585 Commercial St | North End

Maybe it was just the lousy newspaper printing but in the rendering in today's Herald, the "New York" styled building looked a lot like Tremont on the Common, complete with rows of balconies. The more "Boston" building actually looked better (but that's not saying much). Does anyone have full color renderings of either of these?
 
For those interested, a BRA meeting regarding this project will be held Jan. 9 from 6:30pm to 8:30pm at the Nazzaro Community Center, 30 North Bennet Street.

I added this event to the calendar HERE as well.
 
Banker & Tradesman said:
Scaled-Down Project Doesn?t Satisfy Everyone in North End
By Thomas Grillo
Reporter

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Rendering courtesy Neshamkin French Architects
A controversial waterfront condominium project has been proposed for 585 Commercial St. in Boston?s North End. Many neighborhood residents still oppose the plan despite the fact that it has been reduced in height.

Despite reducing the height of its proposed waterfront condominium facility in Boston?s North End, the project?s development team faced angry residents at a public hearing last week.

?The North End does not need any more luxury condos,? said Stephanie Hogue. ?What this community needs is more open space.?

Hogue was one of dozens of residents who packed the Nazzaro Community Center to hear revised plans for 585 Commercial St. Gilchrest Assoc. plans to raze the site?s three-level, steel-and-concrete facility built in the 1940s. In its place would be a 6-story, brick-and-glass building featuring 68 one- and two-bedroom condominiums, a health club, marina, 148 parking underground parking spaces and public access to Boston Harbor.

Boston?s best-known Italian neighborhood has become the latest battleground over gentrification, a phenomenon that often pits new, wealthier property owners against longtime residents who are sometimes displaced. While the North End has been undergoing changes for two decades, the removal of the Central Artery elevated highway to make way for the Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy Greenway has attracted newer, more affluent residents who some say have diluted traditional immigrant families.

The crowd was split over the project. While many longtime North Enders opposed further development, newer residents spoke just as passionately in favor.

Karen Peters, a Commercial Street resident, said the development site is unkempt, dangerous and one of the few areas along the harbor where she won?t walk.

?We?re talking about the biggest eyesore in the neighborhood and this proposal is a welcome addition,? she said. ?We should work with this developer to make it happen ? the overall support in the community is much stronger than what?s in this room.?

James Re, another Commercial Street resident, said the proposal is a vast improvement for Commercial Street. ?The existing building and the parking lot are ugly,? he said. ?In exchange for that, the neighborhood will get an attractive building. It seems to me that it?s a no-brainer and that it?s a good thing for the neighborhood. Even the opponents acknowledge that the building?s design is a beautiful design. I?m all for it.?


The $50 million development has been controversial from the start. In 2006, Gilchrest Assoc. purchased the property near the Steriti Memorial Rink and the North Washington Street Bridge for $10.1 million. That year, the Boston-based developer proposed an 85-foot-tall, or 8-story, project that included a restaurant and a private marina.

But after residents opposed the scale, Gilchrest and its architect, Neshamkin French Architects, lowered it to 55 feet, the height allowed by zoning. The developers also dropped plans for a restaurant because neighbors argued that an eatery would bring more cars and noise to the already congested district. In addition, the team agreed to provide a public landing on the waterfront with an accessible fishing dock.

?As architects, we like to work with the neighborhood and design a building that is community-friendly and will eventually be embraced by residents,? said architect John W. French during the tense two-hour-plus meeting.

?Common Sense?

Still, many residents remain opposed to the project. David Kubiak, a neighborhood activist, expressed dismay over what he called the project?s ?privatization of public parkland? because the parcel is adjacent to land managed by the state Department of Recreation and Conservation. He insisted that many people at the hearing do not want the building constructed, but favor development at the nearby Bulfinch Triangle.

?The existing building makes no sense and should never have been built and common sense says that you don?t make it any bigger than it is,? Kubiak said. ?I don?t understand why we have not had a discussion about the full implications of zoning changes at this site. The architectural renderings are beautiful and if this were somewhere else, it might be a great project.?

Sandy Lopez, a North End resident, noted that the footprint of the building is still twice the size of the original structure. She reminded the crowd that the developer is seeking permission from the Boston Redevelopment Authority to exceed the density allowed by zoning regulations.

?We already have lots of density and high-priced condominiums going up in the North End. Why would we want more?? she asked. ?It?s an absolutely beautiful building. Why not put it in a place where there?s a debilitated waterfront and does not impact the neighborhood the way it does here??

Susan Benveniste, another neighborhood resident, noted that the BRA appears to change longstanding zoning regulations to accommodate a developer?s request.

?Boston gives out zoning variances like candy,? she said. ?It?s never based on need; it?s based on profit. The city is not being responsible for adhering to the zoning they put in place.?

Kristen Kara, the BRA?s project manager, reminded residents that the agency will accept comments on the proposal until Wednesday, Feb 6. She also noted that the city has not yet made a decision on whether to approve the project.

At least one city official favors the plan: Mayor Thomas M. Menino.

?I think the project meets the height requirements and I don?t see any other problems,? Menino told Banker & Tradesman. ?They brought it down to within the height requirements and it?s probably right.?
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So, it is within the height requirement ... sounds like the neighbors should zip it!

(Apparently, though, still too dense, unfortunately ...)

Also, ridiculous number of parking spaces ... or did the developer want them?
 
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If the proposed building's footprint is twice as large as the existing structure, does that mean it will encroach on land that is now used as park (even if privately owned)?

It is a historic oddity that a private structure exists on this side of the street at all. Everything else is actively-used public parkland -- tennis courts, bocce courts, basketball courts, baseball fields, swimming pool, skating rink, and Harborwalk.

We haven't heard from North End resident '55low' in a while. Please come forward and tell us your opinion of this project.

With any luck, the Romney for President campaign will close up shop here in a few weeks.
 
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I live right around the corner from the proposed site and I must say that like one of the women quoted in the article - it is the most sullen, stark, 'dangerous' (heh) area for walking along the water. I think I've found about 4 needles around the playground near the site. It's not like the developer is coming in and proposing a huge change. Though it is a step further into promoting more affluent individuals (and families,) into the area, it should be welcomed. It's a pretty nice building and should help to liven things up a bit along the waterfront. As long as development is monitored closely in the area, the upheaval of long-time residents shouldn't be as much of a problem - or at least that's what I think. While it is important to embrace the old it is also an important task if not duty to focus on change and improvement as well. The world afterall is a dynamic place.
 
Everyone on both sides probably agrees that the existing structure is not an asset to the neighborhood. Any development here would displace zero residents, since nobody lives in the current building.
 
If the proposed building's footprint is twice as large as the existing structure, does that mean it will encroach on land that is now used as park (even if privately owned)?

It is a historic oddity that a private structure exists on this side of the street at all. Everything else is actively-used public parkland -- tennis courts, bocce courts, baseball fields, swimming pool, skating rink, and Harborwalk.

Google Maps shows a small parking lot next door. It also showed tennis courts being used as a parking lot besides that, and then road.

Id think the building would extend away from the parks towards the street corner. I think it would go well there.

Its other neighbor is the skating rink.

Ive been there at night to skate. Iys very lonely, and a residential thing would do the street well.
 
I'm not sure why Google maps shows cars parked on the tennis courts -- that is definitely not a normal situation. The tennis courts were closed for a while due to construction, but they're open again now.

Does the parking lot serve the building, or the tennis courts?
 
?The North End does not need any more luxury condos,? said Stephanie Hogue. ?What this community needs is more open space.?

?????????? Too bad we can't go back to the 18th century and create some needed open space in the North End. The beauty of the North End is that it is closest thing in the US that represents a beautiful dense city in Italy. And furthermore, the North End is now almost completely surrounded by 2 large parks. What a ludicrous statement. Fortunately Ms Peters has the right idea.

?As architects, we like to work with the neighborhood and design a building that is community-friendly and will eventually be embraced by residents,? said architect John W. French during the tense two-hour-plus meeting.

Careful what you say in this town. You might just get what you wished for.

So, it is within the height requirement ... sounds like the neighbors should zip it!

(Apparently, though, still too dense, unfortunately ...)

Jimbo, you will appreciate this one...
Agness Skinner: "I want you to put everything in one bag, BUT I don't want the bag to be heavy".
 
Too bad we can't go back to the 18th century and create some needed open space in the North End.

Well, that was actually done. The Paul Revere Mall (aka Prado) didn't grow up organically in the colonial North End street grid. It was built in 1933 as a result of what today we might call "slum clearance" or "urban renewal". Several blocks of houses were removed to create it, because the city government at the time felt the North End was too congested and needed open space. If it looks like an Italian piazza, that's only because it was consciously built to look like that.
 
585 Commercial - one of the ugliest buildings in the North End - as seen from Charlestown. It is the concrete, boxy building on the water, next to the long skating rink.

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I think this group has gone about the marketing/branding/PR of this project wrong, which is too bad, because the redevelopment would make a great waterfront addition to that area.
 
Something will eventually be built there, but it may have to be a different developer. This one started out on the wrong foot by initially proposing to violate the 55-foot height limit.

Until a few weeks ago, this was the headquarters of Romney for President.
 
Something will eventually be built there, but it may have to be a different developer. This one started out on the wrong foot by initially proposing to violate the 55-foot height limit.

Until a few weeks ago, this was the headquarters of Romney for President.

They should put up a statue or at least a plaque.
 
Considering the 'neighborhood' at this spot is an ugly parking garage and a surface parking area dug out from the hill (also ugly). Why are people protesting a project that will improve this area?
 
Because a majority of the elders in the North End & long time residents don't want to lose their view & park space to a private residence. I agree with a previous poster in stating that the developer started off on the wrong foot with planning above the zoning height restrictions. Give it another try with a different approach and community canvassing and I think they might have some more luck. I live around the corner from the building and right across from the garage and both surely are eye sores. I don't care about Brinks but would love to see something new go in at 585.
 
I think we need a new category for archiving projects that are dead. We can put this one there. 585 Commercial is dead, dead, dead.

Developer axes North End condo complex plan
By Scott Van Voorhis
Saturday, April 19, 2008

A developer with hopes of transforming a North End furniture store into the neighborhood?s next residential hotspot is calling it quits.

Local builder Byron Gilchrest recently informed City Hall and state regulators that he is suspending plans to turn 585 Commercial St. into a luxury condo project, with units starting at $1 million.

Instead, Gilchrest said yesterday he has put the building, the one-time home of Roche-Bobois and more recently the headquarters of former Gov. Mitt Romney?s presidential campaign, on the sales block.

The decision to pull the plug, first reported in the North End News, comes after two years of community battles and even more plan changes.

In the end, Gilchrest said his investors had simply had enough. But not before mounting a major effort that included a high-powered team featuring a former city councilor and the fund-raising chief for House Speaker Sal DiMasi (D-North End).

?We kept trying to change the plan to see if we could get acceptance,? Gilchrest said. ?We spent two years. There was so much time and effort involved and during that time the market changed.?

In his letter to city and state officials, Gilchrest cited the ?current economic downturn and industry-related issues.?

But problems dogged the project almost from the start.

Gilchrest?s initial proposal in 2006 called for adding another 30 feet to the top of 585 Commercial St. But pushing the height to 85 feet stirred controversy in a neighborhood proud of its human scale and historic buildings.

City officials and DiMasi came out against the added height.

Undaunted, Gilchrest came back a year later with a whole new proposal, one that scrapped the original project?s glass-and-steel facade for red brick with a design reminiscent of Rowes Wharf. It also proposed swapping the site for nearby state parkland and creating a marina.

That didn?t fly either.

Gilchrest?s final proposal called for a more modest, six-story project on the original site.

But state environmental regulators rejected that plan, arguing it did not leave enough open space on the site.

http://www.bostonherald.com/business/real_estate/view.bg?articleid=1088149
 
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Oh Boston, how hard you try to be a backwater, even though next development cycle something better will be built here...
 
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Communication Mess Mires Condo Project :BRA Says North End Proposal Slated for Revision; Developer Insists No Changes Are Being Planned

By Thomas Grillo
Banker & Tradesman

A proposal for this 61-unit condominium development in Boston?s North End has the developer at odds with the Boston Redevelopment Authority.

He said, she said.

Boston?s planning agency maintains the developer of a controversial 5-story condominium development in Boston?s North End is expected to revise the project. But the builder says he is not contemplating any changes.

A development team headed by Steven Fustolo hopes to replace a parking lot at 30 North Margin St. with 61 condominiums. The building would include a four-level automated underground garage for 243 cars. But at a hearing last month, opponents argued that more cars would overwhelm already-jammed streets in the close-knit neighborhood. Abutters also said that digging 37 feet below grade to create the parking facility would exacerbate the depletion of groundwater and threaten nearby homes.

Kristin Kara, the Boston Redevelopment Authority?s project director, declined to be interviewed. In an e-mail, a BRA spokeswoman said, ?It is our understanding that the developer is revising the project given the feedback that they heard at the community meeting ? Once we have been notified that the developer is ready to present the revisions to the community, we will schedule a community meeting and set the comment period deadline two weeks from the date of that meeting.?

But Fustolo insisted he never told the BRA that his team was revising the project.

?We have not decided whether to make any changes,? he said. ?I don?t want to say there was some sort of error in communication, but that?s not where we are at this time. I?m not trying to be evasive, but I don?t know where the BRA got that from. We are waiting until the comment period ends and then we?ll decide how to proceed.?

Typically, the BRA provides a comment period for abutters and interested parties to advise the city about a development. In this case, the time for letters has been extended indefinitely.

While many residents favor redevelopment of the unsightly parking lot at North Margin and Stillman streets, they insist that two parking spaces per condo, as well as 121 commercial spaces, are too many for the neighborhood.

?We are not against reasonable development,? said Pasqua Scibelli, who owns a two-bedroom condominium on nearby Wiget Street. ?But many of us don?t understand why a 61-unit development needs so many parking spaces. Why does a studio need two spaces? This is a very congested neighborhood and many residents do not even own a car.?

In addition to parking issues, Scibelli said many property owners are worried about the impact of below-ground construction on nearby homes.

?We are concerned because if the new construction causes hundreds of thousands of dollars damage to our building, the developer will be long gone and we will have to pay for it ourselves,? she said. ?The city has to take this seriously and, in the long run, the city has to make sure the developer does the right thing.?

While many residents said they could support a smaller project with fewer parking spaces, there was concern that digging so deep could threaten the foundations of nearby homes.

?Lots of Density?
House Speaker Salvatore DiMasi, whose district includes the North End, opposes the project, in part because of concern about excavation for the building. The Big Dig weakened the foundations of many dwellings during 16 years of construction, according to a spokesman for the speaker.

?We are waiting for the project developer to come back with their revised proposal,? said David Guarino in an e-mail from DiMasi?s office. ?Once we see it, we may be able to comment further.?

The North Margin Street project is not the only one that has raised objections in the historic neighborhood. Earlier this month, Gilchrest Assoc. abandoned plans to demolish the three-level, steel-and-concrete facility at 585 Commercial St. and replace it with a 6-story, brick-and-glass building. The waterfront project would have featured 68 one- and two-bedroom condominiums, a health club, marina and 148 parking underground parking spaces.

While there was some support to replace the run-down building, dozens of North End residents opposed the $50 million development because they said it was too dense and too tall. Some homeowners objected to what they called the ?privatization? of public parkland because the parcel is adjacent to open space managed by the state Department of Recreation and Conservation. Others said the neighborhood needs a larger workforce and more affordable housing.

?We already have lots of density and high-priced condominiums going up in the North End. Why would we want more?? said Sandy Lopez, a neighborhood resident.

Yes, why would we want that, Ms Lopez, you twit.

And, Mr DiMasi? About the Big Dig unsettling the land? So what are you saying, Boston can never see construction ever again, because of this?
 

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