Portland Passenger Rail

GREAT perspective, cneal. You've already been on it. Interestingly, when I attended the NNEPRA meeting on the 20th, the director decried the extra 30 minutes added to get to Brunswick due to the train backing up. But that is not true, or a lie, because if you look at the schedule times, it's 30 minutes from Saco to Portland (16 miles), then 30 minutes from Portland to Freeport (18 miles). From Portland to Brunswick its 45 minutes (26 miles). If so, then from Portland to Freeport would be one hour, and one hour fifteen to Brunswick. Her specious argument might be fueled by a "Green" issue from using more diesel fuel, from the "people" in Brunswick. She implied that some in Brunswick don't like this backing up idea. And, it's a big one, she sounded quite upset about missing the filing deadline in January for the federal funds needed for the project. That's millions of dollars for construction and that "crucial extra" for admin costs. There you go, if you get my drift.
 
Nice one Cneal! I like it. Reminds me of my tramway service idea which is highly realistic, especially if there is some new TOD zoning around some of these stations. 95% of this network is on existing track with a main hub at Union Station which would be a TOD redevelopment!

Main differences are this doesn’t have that new rail line along 95. My Westbrook line extends with 1 mile of new track stretching into Gorham. View attachment 69094
As Greater Portland continues to grow, forward thinking like this that may be seen as impossible but may just be necessary… hopefully the city and surrounding municipalities are preparing for the future instead of just trying to stay in their political/official seat.

That's an interesting idea of extending a Mountain Division Branch into Mosher's Corner, because that's really where you want a commuter station, not Little Falls or South Windham. PLUS, you could potentially get Amazon to pay for a large chunk of it to use as a siding into their new distribution center.

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Spot on Dr. Strange Hat. Pretty accurate mapping out of the 5% of the network not on existing rail too. That Gorham terminus station would be very suburban with plenty of parking for commuters who want to park and ride (and there would be many) but it would serve a huge catchment area and a growing population!
 
Ironically, the former Portland and Rochester route appears in that map; I've highlighted it in blue. Of course, it's irrecoverable at this point since not only is it the road at the heart of the Gorham Industrial Park, it's also where Plourde Pkey (Route 25) is in Westbrook, and their Public Safety building also sits in the middle of it.

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I don't think NNEPRA is as done with Site 3 as we thought; they've got an analysis (PDF warning) of SItes 2 and 3 from Bernstein Shur that is of course strongly in favor of Site 3, and it does raise one additional point I don't think we discussed here: putting a second platform on the west side of the tracks would be difficult if not impossible, as that land is owned by the jail and NNEPRA can't exercise eminent domain over county land. (Note that the plan assumes a new station constructed behind Margarita's.) They have also updated the project page with additional arguments and, I believe, new renderings.
 
I don't think NNEPRA is as done with Site 3 as we thought; they've got an analysis (PDF warning) of SItes 2 and 3 from Bernstein Shur that is of course strongly in favor of Site 3, and it does raise one additional point I don't think we discussed here: putting a second platform on the west side of the tracks would be difficult if not impossible, as that land is owned by the jail and NNEPRA can't exercise eminent domain over county land. (Note that the plan assumes a new station constructed behind Margarita's.) They have also updated the project page with additional arguments and, I believe, new renderings.

Does NNEPRA think there will somehow be any passenger service on the Mountain Division and/or the spur to the Marine Terminal? I know MEDOT wants to tear up the Mountain Division after Westbrook, which is stupid IMO. Site 3 is perfect if either is a possibility, but Site 2 would probably be more feasible and the current location is perfect if something like that I-95 idea came into fruition (which it likely won't, unfortunately).
 
Does NNEPRA think there will somehow be any passenger service on the Mountain Division and/or the spur to the Marine Terminal? I know MEDOT wants to tear up the Mountain Division after Westbrook, which is stupid IMO. Site 3 is perfect if either is a possibility, but Site 2 would probably be more feasible and the current location is perfect if something like that I-95 idea came into fruition (which it likely won't, unfortunately).
The Mountain Division is a foamer fantasy, not a real-world consideration. An express bus down ME 25 can link Westbrook perfectly well, there's virtually nothing between Westbrook and the state line that would draw flies, and there isn't a freight revenue tag-team to underwrite costs. In a perennially cost-constrained state there's no viable means of ever making it an even nice-to-have. Plus all it takes is CSX writing a check to relocate the small propane dealer at Rock Row to somewhere on the mainline and it'll formally be out of customers and immediately scrapeable off the corporate ledger with a full abandonment everywhere past PTC. The big SAPPI paper Mill in Westbrook hasn't been a customer in over 5 years, and the ROW to there is now physically barricaded with a length of rail removed. If Conway Scenic ever wants access to Amtrak, reactivating the out-of-service Conway-Ossipee midsection of the Conway Branch (difficulty: making NH care) and using the active/good-condition Ossipee-Dover portion to get into Dover Station is far, far physically easier and less costly than going all the way down the Mountain to Portland and would come with actual daily freight revenues from New Hampshire Northcoast gaining access to a second sand pit south of Conway.

It's not coming back no matter how much hopium some buffs are smoking, and NNEPRA has no substantive reason for putting its finger on the scale for any sites because of it. I get that provisioning is desireable in theory, but there isn't a scenario that anyone can plausibly invent where Mountain Division restoration ever makes good cost-benefit sense for Maine.
 
there's virtually nothing between Westbrook and the state line that would draw flies

I could see a seasonal Sebago Lake and Fryeburg for passengers. I wonder what Maine would've thought had Conway been in their state instead of New Hampshire.

If Conway Scenic ever wants access to Amtrak, reactivating the out-of-service Conway-Ossipee midsection of the Conway Branch (difficulty: making NH care) and using the active/good-condition Ossipee-Dover portion to get into Dover Station is far, far physically easier and less costly than going all the way down the Mountain to Portland and would come with actual daily freight revenues from New Hampshire Northcoast gaining access to a second sand pit south of Conway.

Unfortunately, getting New Hampshire to care is basically impossible. That's why I said it was stupid; if the Conway-Ossipee section was active, I might feel differently, but Maine was going to be more willing to allow passenger rail on their track than New Hampshire would ever be.

But unless the Mountain Division can support passenger rail, then there isn't as much incentive to pick Site 3.
 
I could see a seasonal Sebago Lake and Fryeburg for passengers. I wonder what Maine would've thought had Conway been in their state instead of New Hampshire.



Unfortunately, getting New Hampshire to care is basically impossible. That's why I said it was stupid; if the Conway-Ossipee section was active, I might feel differently, but Maine was going to be more willing to allow passenger rail on their track than New Hampshire would ever be.

But unless the Mountain Division can support passenger rail, then there isn't as much incentive to pick Site 3.
The reasons for Site 3 have to do with a) still needing access to the maintenance facility at PTC, and b) Maine Health (Maine Medical Center et al) owns Site 2 and has no interest in giving it up for a train station (and they can afford far better lawyers than NNEPRA can). There's also the fact that Site 2 is closer to the Congress St. grade crossing than CSX is apparently comfortable with. The only other possible passenger usage of the Mountain would be a shuttle to Rock Row and I'm pretty sure they've given up on the idea.
 
CSRR is in talks with the Maine DOT to purchase the line from North Conway to Portland for freight. With VRs reopening the line to Whitefield and will connect to St Johnsbury later, it opens the opportunity to connect the port to northern NH, Vermont, and Montreal. CSRR has the money to rehab the tracks.
 
NHNC runs the line from Ossipee to BON(North Station) old B&M line or Boston Sand & Gravel. The rail line stops after the pit , where the line was taken out of service in Madison NH. The state has plans to rip up the rail from the pit to Conway to make a trail. The state also sold land on the line to someone who built a building right on the ROW, thus putting a nail in the coffin for any restoration of rail service from North Conway to Boston.
 
The reasons for Site 3 have to do with a) still needing access to the maintenance facility at PTC, and b) Maine Health (Maine Medical Center et al) owns Site 2 and has no interest in giving it up for a train station (and they can afford far better lawyers than NNEPRA can). There's also the fact that Site 2 is closer to the Congress St. grade crossing than CSX is apparently comfortable with. The only other possible passenger usage of the Mountain would be a shuttle to Rock Row and I'm pretty sure they've given up on the idea.
I yearn for the day when someone asks NNEPRA to explain why they haven’t planned relocating the maintenance facility at the PTC to coincide with relocating the passenger station at the PTC.

When you’re talking about projects costing tens of millions of dollars, you just can’t approach it with such a single-minded focus on operational efficiency above all else as NNEPRA has, because it can box you into pushing a station site that large swaths of the public consider a downgrade from the current site…and without demonstrable public support, the project is dead on arrival.

The obvious place on the mainline for the station to go is around Congress Street. If Site B is considered not viable because of Maine Health’s refusal to cooperate and CSX’s concerns over the grade crossing, why couldn’t the solutions be to acquire the parcels on the north side of Congress Street and elevate the tracks above Congress (therefore elevated station platforms) to eliminate the grade crossing? Again, for the amount of money NNEPRA wants to spend on a site that anyone off the street can tell you (from a rider experience standpoint) would be a downgrade from the current PTC location, they should have to show that they truly left no stone unturned in trying to make something near Congress Street work.
 
CSRR is in talks with the Maine DOT to purchase the line from North Conway to Portland for freight. With VRs reopening the line to Whitefield and will connect to St Johnsbury later, it opens the opportunity to connect the port to northern NH, Vermont, and Montreal. CSRR has the money to rehab the tracks.
Why would there be a need for a new (re-activated) line through the white mountains when there’s already an active one to northern NH and Montreal in the SLR? Since when is there a high enough freight traffic demand from Portland to St Johnsbury to warrant such a costly re-activation?
 
The SLR does not service Vermont and it dead ends in Auburn. VRS bought out NH Central RR, and they bought the former PanAm/Guilford stretch in littleton. There is a big sand operation that was looking for rail near littleton, the sand I was told is very high quality and better than the sand at BSG in Boston. CSX is eager for that if dropped off on the Westbrook spur for pickup by CSX
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I yearn for the day when someone asks NNEPRA to explain why they haven’t planned relocating the maintenance facility at the PTC to coincide with relocating the passenger station at the PTC.

When you’re talking about projects costing tens of millions of dollars, you just can’t approach it with such a single-minded focus on operational efficiency above all else as NNEPRA has, because it can box you into pushing a station site that large swaths of the public consider a downgrade from the current site…and without demonstrable public support, the project is dead on arrival.

The obvious place on the mainline for the station to go is around Congress Street. If Site B is considered not viable because of Maine Health’s refusal to cooperate and CSX’s concerns over the grade crossing, why couldn’t the solutions be to acquire the parcels on the north side of Congress Street and elevate the tracks above Congress (therefore elevated station platforms) to eliminate the grade crossing? Again, for the amount of money NNEPRA wants to spend on a site that anyone off the street can tell you (from a rider experience standpoint) would be a downgrade from the current PTC location, they should have to show that they truly left no stone unturned in trying to make something near Congress Street work.

I'm also baffled by the failure to consider a station above Park Ave, for all the reasons you mention. The railroad bridge over Park used to have 6 tracks, so there's plenty of room there for a station track (or even two station tracks) flanked by two new platforms, with no need for any property acquisition, and instead of building expensive elevators to go over the tracks you could have a basic pair of ramps down to the Park Avenue sidewalks.
 
CSRR is in talks with the Maine DOT to purchase the line from North Conway to Portland for freight. With VRs reopening the line to Whitefield and will connect to St Johnsbury later, it opens the opportunity to connect the port to northern NH, Vermont, and Montreal. CSRR has the money to rehab the tracks.
That's incredibly, *incredibly* wishful-thinking thus far unsupported by any shred of evidence. Believe me, RR.net has had foam-drenched discussions going about this almost continuously for all of its 22 years of existence...and *no one*--including the actual CSRR employees who liberally post on there--has come up with any nuggets to suggest that such a thing might actually happen. Maine is linked to Montreal, Northern New Hampshire, and Vermont quite very well already through the CSX-SLR interchange in Auburn, the CSX-CPKC interchange in Bangor, interchanges via the Genessee & Wyoming lines in Massachusetts, and another CPKC interchange near Albany. None of them are crow-flies straight routes, but ALL of them have none of the punishing grades of the Mountain that looked so poor on the Maine Central's balance sheet pre-1983 when they had to overpower their freights with extra engines to get over the desolate line each day. The Mountain was a spectacularly crappy freight thru route...costly to operate, long travel times, virtually no on-line customers. It just happened to be the only route MEC had until they got merged with the B&M's superior route. It never was an aspirational target, no matter how much MEDOT has studied, studied, studied it trying to find something under a rock.
 
The SLR does not service Vermont and it dead ends in Auburn.
Yes it does. They have a transload in Island Pond, VT. Although as SLR is a largely 3-day-a-week operation, CSX doesn't do a lot of interchanging with them compared to the levels Pan Am did, opting to reach Vermont through other higher-volume interchanges like NECR.
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VRS bought out NH Central RR, and they bought the former PanAm/Guilford stretch in littleton. There is a big sand operation that was looking for rail near littleton, the sand I was told is very high quality and better than the sand at BSG in Boston. CSX is eager for that if dropped off on the Westbrook spur for pickup by CSX
CSX is all about high-volume routes, and it will choose the high-volume route 10 times out of 10 over straighter lines on a map with limited carloads. That's the essence of the Precision Scheduled Railroading ops strategy that the Class I's--but especially CSX--have adopted. They'll pack the great big CPKC interchange in Greater Albany or the moderate-size NECR interchange in Palmer, MA to get to Vermont and VRS and will outright refuse to send a fetch job to Westbrook for a few sand loads. Hell, they've already knocked down the BS&G job from Ossipee-Dover to 3 days a week from 6 because it wasn't meeting their carload size targets as a daily. If Littleton produces anything, it'll go via VRS to White River Junction and NECR to Palmer...and probably even backtrack on CSX to West Springfield before heading east to Maine or Boston. Volume, volume, volume so thoroughly trumps straight lines on a map in Class I business sense it's not even funny.

There is no scenario on earth where the Mountain Division is going to become a thru freight route again. That's been dead as a doornail since Guilford merged the MEC with the B&M 43 years ago, and no amount of foam dispensed is ever going to make it a thing.
 
The near inevitable transcontinental duopoly is only going to make branches less and less attractive. It’s all going to be high volume trunking and trans loading for the last mile.
 
The near inevitable transcontinental duopoly is only going to make branches less and less attractive. It’s all going to be high volume trunking and trans loading for the last mile.
Yep. CSX has already put out to bid third-party shortline operators for the extremely marginal Waterville-Augusta and Bangor-Bucksport branches, with 1 interested party filing a proposal and some new transload business planned for the formerly out-of-service Bucksport Branch. It's an extra handoff, yes, but it gets them out of needing to hustle their Sales Dept. for very small carload counts. They're likely to do more of that, particularly in New Hampshire where the Nashua-Concord and Nashua-Wilton locals can easily be bid out to Vermont Rail System which already operates Concord-Tilton leaving only the reliably daily Lawrence-Nashua yard-stocker job under CSX auspices. The Portland locals are almost perfectly load-balanced...one set of crews, one daily weekday RT operating slot, but different destinations by day (some days it's south on the Western Route, some days it's to the customers by Deering Jct., once a week it's to Brunswick to pick up what scraps are left from the Rockland Branch's new shortline operator, once a week or less it's to Rock Row for the last Mountain customer). There's no way they'd be willing to add extra trains to that schedule to pick up interchange sand in Westbrook multiple days a week...it would either be once a week max. like when they serve the Rock Row propane dealer (which isn't likely to work for sand/concrete logistics), or pick up on the substantial-size daily West Springfield-Palmer interchange train with a couple other legs on the trip to other carriers. They choose the latter every time. And, like I said, cutting a check to the Rock Row propane dealer to relocate to a mainline location is a small price for them to pay for getting out from under the Mountain Division entirely and further streamlining their locals schedule to ever tighter bang-for-buck.

3 years ago Pan Am was running three daily Massachusetts-Portland train pairs: one from East Deerfield to Portland, one from Ayer to Portland, and one (joint-venture with CSX) from Selkirk, NY to Portland. Today CSX runs one pair: Selkirk-Portland with dropoffs/pickups in Ayer. Carloads are up quite a bit since the Pan Am days, too. It's just an absolute monster of a single train...routinely 100-140 cars each direction instead of being split up into more frequent intermediate-length trains. They'll keep growing it until it scrapes the car count limit of the B&A over the Berkshire grades, and then they'll open the checkbook for double-stacking Ayer-Portland to keep it one train but denser. CSX is absolutely maniacal about applying PSR ops to their system in this manner. Streamlining, streamlining, streamlining...and max bang-for-buck on the slots they choose to run. Sometimes it unfolds in nonlinear fashion...like the fact that that monster Selkirk-Portland train then has to spawn a separate Portland-Lawrence yard-stocker job instead of having the Portland train drop/pick up a cut of cars in Lawrence as it's passing thru (PSR logically means running fast to the largest-carload destination and worrying about secondary destinations later, even when the results look a little illogical like ^that^). They're being aggressive about chasing new business, but it's going to be on mainlines (or like the NH Main where their locals roam for free without maintenance costs in MBTA territory) not self-operated branches...and with liberal partnering with interested shortlines templating what they did previously in Massachusetts outsourcing lower-margin branches to the likes of Mass Coastal and Grafton & Upton. It's ultimately a bright future for overall New England freight to be muscling that much more mainline carloads, but it's a different kind of beast than running the straightest lines on a map on-demand whenever there's a handful of cars to be had. Those days are over.
 

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