Back Bay turnpike ramps

Yes, the Allston/Brighton Tolls, No, it will be a 12 story parking garage. Think Alewife twice as tall and probably twice as big.

That is kind of like the plan for Ft. Worth,TX which had the downtown pedestrian only, ringed by highways that fed into parking garages.
 
vanshnookenraggen said:
Yes, the Allston/Brighton Tolls, No, it will be a 12 story parking garage. Think Alewife twice as tall and probably twice as big.

That is kind of like the plan for Ft. Worth,TX which had the downtown pedestrian only, ringed by highways that fed into parking garages.

Harvard recently bought a giant chunk of the land surrounding the allston brighton tolls, and the leasehold underneath the tolls themselves and an old lot with what once was a warehouse across the street. CSX owns the old train depot (which is massive if you look at it on google maps)- Anything and everything regarding development would most likely need approval by both parties (and Houghton Chemical to boot).
 
Isn't CSX moving those yards? Perhaps this is better asked over at the RR.net forums.
 
vanshnookenraggen said:
That is kind of like the plan for Ft. Worth,TX which had the downtown pedestrian only, ringed by highways that fed into parking garages.
Venice!

Only one highway there, and it doesn't ring the city, but the principle is the same.
 
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The Globe said:
Plan to ease Storrow load would add 2 Pike ramps
Earlier options to fix drive are called unworkable


By Matt Viser, Globe Staff | May 9, 2007

A state transportation committee wants to add an entrance and exit ramp to the Massachusetts Turnpike in the Back Bay to relieve traffic on Storrow Drive as the panel struggles to come up with plans for renovating the badly deteroriating Storrow Drive tunnel between Clarendon and Arlington streets.

The Transportation Advisory Committee, established by state officials to determine the best solution for the Storrow renovation, said the four options presented for consideration last year are impractical or unrealistic.

The options ranged from simple reconfigurations that would eliminate the tunnel and make the Back Bay portion of Storrow a surface road to an elaborate redesign with large east- and westbound tunnels. But the advisory committee concluded that neither of the two simple reconfigurations could handle Storrow's traffic loads and that the two more complex options would be too costly and attract more commuter traffic to the road by opening up bottlenecks.

As a result, the panel has asked the state Executive Office of Transportation to look into the feasibility of a new plan that would convert the pike into the main artery feeding the Back Bay and make Storrow a more pedestrian-friendly parkway, like Memorial Drive in Cambridge. Construction on the mammoth Storrow project, originally scheduled for 2008, has been pushed back to 2010.

"Fundamentally, there are too many cars on that road," said Elliott Laffer, chairman of the Transportation Advisory Committee, referring to Storrow. "We're suggesting that a look be taken to get people off Storrow by adding exit ramps off the turnpike."

Since officials announced the need to overhaul the Storrow Drive tunnel last year, the project has been the subject of intense public scrutiny.

Expected to require 18 months to four years to complete at a cost of $25 million to $200 million, renovation means major traffic disruptions.

And the road's future has stirred strong feelings. Some say that Storrow Drive, one of the city's busiest thouroughfares, must be expanded to accommodate increasing volumes of traffic. But the street also cuts through a fashionable Boston neighborhood, where it separates pricey town houses from parkland along the Charles River, and some say it should be scaled back.

Several officials said yesterday that the original hope of beginning construction next year was overly optimistic.

"This is a project that requires, demands, and deserves an extensive public process," said Wendy Fox, spokeswoman for the state Department of Conservation and Recreation, which oversees the 56-year-old Storrow Drive. "Based on the amount of public input we want to be able to have, and the length of the permitting process, 2010 is not far out."

The advisory committee says it wants the Executive Office of Transportation to look at several possibilities that would encourage some of the more than 100,000 drivers who use Storrow Drive each day to use the turnpike.

Ramps that would allow drivers to enter or leave the turnpike would make it an attractive alternative to Storrow Drive, which many motorists use because of its multiple ramps in the Back Bay.

Among the options the advisory committee has discussed is a westbound Mass. Pike exit ramp near Brookline Avenue, which would allow drivers to get off near Kenmore Square, and an eastbound onramp to the turnpike near the Bowker Overpass that carries traffic from the Fenway onto Storrow Drive. The committee also asked the Transportation Department to propose other locations for ramps to carry Back Bay traffic.

"For the most part, the benefits of the Big Dig are bypassing the Back Bay," said Meg Mainzer- Cohen, president of the Back Bay Association, a business group that has been lobbying Governor Deval Patrick to back ramps on the turnpike. "An offshoot of that is that some people are traveling on Storrow Drive right now who, if there was an option, would take the turnpike."

John Lamontagne, spokesman for the Executive Office of Transportation, said the office is reviewing the committee's request.

In plotting how to proceed with Storrow Drive, the advisory committee is looking into variations of the least complicated option proposed last spring, bringing Storrow Drive to grade level and adding traffic lights.

But it wants the Executive Office of Transportation to help determine whether Back Bay ramps on the turnpike would divert enough traffic from Storrow to make that plan feasible. In the event that studies determine that Storrow must continue to carry large volumes of traffic, the advisory committee is brainstorming options that would cut down on cost but reduce the impact of a major roadway in the neighborhood, such as an uncovered sunken roadway.

"There's a lot of conversations about this," said state Representative Marty Walz, a Democrat from the Back Bay. "It's like a balloon: You push it, the traffic goes somewhere else, and you want to understand the consequences of realigning your roadway configuration."

Changes to the roadway are limited because the Charles River Esplanade is on one side and Beacon Hill and Back Bay brownstones on the other. In the middle is a busy, curvy thoroughfare where nearly 6 out of 10 drivers are commuting to work, according to a recent transportation study.

Meanwhile, state officials keep a close eye on the aging tunnel. The latest inspection, conducted in March, found that the tunnel has cracked support beams and damage from collisions but that the conditions were no worse than they were in September, the time of its previous inspection.

State officials insisted yesterday that the tunnel is safe and said that they would do repairs as they are needed and monitor trouble spots.

"We do continuous repairs on anything that needs to be done in there," Fox said.

Matt Viser can be reached at maviser@globe.com.
? Copyright 2007 Globe Newspaper Company.
 
kz1000ps said:
...the advisory committee is brainstorming options that would cut down on cost but reduce the impact of a major roadway in the neighborhood, such as an uncovered sunken roadway.
Let's see, isn't this what the Pike is, northeast of the Hancock garage? Is that low impact?

Theories, pshaw!

Btw, Marty Walz seems like a clueless idiot.
 
Ah, Marty Walz and Storrow Drive.

To recap for those who haven't followed her brief but entirely consistent career: Marty was very vocal in her opposition to the Suffolk dorm when it was proposed at the Somerset location (in her district) but appears to have no concerns now that the dorm is at 10 West (not in her district). Similarly, she devoted several columns of ink to her opposition to the Silver Line Phase 3 portal when it was proposed for Columbus Avenue, near the edge of her district, echoing groundwater concerns of her constituents - but as soon as the T redirected its attention a few blocks away, in a location arguably even MORE at risk from a groundwater perspective, she was quick to voice her approval and confidence that groundwater issues could be overcome.

Marty wants to keep the Hynes, and keep it vibrant (her district). She hasn't expressed any concern that this could result in less activity and less impetus for development in the Seaport (not her district). She expressed her opposition to Columbus Center, based on disapproval in the Back Bay ... strong support for the project in Bay Village and Chinatown didn't count, because, you guessed it, those abutting areas are not in her district. Storrow Drive is very much in her district, and the well-heeled residents of Back Bay and Beacon Hill would very much like it to turn it into a park or (failing that) to reduce it to a slow, local-oriented byway. The Mass Pike and its proposed ramps are not in her district, and we can confidently predict that Marty will ultimately support those proposals as long as they don't dump onto Berkeley Street (which might cause tie ups in her district).

While the Pike ramps might, in fact, be a good idea, Walz's inability to consider any issue from the perspective of "what would be good for the city as a whole" is more than a little annoying ... especially given that she doesn't seem to face much of a re-election threat and represents a bunch of very wealthy areas that are already well-protected. And her penchant for consistently working behind the scenes to shove anything that her Marlborough and Mount Vernon Street constituents don't want a few blocks away into neighborhoods that are much less wealthy is appalling, especially given her self-identification as a left-leaning "progressive."
 
the well-heeled residents of Back Bay and Beacon Hill would very much like it to turn it into a park or (failing that) to reduce it to a slow, local-oriented byway.

I'm not gonna lie, I would very much like that as well. Storrow Drive is a scar on the otherwise beautiful esplanade. I remember when a proposal (more like a vision) was floating around of a new modern housing complex decking over Storrow, creating a "gateway" to the esplanade and Back Bay on Dartmouth St. Now that is something I would really like to see. And as far as Walz's flip-flopping goes, you have to remember that the one goal of a politician is to get reelected.
 
Certainly a good argument can be made that expansion of the Esplanade (consistent with Storrow estate vision) would be in the overall city's interest. Although it would be particularly in the interest of residents of riverside Beacon Street.

But I'd say that Columbus Center was also very much in the overall city's interest, as is further development in Charles River Park (another place where Walz can be counted on to bark). And much of the opposition to the Suffolk/Somerset proposal amounted to scare-mongering.

The specific concern of those of us outside of Walz's district is that potential Pike air rights projects will be sacrificed for Pike ramps. Walz in the past has opposed air rights developments, and the addition of more on/off points threatens to make already expensive construction completely unfeasible (in reality, most air rights proposals depend on economics of taller buildings with foundations that are actually on the edge of the roadway, where height can be supported).
 
Removing or reducing Storrow Drive would benefit everyone in the metropolitan area, not just Back Bay and Beacon Hill residents. Everyone uses that riverfront parkland.
 
Ron Newman said:
Removing or reducing Storrow Drive would benefit everyone in the metropolitan area, not just Back Bay and Beacon Hill residents. Everyone uses that riverfront parkland.
That's right; and if a subway ran under it, they'd use it to get to the park.
 
Am I the only one who think removing storrow drive would be a mistake? It moves 100,000 cars a day! The big dig just fixed the roads major flaw which was the Leverret Circle. If this traffic moves to the Masspike you just created a new 'central artery' with un-correctable traffic problems.

The storrow tunnel just needs to be repaired. I would prefer to see the tunnel extended and expanded in area allowing for development opportunities. I also think this area could use public transit.

However, I don't think the esplanade is difficult to access. There are pedestrian overpasses every 3 blocks. And I know this is hypothetical, but if they ever considered removing the road I think Beacon Hill and Back Bay residents along with Mass. General would line up to fight this.
 
TC you are not alone. Storrow Drive is what it is and should remain thus: a major thoroughfare that is needed to keep traffic off the streets of Back Bay. In my opinion, the Esplanade is plenty large as it is, and even then it is not properly maintained. I've been watching the granite stairs, piers and shoreline structures disintegrate for several decades; only now has money been appropriated to fix them. I can't imagine what more parkland will look like over time if the money were not put away up front to maintain it. In any case, fixing the Storrow tunnel will alleviate safety concerns and yes, extending it may make more surface land for development of one sort or another, but I'll be happy just to get it fixed ASAP, without an extended period of traffic torture. If the Esplanade needs to be made more inviting, why not replace the current foot bridges with wider, more graceful structures that truly invite pedestrians from the Back Bay streets into the Esplanade, a la the Fiedler Footbridge?
 
Simple solution

Simple solution. No more tunnels. Cheapest & fastest way to repair the roadway.

They should still build the new ramps, however.
 
Thanks Padre, and good point about the maintenance of the esplanade.
 
A subway running directly under the Esplanade is pure luxury. This park space is very well utilized, and I don't get a sense that a significant percentage of the users are driving to access it.

I'm neutral on the need to preserve Storrow Drive, but a challenge that would have to be addressed were it converted to park space would be the exposed backsides of all the Beacon Street buildings fronting the Esplanade. While not as much an eyesore as the severed warehouses along the Greenway, they wouldn't look right, and the property owners would be less than thrilled with the obvious solution that comes to my mind (a similarly scaled line of rowhouses that front the park, lying across the service alley from the backsides of the existing building).
 
The back alley, and the backs of those houses, are exactly what they were before Storrow Drive was built. No buildings were removed or cut up to build Storrow Drive.
 
They also predate the esplanade. They don't address the river because the river was something to be avoided when those buildings were built. But just because the buildings backed up to the parkland for the 15 or 20 years between the completion of the esplanade and the construction of Storrow Drive, doesn't make those buildings an attractive edge for the park.
 

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