[CANCELED] Summer St. Gondola

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stellarfun said:
The cost to ride a gondola to the top of Mammoth is currently $29, ride takes between 10-15 minutes. How much is the Boston gondola going to charge?
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stellarfun said:
The East London gondola system.

According to CNN, "This [the annual operating cost] is massively greater than the revenue from fares income." The cheapest fare per trip would be $2.35 per trip. A one-ride cash fare (basically the fare for tourists) is $6.25.
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You went from a $29/trip example to show how crazy expensive this would be to a $2.35/trip example to show how it will would lose money. That is some extreme cherry picking. And as noted above, you've failed to understand the basic efficiencies of the system. Maybe do some honest research instead of just throwing out whatever random fact you stumble across while googling? You're obviously biased and grasping at anything you think may support your argument.
 
Justin7 said:
You went from a $29/trip example to show how crazy expensive this would be to a $2.35/trip example to show how it will would lose money. That is some extreme cherry picking. And as noted above, you've failed to understand the basic efficiencies of the system. Maybe do some honest research instead of just throwing out whatever random fact you stumble across while googling? You're obviously biased and grasping at anything you think may support your argument.
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THIS.

I don't think anyone is here is saying BUILD IS NOW AT ANY COST, but we certainly shouldn't discard the idea simply because it hasn't been done in Boston before.

Systems exist in developed and developing countries. Places like Texas, Disney, and London have the same concerns about safety, liability, accessibility, and cost. They've made it work for the public, so clearly these concerns aren't fatal flaws.

And again, Disney is building this as a transportation option to replace a crowded shuttle bus system, not as a pleasure ride, in place of rail expansion.

If you've been to Disney, you know there's an enormous density of wheelchair users, deathly obese people, and children. If they are able to make it work, anyone can.
 
jass said:
THIS.

I don't think anyone is here is saying BUILD IS NOW AT ANY COST, but we certainly shouldn't discard the idea simply because it hasn't been done in Boston before.

Systems exist in developed and developing countries. Places like Texas, Disney, and London have the same concerns about safety, liability, accessibility, and cost. They've made it work for the public, so clearly these concerns aren't fatal flaws.

And again, Disney is building this as a transportation option to replace a crowded shuttle bus system, not as a pleasure ride, in place of rail expansion.

If you've been to Disney, you know there's an enormous density of wheelchair users, deathly obese people, and children. If they are able to make it work, anyone can.
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I am assuming that Disney doesn't have an existing $650 million subway tunnel that could be improved upon, running the same general route.
 
JeffDowntown said:
I am assuming that Disney doesn't have an existing $650 million subway tunnel that could be improved upon, running the same general route.
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They have a 15 mile rail system, although I can't find out how much they spent to build it.

However, a similar system built recently cost $50 million per mile.

So that would have been $750 million.
 
With no net elevation gain I'm guessing the power requirements would be a good bit less; most gondolas haul people up really high mountains and almost none of them ride down. As a minor clarification, on most systems there is only the one motor; in non-drive stations the tire banks etc. are driven by the haul rope.

I still can't figure how they're planning on dropping $100 mil on this thing; with only three stations it ought to be about a quarter of that. This is all off-the-shelf, proven technology.
 
jass said:
They have a 15 mile rail system, although I can't find out how much they spent to build it.

However, a similar system built recently cost $50 million per mile.

So that would have been $750 million.
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The monorail or parts of it, are original to WDW, so the costs of the original segments would be prices of nearly 50 years ago.

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I am not sure how good this gondolas are for commuters, but it's certainly a tourist attraction.
 
ceo said:
With no net elevation gain I'm guessing the power requirements would be a good bit less; most gondolas haul people up really high mountains and almost none of them ride down. As a minor clarification, on most systems there is only the one motor; in non-drive stations the tire banks etc. are driven by the haul rope.

I still can't figure how they're planning on dropping $100 mil on this thing; with only three stations it ought to be about a quarter of that. This is all off-the-shelf, proven technology.
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Actually, would the elevation really matter that much? I’m assuming the gondolas are the majority of the weight carried, and they’re all balanced by gondolas going down slope.
 
DominusNovus said:
Actually, would the elevation really matter that much? I’m assuming the gondolas are the majority of the weight carried, and they’re all balanced by gondolas going down slope.
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8 150# people weigh 1200 pounds, and the carriers don't weigh particularly more than that. On some mountain installations (more often chairlifts), they have to limit the number of people who can ride down at once, because the motor and drive electronics aren't set up to handle an overhauling load.
 
I saw a construction crew out finally fixing the slanted sidewalks on Summer St north of Melcher this week. Why they don't just build out a cycle track at the same time, I have no idea.
 
In jeopardy since June, heard nothing since.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/boston.curbed.com/platform/amp/2018/6/1/17412842/seaport-south-station-gondola-millennium-partners

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At first I was 100% against this but I warmed up to it. It would be one more way to get around, it would work, then on top of that the tourist factor would be amazing. The view of the Seaport, Fort Point, and the city skyline riding this thing would be amazing. Then it also passes over fort point, Im sure the views would be incredible. It would be a viable way to get down Summer st so why not? As long as they kept working on other modes Id be cool with it. Imagine the friggin view from the render above, this would be pretty badass.
 
Using a gondola where a bus is possible should get everyone involved fired. This is a horrible horrible proposal and it will unquestionably make our city WORSE, not better, because the stupid stations take up space that could be used for something else. There is no upside whatsoever, not even “the view.” If the few seats on the thing are packed with tourists taking in the view, then it isn’t packed with the people who need to get where they are going.
 
+1 ^

Elevated systems and stations over the streets of Boston took over 60 years to get rid of. Now they're going to put up new ones? I don't think so.
 
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