Silver Line - Phase III / BRT in Boston

Not sure where to put this. This comes from Chelsea City Manager Jay Ash's 2/11 "Inside Scoop"

2. The Inside Scoop is meant to provide you with some “you heard it here first” moments. Well…here’s one. I had a preliminary discussion this past week with a senior ranking Patrick Administration official about the potential of getting a Silver Line route over here to Chelsea. My hope is to someday have an intermodal transportation station at the Mystic Mall (no, shopping carriage rides do not count as intermodal transit). We’ve set our sights on getting a bus ride with very few stops along the way to South Station via the airport. It is going to take some time, but so did high school, and those were the best six years of my life!
 
Oh, Silver Line bus line, I heart you.

Atlantic Cities has an article with a synopsis of BRT lines throughout the country, and their pro's and con's (emphasis, mine).

What We Can Learn from City Busways

Silver Line (Boston)

I can't seem to find the newspaper articles anymore. But above the moving walkways at the airport I thought "Logan 2000" was supposed to also have a monorail train instead to each of the terminals?
 
Not sure where to put this. This comes from Chelsea City Manager Jay Ash's 2/11 "Inside Scoop"

2. The Inside Scoop is meant to provide you with some “you heard it here first” moments. Well…here’s one. I had a preliminary discussion this past week with a senior ranking Patrick Administration official about the potential of getting a Silver Line route over here to Chelsea. My hope is to someday have an intermodal transportation station at the Mystic Mall (no, shopping carriage rides do not count as intermodal transit). We’ve set our sights on getting a bus ride with very few stops along the way to South Station via the airport. It is going to take some time, but so did high school, and those were the best six years of my life!

Dear Chelsea,

Congratulations. You're interested in getting a.... bus?

Our condolances,

Boston
 
Thanks Found5 – that SL route through East Boston is horrendous. When they ever decide to replace the Tobin, they should continue a line from the Chelsea commuter rail station straight under route 1, up and over the Mystic and into Charlestown/Navy Yard, then North Station.
 
http://www.universalhub.com/2012/what-it-about-red-lights-silver-line-way-makes-the

There's going to be a greatest hits reel of these in due time. You know it.

F-Line -- the minute that the Silver Line opened without a grade separated crossing of D Street I knew there was going to be an unending series of these

One day some truck driver coming a long way at night will make a turn into the ramp and head-on with a Silver Line or T-Bone one on D Street -- and there will be bodies all over the place

Maybe then or Ideally before the Big Accident -- since Massport, Turnpike and the T are now all ostensibly part of the DOT -- they will get together and dig under D to Silver Line Way and also make a dedicated connection from the Silver Line Way station in/out of the Ted Williams Tunnel
 
F-Line -- the minute that the Silver Line opened without a grade separated crossing of D Street I knew there was going to be an unending series of these

One day some truck driver coming a long way at night will make a turn into the ramp and head-on with a Silver Line or T-Bone one on D Street -- and there will be bodies all over the place

Maybe then or Ideally before the Big Accident -- since Massport, Turnpike and the T are now all ostensibly part of the DOT -- they will get together and dig under D to Silver Line Way and also make a dedicated connection from the Silver Line Way station in/out of the Ted Williams Tunnel

...and not-nice things can happen when you puncture the battery compartment on the side of a traction vehicle. You didn't see Boeings on the E-line after 1986 because one got its whole exterior carbody energized by a side-swipe in precisely the right spot. On a TT that's a rear-ender--or moreso a corner rear-ender jack-knifing above the bumper--that'll do it. Not quite as risky in Cambridge anymore because the new ones have composite instead of aluminum frames. But things could still get a bit sparky on the truck that hits it.


But then...dual-modes. That's sparky + a diesel tank. At a crossing where those vulnerable rear corners are in much more prone position. Yeah, about that. . .
 
Or we could write the Silver Line off as a failed experiment and work on getting proper light rail service from South Station to the Airport?

We could also do an AirTrain! ...well, actually, we probably couldn't do an AirTrain. Is it possible to bridge over the harbor or does that have to be a tunnel?
 
Or we could write the Silver Line off as a failed experiment and work on getting proper light rail service from South Station to the Airport?

We could also do an AirTrain! ...well, actually, we probably couldn't do an AirTrain. Is it possible to bridge over the harbor or does that have to be a tunnel?

Direct rail to the airport was deemed impossible when they cut the third transit bore out of the Ted Tunnel design to save money (you know...because they were all about reining in Big Dig cost back then). It's commonly stated that you can't mix light rail and interstate highways, but in the fine print that's not actually specified. And the Ted is exempted from Interstate highway design standards like all underwater tunnels that can only be built with tight clearances. So, yes, you could technically run an LRV through the tunnel pavement. It could even be traffic-separated on both ends of the tunnel until it hits the true precast underwater tunnel segment for the only mixed-traffic running. The under-land approaches have full-size shoulders and the concrete walkways on the side that are wide enough to fit track. Tunnel ventilation is beyond spec to mitigate explosion risk from leaking gas and an arc from the overhead (the other thing planners would clutch their pearls at), and at that short a distance an off-wire LRV like the Kinki AmeriTram can cruise through the mid-segment and pick up the overhead at each portal. Functionally it's not really any different than the current dual-mode experience, and the oft-cited "well, a bus can change lanes around an obstruction" becomes a miniscule factor in a tunnel where lane changes are prohibited and moving around obstructions is hard enough for the cars. There's such limited space for that a vehicle probably only gets one shot end-to-end to actually change lanes. So put 1-2 turnouts somewhere in the middle where a short runaround track segment can act as a lane switch.


But...seriously, is anyone ever going to consider that? They'd be terrified to. And I'm fairly sure sure it would make any difference over the BRT mode because a high-speed tunnel is a fixed guideway all the same. What they need to do is grade-separate on each end of the tunnel. Eliminate @#$% D St. crossing before it kills someone and give the buses a dedicated ramp in and out of the tunnel. Then you've got "true-true" BRT with the requisite dedicated ROW everywhere except where physically impossible for any mode, and same trip times. This is absolutely the correct application of BRT, in the place where high-density rail is impractical. It's the rest of the SL and hit-sandwich Phase III that don't pass the smell test, and the Transitway that screams out for dual LRT+BRT use.

In retrospect, Big Dig planners probably would've and should've gone for the third Ted transit bore if they knew what "cost control" was really going to entail for that adventure. The Ted was one of the few portions of the project that didn't become a total unhinged corruption pit. Mainly because it was the first piece of all to get built, before the political-criminal enterprise got its claws in all. But that compromise seemed sensible at the time, and rail-to-Airport-from-South-Station is not so high a priority to dredge open the harbor again. Not when the Blue Line is a reliable-enough #2 route, and not when Phase III of the Urban Ring *ostensibly* is direct-rail overland on an existing rail ROW for a third link. After its own BRT/Phase II interlude. :rolleyes:


What I think they should do 2 dozen years from now when Logan's inevitably up for its next new radical Central Parking/terminal makeover is to put an El or grade-separated ROW grafted onto the 2nd level snaking around Central Parking as a true Airport transit loop. And like the Transitway should be have it done as pavement + buried rails with shared overhead so trolleys coming off the UR via Chelsea and BRT coming off the Ted can share it together. Without either needing to crawl in terminal traffic.
 
Direct rail to the airport was deemed impossible when they cut the third transit bore out of the Ted Tunnel design to save money.....and at that short a distance an off-wire LRV like the Kinki AmeriTram can cruise through the mid-segment and pick up the overhead at each portal.... What they need to do is grade-separate on each end of the tunnel. Eliminate @#$% D St. crossing before it kills someone and give the buses a dedicated ramp in and out of the tunnel. Then you've got "true-true" BRT with the requisite dedicated ROW everywhere except where physically impossible for any mode, and same trip times. This is absolutely the correct application of BRT, in the place where high-density rail is impractical. It's the rest of the SL and hit-sandwich Phase III that don't pass the smell test, and the Transitway that screams out for dual LRT+BRT use.

F-Line --- that's what should be done and Pronto with money from Massport

The rest is best saved for "Crazy Transit Pitches"
 
So I've learned that the MBTA gives SL Waterfront/Airport fares over to MassPort. That is BS. Let MassPort run the line then. In fact, I like that idea. Keep it on the map and everything, but let it be MassPort's project.
 
So I've learned that the MBTA gives SL Waterfront/Airport fares over to MassPort. That is BS. Let MassPort run the line then. In fact, I like that idea. Keep it on the map and everything, but let it be MassPort's project.

Along with the ferries!

In fact, let's replace the SL Waterfront with a Ferry.

I bet it would move about the same speed, too.
 
Along with the ferries!

In fact, let's replace the SL Waterfront with a Ferry.

I bet it would move about the same speed, too.

Only if that means we can dig a 'loop' canal from Jefferies Point to all of the Airport terminals and back. Now THAT would impress travelers.
 
I had lunch at Liberty Wharf yesterday and used the Silver Line Way stop for my on/off. In the midday sun, I had two out-of-towners ask me where the stop actually was, both while they were within mere feet of the stop itself.

The first person was getting off there with me, and didn't believe what the announcement system was saying when she looked out the window. "Are you getting off at Silver Line Way? Is this it?"

The second person was trying to find the stop, deciding whether to walk 100 feet in one direction towards an empty/disabled SL bus, or 100 feet in the other direction towards the two shelters that were her actual target. At 100 feet, the words "Silver Line" are not visible on this tiny thing. Nor is the writing on the top of the shelters particularly helpful for someone looking for THE Silver Line, the MBTA's vaunted fifth rapid transit line (so sayeth all the maps) and not a measly bus stop.

Where are the long horizontal and color-coded signs indicative of a transit stop on the MBTA? Is there a bigger dropoff for self-triangulation anywhere on the system than between here and WTC/Courthouse? The stop is on all of the maps, for heaven's sake! It's been there for eight years! How does one actually locate this thing?

The Silver Line Way stop is an inconspicuous pile of sad.
 
Silver Line Way, as a stop, doesn't actually correspond to anything.

You change from overhead wire to diesel power there... unless you're not on the Airport bus, since the bus to the Design Center never draws power from the overhead wires to begin with.

You surface from the special Silver Line tunnel and rejoin general traffic there... oops, wait, you don't, the tunnel stops at World Trade Center. My bad!

Now, what you could do is complete the tunnel out to underneath the nearby Pavilion, and abolish Silver Line Way in favor of Pavilion Station, or, even better, you could actually build the Silver Line instead of striping an incomplete, mediocre bus lane down Washington Street, not connecting it to the overbuilt Seaport Tunnel (god forbid your tourists and businessmen be exposed to the undesirables, am I right?), and painting a bunch of buses silver.
 
You change from overhead wire to diesel power there... unless you're not on the Airport bus, since the bus to the Design Center never draws power from the overhead wires to begin with.
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Unless thats just changed, thats not true at all.


But yes, SLW is a very badly designed stop. Its confusing, hard to find and ugly.

The only reason SLW is where it is is so buses can turn straight onto the pike.

Except the MBTA has taken a conscious effort to reduce ridership by ignoring the first ramp, and going to another ramp ten minutes away. This is the same MBTA that refuses to coordinate traffic signals with trolleys, even when the cost is zero, has the D street traffic light set to "screw over bus" and also refuses to open convenience transit entrances.
 
I think Silver Line Way was designed with air rights in mind. Or so I sure as hell hope.

Also, as for "ignoring the first ramp", this ramp is "owned" by the Mass State Police. They won't let the MBTA use it.
 
I think Silver Line Way was designed with air rights in mind. Or so I sure as hell hope.

Also, as for "ignoring the first ramp", this ramp is "owned" by the Mass State Police. They won't let the MBTA use it.

Last I checked, Mass Police and Mass DOT seem to all fall under the same boss.
 

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