Dedham Infill and Small Developments

I mean, at least there is walkability to the mall... :/
 
HenryAlan said:
And a 12/18 minute walk to bus/train.
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Guess that's what the parking spots are for.

(This is where I mention that the cheapest unit available between the two complexes that is closer to Dedham Corp Center is pushing $2800, although there are a couple 2 bedrooms for "only" a couple hundred more. Figure if this is built, they will be asking more)
 
0.8 miles to Dedham Corporate. 0.5 mile walk to Star Market. An even shorter walk to a super market (Whole Foods) and other retail. Compared to what other towns have within a mile or so of their commuter rail stations, this is a pretty good project.
 

124 Quabish​

“The Avenue is a proposed Mixed-Use Development consisting of three separate buildings with ~440,000 gross square feet of total floor area. It contains ~22,000 gross square feet of first-floor retail space and 293 residential apartment units.

The residents will enjoy some awesome amenities such as a pool, bocce court, putting green, golf simulator, fitness room, yoga room, co-working space, lounge with café, top-floor clubroom with a sports lounge, kitchen area and roof deck, car-washing station, an on-site dog-run, dog-wash rooms, community vegetable garden, and secured indoor bike storage. This project is located in Dedham, MA and is just a stone’s throw away from the popular shopping and dining destination, Legacy Place and Dedham Corporate Center Train Station.”

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https://embarcdesign.com/project/124-quabish/#forward
 

Early Stage Plans Presented for Mixed-Use Tech Campus on 57-Acre Site in Dedham​


“Early-stage plans have been presented for the development of a 57-acre site at the intersection of Routes 128/135 in Dedham. The team is aiming to create a Tough Tech campus offering a setting for users to live, work, play & sleep. Two different development scenarios were shown, the first offering 400K SF lab space, 470K SF R&D, and 644 residential units. The second option would retain the same unit count and lab square footage but cut 100K SF from the R&D space in favor of a hotel.”


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Early Stage Plans Presented for Mixed-Use Tech Campus on 57-Acre Site in Dedham

Early Stage Plans Presented for Mixed-Use Tech Campus on 57-Acre Site in Dedham
www.bldup.com www.bldup.com
 
This is great. On a grander scale, about Dedham, does anyone have insight about how and why Dedham is so underdeveloped for a town so close to Boston? I imagine lots of nimbyism for sure, amongst infrastructure being poorly connected, not a great highway connection, and lots of single family housing? It only has like 26k people IIRC.
 
FK4 said:
Surprised that there isn’t a thread for Dedham. I don’t have pics but saw two different large-appearing projects on Washington, near the Dedham-Boston line. Figured I’d mention.
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I’m amazed there was no thread for Dedham until I started this one in 2022, and I’m amazed at how little activity it’s had in the last three years. Sure says a lot about the town’s restrictive and anti-development policies, I guess.
stick n move said:

75-125 Stergis Way ​

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150+ Unit Multifamily Proposed Near Legacy Place in Dedham​


“Norblom Company is planning a 4-story multifamily building at 75-125 Stergis Way adjacent to Legacy Place. The developer would demolish the existing commercial buildings on the site and construct a new development to include 154 apartments with 241 off-street parking spaces. Units would be primarily a mix of 1 & 2 bedrooms with 23 units designated affordable.”


https://www.bldup.com/posts/150-unit-multifamily-proposed-near-legacy-place-in-dedham

Judging by the render it appears to be this building and the similar one diagonally down from it and to the left.
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Also hilarious how the render shows Wigwam Pond as a crystal blue river but the aerial shows it to be a duckweed-filled near-swamp.
 
What the hell is going on here:
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That's wider than many of the highest-trafficked sections of 90, 93, and 95.

And it doesn't even include the frontage road (parallel to the east) that actually serves all the businesses along that stretch. And this design limits your ability to take a left out of any of these businesses (or turn into them when traveling southbound) resulting in extra driving and extra U-turns.

This is essentially a super-highway connecting two congested intersections a mile and a half apart. If there's a section of road more in need of diet anywhere in greater Boston, I can't think of it.
 
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JumboBuc said:
What the hell is going on here:
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That's wider than many of the highest-trafficked sections of 90, 93, and 95.

And it doesn't even include the frontage road (parallel to the east) that actually serves all the businesses along that stretch. And this design limits your ability to take a left out of any of these businesses (or turn into them when traveling southbound) resulting in extra driving and extra U-turns.

This is essentially a super-highway connecting two congested intersections a mile and a half apart. If there's a section of road more in need of diet anywhere in greater Boston, I can't think of it.
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a light so that you can bang a u-ey to get to popeyes faster
 
DAVE said:
a light so that you can bang a u-ey to get to popeyes faster
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Hey! I've also used it to get home from pet supplies plus faster.

That aside, the need for this u-ey is only present because it's a 4 lane separated highway, this thing could easily be knocked down to a 2 lane regular road and be just fine capacity wise.

The density is weird here, you've got a big new apartment development to the north of the original picture up there right next to Boston's only trailer park, but also a bevy of auto centric drive throughs and plazas. Plus you can see one side of this is just Charles River marshland, that's never going to densify. I'm really not convinced this would be the best use of resources for a road diet, surely there's roads with bigger upside for a diet than this one.
 
DAVE said:
a light so that you can bang a u-ey to get to popeyes faster
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Nah - if you want a light to bang a u-ey you can just... add a light to bang a u-ey. You don't need to add a light plus four full on jughandle lanes, all separated by enormous asphalt medians.

See for example just a little bit south of this on a much more developed section of the same road in Dedham where you have the same stop light u-turn functionality in less than half of the roadway width. And this standard four-way-stop-with-turning lanes intersection is even more functional because it serves four directions rather than 2. Note that the monster jughandle thing in my first post doesn't even provide access to the frontage road, so if you're trying to get in or out of that car wash or storage facility or Ocean State Job Lot to the east you're SOL.
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The Boston portion of this road north of this has straight up u-ey sections without lights that also require way less space, and that's with a proper parkway tree-lined median.
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Chickenman said:
Hey! I've also used it to get home from pet supplies plus faster.

That aside, the need for this u-ey is only present because it's a 4 lane separated highway, this thing could easily be knocked down to a 2 lane regular road and be just fine capacity wise.

The density is weird here, you've got a big new apartment development to the north of the original picture up there right next to Boston's only trailer park, but also a bevy of auto centric drive throughs and plazas. Plus you can see one side of this is just Charles River marshland, that's never going to densify. I'm really not convinced this would be the best use of resources for a road diet, surely there's roads with bigger upside for a diet than this one.
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There's a clear divide here (note the dotted red line in my first post) exactly at the Boston - Dedham border. The VFW Parkway section in Boston is FAR from perfect, but when you cross the line into Dedham it gets 100 times worse. In Boston you can directly pull in and out of the newer apartment building, car dealers, pet supplies plus, etc.. In Dedham the superhighway only serves through traffic, and the businesses are served by a separate frontage road with only a few limited connections to the main road.

Boston also has development on the west side while Dedham does not, and marshland can't explain it unless that follows municipal boundaries exactly.

The Dedham portion literally has sections with wider asphalt than runway 14/32 at Logan.
 
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JumboBuc said:
There's a clear divide here (note the dotted red line in my first post) exactly at the Boston - Dedham border. The VFW Parkway section in Boston is FAR from perfect, but when you cross the line into Dedham it gets 100 times worse. In Boston you can directly pull in and out of the newer apartment building, car dealers, pet supplies plus, etc.. In Dedham the superhighway only serves through traffic, and the businesses are served by a separate frontage road with only a few limited connections to the main road.

Boston also has development on the west side while Dedham does not, and marshland can't explain it unless that follows municipal boundaries exactly.

The Dedham portion literally has sections with wider asphalt than runway 14/32 at Logan.
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Sure? I'm not saying any of it is good. Maybe Boston drained some wetlands back in the day for development, but there's no way you could really do that now on the Dedham side from an environmental standpoint so it doesn't really matter. I'm just saying that yeah, this is a pretty bad case of car sewer, but there's better opportunities for road diet/redesign than this (Rutherford Ave, etc).
palindrome said:
I love when I can time it perfectly so I can use the turn lane as a bypass to the red light there.
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Ah yes, love it when I can't get to the u-ey because there's a stream of cars bypassing the light and I have to wait for the next one. You know what, I take it back, road diet this shit yesterday.
 
DAVE said:
a light so that you can bang a u-ey to get to popeyes faster
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I grew up over here. Back then you'd do it to get to the good McDonald's on the east side (across from the smaller one on the west side).


palindrome said:
I love when I can time it perfectly so I can use the turn lane as a bypass to the red light there.
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One of my first learned driving skills.
 
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