopefully this inspires more examples across the country. Nyc is really doing a great job of building many different styles vs just all glass everything like so many cities still do. If they use good quality materials this is going to turn out absolutely incredible.

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The way the vertical lines of the base continue through the tower is the way to do it right.
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stick n move said:
Very nice adaptive reuse and expansion of a former church in brooklyn. This is the way to do it right imo, it comes out much better when they build the tower out of a similar material to the base vs just slapping a glass box on top. Now instead of just looking like a church with a playstation 2 on top of it, it actually looks like a single amazing building with an epic base that was always meant to look like this. Hopefully this inspires more examples across the country. Nyc is really doing a great job of building many different styles vs just all glass everything like so many cities still do. If they use good quality materials this is going to turn out absolutely incredible.

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Woulda, shoulda, coulda built a taller version of that over South Station.
 
stick n move said:
Very nice adaptive reuse and expansion of a former church in brooklyn
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The Mega Lucas

At least in the renderings, the congruent materials makes the facadectomy much less conspicuous, whereas the Lucas, while not terrible, kind of has a cyborg effect. Makes me wonder how the Lucas would've turned out with a stone or light brick facade.
 
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stick n move said:
Very nice adaptive reuse and expansion of a former church in brooklyn. This is the way to do it right imo....
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I agree completely from a materials standpoint. However, this totally crowds out the far superior historical tower next door. While it's contextual and nothing like the abomination proposed for Kansas City (below), beautiful historical towers deserve at least a little bit of air.

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I agree completely from a materials standpoint. However, this totally crowds out the far superior historical tower next door. While it's contextual and nothing like the abomination proposed for Kansas City (below), beautiful historical towers deserve at least a little bit of air.

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That one in KC is horrible next to the old tower.
 
stick n move said:
Very nice adaptive reuse and expansion of a former church in brooklyn. This is the way to do it right imo, it comes out much better when they build the tower out of a similar material to the base vs just slapping a glass box on top. Now instead of just looking like a church with a playstation 2 on top of it, it actually looks like a single amazing building with an epic base that was always meant to look like this. Hopefully this inspires more examples across the country. Nyc is really doing a great job of building many different styles vs just all glass everything like so many cities still do. If they use good quality materials this is going to turn out absolutely incredible.

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IMO, this one is actually trying a little too hard. Yes, it looks good in context with the church, but I actually think, for once, that the complex roofline is not doing it any favors. I counted 10 stepbacks - that's too many for its proportions. Here, I think the middle 3, accommodating the top 2 floors and the mechanical penthouse? That's whats visually crowding the tan buildings spire, and it would look more visually consistent if it were flat at the plane where the neighbors spire begins.

Also, while the red brick is very contextual to its base, I think this would likely aesthetically look better if it took context from its neighbor, instead - if it were tan brick, and matching the step backs of that building, it would "blend" to its neighbor, look like it was always there, especially with the similar windows layouts.
 
More renders have come out showing just how lopsided the white house is going to look if this ballroom gets built.

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-I think it looked better before the grand staircase was added. Its not a public ballroom so theres no need for a grand entrance, plus it distracts from the white house. A grand staircase shouldnt be on a building off to the side of the main building, it looks weird. Something like that only looks good centrally located. It looks good on its own but as a part of the larger building it distracts from the main white house building imo.

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Also the 3 options for the arch have been released, of which one will supposedly be chosen at some point

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Donald Trump’s New Arch Is Exactly As Tacky As Everyone Expected

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-I dont necessarily hate the general concept of either proposal in a vacuum, a new white house ballroom and a triumphal arch for the 250th anniversary of the usa, I just dont like how huge either one is and by that how out of scale they are. The ballroom completely ruins the balance of the white house.

If they shrank it in size, got rid of the 3rd floor, and hid it behind some trees/shrubs like the old east wing I think it would have been ok (outside the very sketchy funding sources that definitely come with strings attached). I hope if this thing does eventually get built they shrink it in scale. If not then what options will we have going forward, expand the west wing to match? I couldnt see it being left as is completely lopsided like that.

As far as the arch I dont hate it, but cut the size down by half and actually make it a 250th anniversary monument without any mention of trump and itd be ok. If we have no choice and theyre both going to get built, they need to at least do it tactfully. Best case scenario is probably just that these projects drag on until the end of the term without being built.
 
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stick n move said:
I dont necessarily hate the general concept of either proposal in a vacuum, a new white house ballroom and a triumphal arch for the 250th anniversary of the usa, I just dont like how huge either one is and by that how out of scale they are. The ballroom completely ruins the balance of the white house.

If they shrank it in size, got rid of the 3rd floor, and hid it behind some trees/shrubs like the old east wing I think it would have been ok (outside the very sketchy funding sources that definitely come with strings attached). I hope if this thing does eventually get built they shrink it in scale. If not then what options will we have going forward, expand the west wing to match? I couldnt see it being left as is completely lopsided like that.

As far as the arch I dont hate it, but cut the size down by half and actually make it a 250th anniversary monument without any mention of trump and itd be ok. If we have no choice and theyre both going to get built, they need to at least do it tactfully. Best case scenario is probably just that these projects drag on until the end of the term without being built.
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This is the most level-headed take on this whole situation I've seen posted anywhere. Congrats @stick n move!

The under-the-cover-of-night demolition of the East Wing without notice was an absolute disgrace, but now that we're here it does make sense to tastefully and tactfully build a replacement. These renders ain't it, but there is potential to land on something reasonable.
 
I attended a WH event many years ago while living in DC and while I can understand the appeal of a “grand ballroom” the tented evenings on the South Land all dressed up with chandeliers beyond the East Wing were genuinely magical.I don't see a way that this hall can replicate that interplay between the architecture and landscape. But it can erase it.
 
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stick n move said:
More renders have come out showing just how lopsided the white house is going to look if this ballroom gets built.

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This monstrosity totally dwarfs the White House and throws it out of balance. What absolutely astounds me is that this building could happen without a Section 106 review required by law in the National Historic Preservation Act (NHPA) of 1966. Section 106 requires Federal agencies to evaluate the effects of a project on historic properties, which in this case is the White House. Agencies must consult with State Historic Preservation Officers (SHPOs) and other stakeholders to avoid, minimize, or mitigate adverse effects before finalizing project decisions. None of this was done.
 
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Pretty wild, some monks are building a massive gothic convent out in the middle of wyoming.

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Carmelite Monks: Men's Cloistered Monastery

Carmelite Monks of Wyoming monastery of men live the cloistered charism of the Marian and ancient monastic life by the primitive Carmelite Rule.
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Carmelite Monks Near Meeteetse Use Modern Tech To Build Gothic Monastery

A group of Carmelite monks in the mountains near Meeteetse, Wyoming, are building a Gothic monastery using cutting-edge technology. They’ve adapted…
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