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Since the Presidential race thread is going about as well as expected, I thought I might create a threat that relates so slightly less partisan, but still controversial ballot questions.

I wasn't sure if I wanted to have four separate threads or squeeze them into one, but I figure that if there is enough interest, the threads could be split later on.

I figure we could all state which way we're voting and why, and hopefully that will spark a good discussion.

Four ballot measures are certified to appear on the Massachusetts ballot on November 8, 2016.
Paperwork was filed for 35 initiatives targeting spots on the 2016 ballot in Massachusetts. Some of these were repeat filings of the same or similar measures. Four distinct citizen-initiated measures qualified for the ballot. To qualify proposals for the ballot, petitioners had to file the requisite number of signatures by December 2, 2015, and a supplementary signature petition after the initiatives were considered by the Massachusetts State Legislature. The four certified measures are listed below:

Question 1 would allow the Gaming Commission to issue an additional slots license.

Question 2 would authorize the approval of up to 12 new charter schools or enrollment expansions in existing charter schools by the state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education per year.

Question 3 would prohibit certain methods of farm animal containment.

Question 4 would legalize recreational marijuana for individuals at least 21 years old.

For the initial round of signatures due on December 2, 2015, citizens were required to file at least 64,750 valid signatures for initiated state statutes and initiated constitutional amendments. At least 32,375 valid signatures were required for veto referendums.

Citizens of Massachusetts may initiate legislation through the process of indirect initiative. In Massachusetts, successful petitions are first presented to the Massachusetts General Court. Once presented to the legislature, proposals for amendments and proposals for statutes face distinct requirements. Amendments must be approved by one-fourth of the legislators in joint session before proceeding to the ballot. Statutes may be adopted by the legislature by a majority vote in both houses. If a statute proposed by a valid initiative petition is not adopted, proponents must collect another, smaller round of signatures to place the statute on the ballot. In Massachusetts, citizens also have the power to repeal legislation via veto referendum.

The Massachusetts General Court can also place measures on the ballot as legislatively referred constitutional amendments. The 2016 legislative session ran from January 6, 2016, to July 31, 2016, during which time the Massachusetts State Legislature was able to place legislative referrals on the ballot.

https://ballotpedia.org/Massachusetts_2016_ballot_measures

Since I vote using an absentee ballot, I've already made my decisions and sent them in:

Question 1 - Yes - I don't see the harm in having another slot parlor. No large corporation or group of investors will open one without evidence that they'll make money. If/when all 3 casinos and 2 parlors open and a similar question comes up in the future, I might vote no. I don't want over-saturation.

Question 2 - No - I'm not against the idea of charter schools in theory, but the United States simply doesn't have a system in place that can accommodate both charter and public schools. In the end, it'll just hurt the public schools.

Question 3 - Yes - I like meat, but I also don't want the animals to be tortured for their entire lives.

Question 4 - Yes - As long as the state keeps stoned drivers from behind the wheel of a car, let people smoke. I don't care.
 
question 1 - No, it is written so that there is literally one piece of land in the state that qualifies. And the owner of that land wrote the question. It is literally a handout for the guy.
 
I just went on a horrible date with a woman who works at a charter school --- I'm sorry --- "success academy" --- and I tried to explain to her how the lottery system was racist. She wouldn't have any of it. She also tried to "school" me on race. Like I needed a lesson. It goes without saying that we won't be seeing each other again.
 
I just went on a horrible date with a woman who works at a charter school --- I'm sorry --- "success academy" --- and I tried to explain to her how the lottery system was racist. She wouldn't have any of it. She also tried to "school" me on race. Like I needed a lesson. It goes without saying that we won't be seeing each other again.

Ah man...You went all "charter schools are racist" to a charter school teacher on a first date? Rookie mistake ;)
 
If more white students than minorities sign up for Charter School lotteries how does that make Charter Schools racist? By that measure everyone who moves into suburbs for the good schools is racist. Personally with question 2 I always err on the side of choice. I like the idea of charter schools being closed if they don't meet performance guidelines, however public schools aren't closed if they are poor performing or badly run.
 
Question 1 - No, Suffolk Downs should go full TOD rather than be propped up with slots. Also the idea of such a narrowly written state referendum feels slimy. Firm on this one.

Question 2 - ???, Education policy debates have always put me to sleep, so I have no position on this yet. At some point before the election I need to sit down and read up on it. I'm leaning towards yes on the principle of more options = good, but don't trust the forces behind charter school campaigns.

Question 3 - Yes, this is a rich state with little animal agriculture beyond the artisanal scale. We can afford to pay slightly more to lessen cruelty. Firm on this one.

Question 4 - Yes, I've recently been to three of four states where recreational use and sales are legal and they're significantly better off for having legalized it. Also firm on this one unless there is some nastiness in the way it's implemented - the time it took from mmj passing here to brick and mortar sales to patients was crazy.
 
Ah man...You went all "charter schools are racist" to a charter school teacher on a first date? Rookie mistake ;)
Only after she lectured me on how she knew how to solve racism. She didn't even say "hi, how are you" when she stepped out of her Uber. She just started talking to me about a fight on facebook that she got in with a racist friend of hers. People whom I never even heard of and quite frankly, I don't care.

She just went off about how she pretended to care about black lives and the only time that I was able to get a word in was when I asked "but aren't charter schools considered part of the school to prison pipeline because it relies of the lottery system that leaves some students behind?" And then that's when she went off.

She also mentioned that she got a DUI last year on the date. Guess I'm glad that she does the whole ride sharing thing. Even if it is Uber.
 
Question 1 - No, Suffolk Downs should go full TOD rather than be propped up with slots. Also the idea of such a narrowly written state referendum feels slimy. Firm on this one.

I agree with you, but as Rick Pitino once said, "“Larry Bird’s not walking through that door, fans. Kevin McHale is not walking through that door, and Robert Parish is not walking through that door." Basically, I don't see TOD "walking through that door" right now, but this slot parlor is. I don't think it will necessarily be a fun or exciting place to hang out, but it's a business that will attract customers who want to spend money. It may, to a small degree, increase the vibrancy of the area. People might go to Suffolk downs for the horse races and waste the rest of their money on the slots.
 
Would like to see more on this thread and less on the Presidential Thread.

1. No - As dwash mentioned, it was written by a guy specifically to benefit himself.

2. No - Going with my mom here, who was a public school teacher for ~30 years. It sounds like this would hurt more children than it helps. (think "affordable housing" for schools, where you either win the lottery or else are worse off because of this policy.... at least that's my interpretation)

3. Yes - Those who have no voice (animals) need our support.

4. Yes - Substantially safer than alcohol, no good reason to keep it banned unless you are in the Alcohol, Pharmaceutical, Private Prison, or Cotton industries. (for hemp products) In this case, the archaic laws against marijuana ruin substantially more lives than the substance itself.
 
1. NO - The developer somehow got this question on the ballot just for him, after the local community already voted it down. Sleazy move.

2. YES - This is a tough one, but I think ultimately everyone who wants to send their kid to a charter school should have that option. It also seems like the waiting list is not so long that there will be a rapid expansion of charters like the "no" people seem to think there will be. This question allows for up to 12 new charter schools per year, but it certainly does not require it. Do charter schools hurt public schools in some ways? Yes. Are the current rules and regulations perfect? No. But the legislature is working on fixing these issues.

3. NO - Personally, I always buy cage free eggs, and I think if people can afford it, they should. There is only one farm in MA that does not sell cage free eggs, which is good. However, this question would apply to any eggs sold in MA that were imported from out of state. I am very worried that requiring all eggs sold in MA to be cage free would disproportionately hurt poor people, who cannot afford to pay an extra $1+ for eggs. (Just look at the price difference today.)

4. YES - This is an easy one for me. Police should not have to worry about people smoking pot. It's also currently used as a way for the police to harass people when they have no other obvious reason to, particularly minorities. Legalize it. Regulate it. Tax it. Everyone wins. The "gateway drug" argument is pretty much bunk. Yes there will be issues with people driving while high but we can deal with that just as we deal with drunk driving.
 
Just wanted to make a point of order the comments about Question 1.

...it is written so that there is literally one piece of land in the state that qualifies. And the owner of that land wrote the question. It is literally a handout for the guy.

This is correct. Eugene McCain purchased a trailer park adjacent to the Suffolk Downs parcel, and used the presence of the track (without, it's been reported, the knowledge or consent of the track's ownership), as leverage to make his ballot question "attractive" to the Secretary of the Commonwealth, the Gaming Commission, and ultimately, voters.

I don't think it will necessarily be a fun or exciting place to hang out, but it's a business that will attract customers who want to spend money. It may, to a small degree, increase the vibrancy of the area. People might go to Suffolk downs for the horse races and waste the rest of their money on the slots.

If built, it'll be little more than a Walmart full of slot and poker machines, a real palace. The only vibrancy it'll create will be for of the local law enforcement community. It'll certainly do nothing to measurably enhance the fortunes of Suffolk Downs.

The people of Revere already had to spend ~$70K to fund a special election where this proposal was crushed. My guess is that Mr. McCain will be in a first-class seat on his way back to Thailand on Nov. 9th.
 
I'm philosophically opposed to the ballot initiative process in Massachusetts. But that said, I'm still going to exercise my vote on all of the initiatives put forward, because it is the system we have.

Here's what I've cooked up for Questions 1-3 so far. Haven't written anything about 4 yet, but I'm a YES on that one.

MA Ballot Initiative Roundup Part the First: Should the state licence an additional slots parlor tailored to the Suffolk Downs complex?

Question 1: NO

1. There's currently one slots parlor functioning now in Plainville, MA that is underperforming the state estimations.

2. None of the three full-service casinos have yet come online and there is uncertainty about the nature of the MA casino gambling market and what saturation looks like.

3. This initiative was crafted as a giveaway to the racetrack at Suffolk Downs, which is butthurt that they lost the casino license for Greater Boston to Wynn.

4. The city government of Revere is against this initiative, and wants to move on from the great casino battle royale of 2015.

Look. This shouldn't have made it through the proposal process to begin with. This is about throwing a life float to Suffolk Downs, by giving them a backsies on their failed casino bid. The language of the ballot initiative is worded so specifically about the type of land/facility that would receive this license that Suffolk Downs is one of the only possible locations in the state that would be eligible. The voters have no business changing the state law to save one private enterprise in Revere.

Additionally, the casino market in New England will very likely be oversaturated once all of the planned MA casinos come online and start competing with Foxwoods, Mohegan Sun, and Twin River. Seems stupid for the voters to authorize the state to create another slots license when there's no evidence that the market wants another such facility. It would just be corporate welfare for Suffolk Downs.

Finally, this is exactly the sort of minor meddling in state law that I hate about the initiative process. We have a state government. They passed a casino law. It had many, many provisions in it. If the state wants to alter the details of the casino law, that's the legislature's job. Not the voters'.

Summed up: this initiative is a back-door attempt by supporters of Suffolk Downs to get to voters to provide a casino license after the state rejected their proposal. It's an easy NO unless you're an employee of Suffolk Downs.

MA Ballot Initiative Roundup Part the Second: Should the voters authorize the state Department of Elementary and Secondary Education to release up to twelve charter schools statewide annually, and place them in municipalities at its discretion?

Question 2: NO

1. While it’s technically possible to argue that districts do not lose money to charters, the reality is that the “price per pupil” metric obscures the real costs to school districts who lose students and money to autonomous commonwealth schools operating in-district.

2. The state has largely abandoned the original mission of charter schools as incubators and innovators meant to work with districts.

3. Relatedly, local governments and school committees will have no ability to object or refuse to the placement of a charter that will sap district resources, while providing diminishing state mitigation for the losses, which can lead to instability within a district.

4. While there are indeed long wait lists for charters in certain urban districts, there are similarly long wait lists for spots in high performing district schools as well. Parents want good schools, they don’t care if they’re charters or district.

5. Studies can be cited to support either position on student outcomes at charter schools compared with district schools. The sum and average of the studies suggests that the difference in the dueling impact studies is a wash.

6. Charters are not inherently bad for public education policy, but Q2 is not a responsible way to raise the cap while supporting all students.

Okay, this is one of the “big ones” of this election. Yes, I’m a public school teacher, but I don’t oppose Q2 because I’m some union shill looking to protect my interests on the public dole. In fact, I’m not pleased with the intransigence of the MTA’s leadership over the last two years with regard to negotiations with the administration and the legislature. The MTA is partly responsible for this issue getting punted to the voters in the first place. As I’ve said, the ballot initiative process allows policy negotiators to stonewall one another, giving them an incentive to obviate their responsibility to negotiate in good faith. Charters, school-funding, and other public education policy is much better left to lawmakers than confused voters.

That said, now that we’re here I find the parameters of Question 2 to be a clear NO.

One of the major claims of Yes on 2 is that district schools aren’t actually losing any resources to charters, because of the “price per pupil” formula. The idea here is that if the student is no longer going to the district school, the state money allocated for that student should follow that student to the charter school instead. That’s technically true and logical, but it misses the point that district schools have overhead costs that will stay constant even if the district loses enrollment to charters.

PPP funds don’t “follow” students as an earmark the way Yes on 2 frames it, it’s an abstraction of the state’s education subsidy formula that is reimbursed to district schools as a lump sum for general instructional needs. Yes on 2 advocates point out that the state provides mitigating reimbursements to districts, but that honeypot has been underfunded since 2013.

This gap in funding leads to shortfalls that can fall unevenly throughout a district, leading school consolidations, school closures, teacher layoffs, etc. more difficult to manage in a responsible way, which can further destabilize the district schools, which can then be used to strengthen the charter advocates’ arguments. It’s disturbingly similar to the GOP “we break it so you hate it” model of governance. As long as we fund education the way currently do – with a mix of local taxes and state subsidies – this zero-sum game will not go away.

Charters in Massachusetts were originally intended by the state DOE (now DESE) to serve as incubators and innovators that would operate in parallel to the district schools and have more flexibility to try out new instructional, organizational, and other practices that can be hard to implement in districts with lots of institutional inertia. The state’s role was to be to oversee these charters and facilitate an exchange of best practices between the district and charter schools, as well as investigate scaling successful charter policies to the district level. The state has neglected this function in lieu of taking a more adversarial position with district schools contra charters.

Unless the state recommits to this project in a meaningful way, the addition of charters will only further destabilize, rather than strengthen district schools. In an environment that lacks interscholastic collegiality and state facilitation, expanding the commonwealth charter system opens the door to accelerating the decline in certain district schools and leading down the path toward back-door privatization.

Over 190 school committees in the Commonwealth have come out against Question 2. These are not the local unions, but the elected administrators of the school districts. These elected bodies understand that their district budgets and their communities’ tax bases can’t accept the burden that potential charter schools would create. Local voters, who fund a substantial portion of their district’s school budget would likely see increases in property tax assessments and more override votes if a charter came to town.

As mentioned, charters do indeed have long waiting lists in urban districts, and studies show that MA charters have higher rates of graduation and college enrollment than their peer district schools, but this data is no more valid than the long waiting lists at high performing urban district schools and studies that show such district schools with higher rates of college retainment beyond four semesters. Are there district schools that are failing in Massachusetts? Absolutely, but expansion of charters is not a panacea to solve such issues. Charters regularly do not reflect the demographics of a district, particularly with SPED and ELL enrollment. They are also not obligated to serve such populations the way district schools are, and yet, are judged on the same performance metrics.

Ultimately, given the deep complexity of these issues and the potentially disruptive ramifications, the voters of Massachusetts should vote NO on Question 2. Leave current law intact and signal to the legislature, governor, MTA, and other major players that they need to get their act together and pass an education package.

MA Ballot Initiative Roundup Part the Third: Should the voters prohibit the sale of eggs, veal, or pork of a farm animal confined in spaces that prevent the animal from lying down, standing up, extending its limbs, or turning around?

Question 3: YES

1. Legally allowed conditions for keeping farm animals are not humane or in line with how living creatures should be treated.

2. Raising and keeping farm animals in less confined spaces will be positive for food safety outcomes.

3. Market forces may be pushing in a more humane direction, but that does not mean a codification of our values in law is improper.

4. Effects on food costs are exaggerated and can be mitigated by other policy.

It should go without saying that all animals–even those we farm for food–ought to live their lives with dignity and relative comfort. I believe it’s immoral to see these animals as mere commodities that should be subjected to the amoral calculations of marketplace supply and demand. Certainly it is more profitable to raise and keep these animals in spaces too small for them effectively move about or adjust their position, but it is also a disgusting practice that is largely kept hidden from the public to shield consumers from the realities behind their grocery stores.

Less confined spaces also encourage more sanitation throughout our food systems. Animals that aren’t constantly in their own filth and the filth of others supports a safe food supply chain for all.

There’s a broader conversation to be had here about our food systems and our society’s willful ignorance of food origins, and I recommend Michael Pollan’s writing to keep up that conversation. As for the issue at hand, the morality of Yes on Question 3 from a standpoint of animal welfare is clear.

With that said, let’s turn to some of the No arguments that have been made. One is a basic laissez-faire position, which holds that market forces are already responding to public sentiment on this issue and all but one livestock farm in Massachusetts is already compliant with the proposed law. This position argues that, given voluntary market movement, the voters and the state have no place adding an additional regulation. Not being a free-market-libertarian, I don’t subscribe to this dogma, and I don’t believe that enacting legislation is inappropriate simply because it appears that the market is phasing out a distasteful practice on its own.

Additionally, these practices are not being phased out everywhere. Much of the protein products sold in MA stores come from out of state. This initiative would compel Massachusetts procurers to cease business with out of state farms that use immoral practices.

The most frequent No on 3 argument is that food prices–particularly egg prices–will rise to unacceptable levels, particularly for poor citizens of Massachusetts. These arguments are particularly specious, given that industry’s own studies detail quite small increases in egg prices. Secondly, a better solution to food poverty is to directly target poverty itself, not allow farmers to continue inhumanly treating animals to subsidize the cost of food.
 
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Busses -- I really appreciate your thoughtful post about Question 1, and I too am opposed. With that said, your third point is incorrect -- the proponent has no connection with Suffolk Downs. Richard Fields and Chip Tuttle have actually spoken out against Eugene McCain's proposal.
 
Busses -- I really appreciate your thoughtful post about Question 1, and I too am opposed. With that said, your third point is incorrect -- the proponent has no connection with Suffolk Downs. Richard Fields and Chip Tuttle have actually spoken out against Eugene McCain's proposal.

Right. Officially it has no connection and Suffolk's owners have denounced it. But ultimately that's what this is really about. McCain's intention would be for this facility to complement Suffolk Downs. I admit that I may have been too pointed at Suffolk Downs itself.
 
^^ Understood, and I don't mean to be pedantic about the issue -- there's enough of that around these parts already...

Now, does anyone know how close you can set up a "Bud, Bong & Beyond" from a charter school?
 
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This is a development forum after all, so what always has me a bit confused in the debate over Question 2 is how the rhetoric runs in the complete opposite direction of that around housing development. Now hear me out:...

Whenever any dense housing development is proposed, one of the first arguments against it is that any increase in school-aged children will overwhelm the schools. This is the primary reason why it is so much easier to get senior housing developments approved than it is housing development at large. When the proposed housing is low-income this argument is (disturbingly) made even more prominently. The logic goes that more housing leads to more kids (maybe even, gosh, poor kids), and the existing schools won't have the resources to take in and teach all of these children, leading to a diminished educational experience for everyone.

Question 2, at its core, asks whether we should make it easier to take kids (especially poor kids) out of public schools. But now the argument against it (made by many of the same aforementioned individuals) is that taking kids out of public schools will also harm the public schools because the funds that match those kids will leave too, and schools have fixed costs that don't closely match their student count.

So which one is it? Is it better for public schools to have more kids or is it better to have fewer kids? It can't go both ways. Or is it best to have just the exact number we have now, no more and no less. If so, that's mighty convenient...

My reading is that (primarily) suburban voters like their schools just the way they are, so they always advocate for the status quo on anything related to education. This leads them to oppose development (no more students overwhelming our public schools!) and also oppose charters (no cuts in funding for our public schools!). Urbanites, meanwhile, are not as happy with the status quo when it comes to education and are much more open to charters (and really, charters in Mass only affect a relatively small number of cities) but they are vastly outnumbered by the suburbanites. This is compounded by the fact that charter schools benefit a disproportional number of kids whose parents don't have voting rights. This dynamic--suburban whites have great schools that they don't want changed, while urban minorities have less-great schools and do want changes--makes me very hesitant to vote in support for the status quo.
 
^The argument that it takes money away from suburban school districts is false. The biggest argument that I could make against Charter schools is the fact that most charter schools are non unionized. Therefore the average charter school teacher makes less and works longer hours compared to regular schools. One could argue that this would push the most qualified teachers to the regular schools while the charter schools would be left with the rejects (not saying charter school teachers are bad just stating a theory).

Of course there are reasons to oppose unions. For a good portion of the time I was in High School (in Andover north of the city) the union there was in an unprofessional contract negotiation with the district. The union attempted to derail the High School accreditation process. They also tried to institute "work to rule" where teachers wouldn't do any work outside of their contracted hours (most teachers work longer than they are required too). I will forever distrust unions because of that and therefore I voted yes on question two. I also liked the fact that the city/state can close under-performing charter schools. I think the threat of closure will cause schools to be more innovative and provide a better education.
 
How much dope can I grow if No 4 passes
 

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