⚫ Four Seasons Tower @ CSC | 1 Dalton Street | Back Bay

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Fantastic shots. I think by the time Thousand Boylston & Chiofaro/Central Wharf got up,
demand would have met their schedules/supply deliveries.
Copley Tower should have been coming on line sometime next year,
Thousand Boylston in late 2023, and Chiofaro about 2027-45 (give or take).
 

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I wonder if this is why new glass takes so long:

“This grey glass, which is only produced in California, has to be shipped to Europe and combined with clear glass layers from Spain and Hungary before being shipped again to Toronto, Canada. There, the glass is installed into curtain wall frames, which act as the building’s non-structural covering. Then, the curtain walls are trucked to Boston for installation.”
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Stayed in a suite last night, nice finishes but room layout was super awkward and view was blocked by a huge TV in the middle of the curved glass. Bathroom has no privacy, just a drop down shear which was super awkward. Walked the meeting space which is way undersized for the hotel. Nice job on breakout rooms but the main ballroom blows. Hotel still feels very much under construction, bar isn’t open (except for the Japanese place on the 2nd floor). Can’t see this thing doing well long term when mandarin is priced competitively and has better location and meeting space so ultimately who stays at the hotel if there’s no real demand driver? Separately have heard they’ve only sold like 40 condos so good luck with the rest - nice view but weird location. Good luck Carpenter and Co. My $0.02.
It is a rather odd triangular shaped building primarily because of the footprint of the site. I wondered if that would be a challenge when designing the interior. I would think there would be wasted space or better said, awkward layouts because of shape. Anyone know of other triangular buildings? None come to mind.

I recall walking by there many times, well before construction, and the site just didn't seem to justify a building of that size (700'). There is no perimeter at all.
 

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A main reason for the hotel may be to provide amenities for the condo residences. In reviewing designs for another Four Seasons residences, I came to realize the residents don't cook their own meals, or drive their own cars, and they don't order from DoorDash.

Only 40 of 160 units sold? That's going to put a damper on developers seeking to finance high end, luxe residences in Boston. Here's looking at you Mr. Fish, and Mr. Chiofaro.
40 units have closed, another 90 or so are under agreement and scheduled to close, so 30 units left, pretty impressive and certainly encouraging for other luxe developments.
 

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Anyone know of other triangular buildings? None come to mind.
Flatiron Building, Transamerica Pyramid, Ryugyong Hotel, Dominion Building, Torre Reforma, Triangle Tower (Paris), Opal Tower (very similar profile to 1 Dalton, just shorter/fatter), Demonico's, etc etc...
 

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Great list! Isn't Devon Tower triangular-ish??
Not able to look, as i'm in the Wasatch Natl Forest & extremely low bandwidth.
 

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Transamerica pyramid has 4 sides. Its triangular in the opposite way that this is. This has a triangular floor plate with a flat roof, transamerica has a triangular silhouette where all 4 sides lean into a singular point at the roof.
 

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Transamerica pyramid has 4 sides. Its triangular in the opposite way that this is. This has a triangular floor plate with a flat roof, transamerica has a triangular silhouette where all 4 sides lean into a singular point at the roof.
very good point. of the others in my list (which i think *do* qualify as truly triangular), opal tower is most like 1 dalton with respect to footprint. hopefully 1 dalton has a less dramatic early life.
 

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Flatiron Building, Transamerica Pyramid, Ryugyong Hotel, Dominion Building, Torre Reforma, Triangle Tower (Paris), Opal Tower (very similar profile to 1 Dalton, just shorter/fatter), Demonico's, etc etc...
Can't speak to all of these, but the Transamerica Pyramid is four sided. It tapers upward so is triangular from a vertical standpoint, but the individual floor plates are square shaped. And flat irons are narrow isosceles triangles that act more like a rectangle in terms of space configuration. The 60/60/60 shape to the Four Seasons is pretty uncommon.
 

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40 units have closed, another 90 or so are under agreement and scheduled to close, so 30 units left, pretty impressive and certainly encouraging for other luxe developments.
i don't believe they've had 40 closings yet, if you look at mass land records it looks thinner than that. I had heard it was a total of 40 units sold (inclusive of presales / UA), hadn't heard anything about a large chunk of other units being under agreement.
 

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It is a rather odd triangular shaped building primarily because of the footprint of the site. I wondered if that would be a challenge when designing the interior. I would think there would be wasted space or better said, awkward layouts because of shape. Anyone know of other triangular buildings? None come to mind.

I recall walking by there many times, well before construction, and the site just didn't seem to justify a building of that size (700'). There is no perimeter at all.
the main ballroom is in a really awkward space and frankly isn't that nice - the prefunction room feels bigger than the ballroom itself. I guess maybe it works for small meetings but i can't see it being a real screamer for group business. and yea, the bedroom feels really awkward with the curve - not sure how i would have oriented it differently (maybe a pop up tv or something) but the view is what you are really getting out of it and it felt kind of cluttered.
 

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^Oh ok I was wondering if we just couldnt see the shades in the windows, but theyre just not there yet higher up. They add that final human touch that makes a building look lived in.
 

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i don't believe they've had 40 closings yet, if you look at mass land records it looks thinner than that. I had heard it was a total of 40 units sold (inclusive of presales / UA), hadn't heard anything about a large chunk of other units being under agreement.
55 units have closed as of last week, there are another 70 or so under agreement, probably waiting for the TCO's to move up the building.
 

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What is the holdup with finishing the ground level?!?! It's insane how zero progress is being made. At this rate we're going to have another winter with no sidewalk on that side again.
 

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