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Realized theres no thread for just posting pictures of boston trains, so heres a cool one I came across.

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https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1QJ6QHx9Wv/?mibextid=wwXIfr
 
If anyone wants to geek out on some B&M History, the B&MRRHS is a great treasure trove, and their presentations that they've posted on their YouTube channel are a great watch
I remember the B&M steam locomotives going by where we lived in North Cambridge in the 1950s by the 4-track Fitchburg Division line west of Sherman Street. Loved the cabooses as well. I always wanted to live in one!
 
I guess videos fit here since I dont see a better thread.

I watched that yesterday, probably at about the same time that you posted this. Even if you don't care about the B&M or railroad history, that dude, Rick Kfoury, makes it so interesting. All of the videos he hosts are so well researched and presented.
 
Two inquiries about North Station underground:

1. I am looking for North Station underground station photos before the Green Line construction began in 1997. It doesn’t matter the photo year between 1975 and 1997. I just want an idea of what the underground station looked like pre-Green Line. I can’t seem to search right in Google to find any.

The only one I have found is this one from the booklet THE BUILDING OF A TRANSIT LINE The Massachusetts Bay Transportation HAYMARKET- NORTH EXTENSION PROJECT authored by Francis M. Keville.
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This is facing southbound toward the less used mezzanine at Valenti Way.

2. Was the original underground OL platform built at the current length or did it need to be extended north in the 80s underneath the north mezzanine when the OL went to six cars? Also, was the west side of the station where the GL is now originally just a wall with the space behind it reserved later for a future GL station/connection or had it been partially/fully dug out and then blocked off by a false wall until they built the GL under North Station overground in 95? I’m thinking like Tufts Medical that was built in the mid 60s but left unused until the Southwest Corridor went live 20 years later. What were the major alterations to the OL portion or north/south mezzanine beginning in 1997 to establish it as a “superstation” with the GL addition? Or is all this essentially the same as it was in 75 and all the major changes took place in the GL portion post-97? Thanks.
 
2. Was the original underground OL platform built at the current length or did it need to be extended north in the 80s underneath the north mezzanine when the OL went to six cars?
North Station was originally built for 6 cars, same as Community College thru Oak Grove. Orange had been planned since the 1960's for lengthening to 6 cars, because the SW Corridor realignment was decided on a >20 years before it actually opened and thus 6 cars was already in the works before the Haymarket-north relocation even went into design. Only the four 1908 tunnel stations ended up needing any after-the-fact retrofits because all others were built from the start for it.
 
The only other pre-superstation image I'm familiar with is from 1972 during construction, at almost the exact same spot: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:North_Station_under_construction,_circa_1972.jpg

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Incidentally, the other tunnel stations were originally built with 350-foot platforms. They were designed for 8-car trains of the original 46/47-foot rolling stock, apparently with only some doors open on the end cars (since 8 x 47 = 376). I'm not sure how long 8-car trains were operated; it's not clear whether all the elevated stations were ever modified for 8-car sets. The #11 cars that took over in 1958-1962 were slightly longer (55 feet); I'm not sure if they ever operated as 6-car sets, or only as 4-car sets. The 65-foot #12 cars introduced in 1978-81 only operated as 4-car sets until August 18, 1987, when the first 6-car sets entered operations.
 
Thanks for finding another pic and the platform length/car length history. Of course cameras weren’t as ubiquitous as they are now so not surprised there aren’t that many photos out there. Hopefully others can turn up more.
 
The pre-1997 North Station Orange Line station was very similar to Tufts Medical Center station. They were built at about the same time, presumably designed by the same concern. The original North Station didn't have the south end exits and fare lobby that Tufts does, that was added to North Station during the superstation construction. When they constructed the Green Line addition, I recall they dug out and constructed the tunnels and track areas, and then cut out the original outer wall dividing the two sides. I passed through there on a fairly regular basis back then and remember one day the wall was there, and the next time I went through (probably not the next day, but maybe the next week), it was gone. The tunnel dead ended on the north end of the platform where the portal is now, that was punched out later, after the tunnel under Causeway St was built to connect it to the already-constructed tunnel under the new Boston Garden. If I recall correctly, for a short stretch of time, some branches terminated at North Station (probably the ones that terminated at the surface stop) and turned at the platform, or, after it opened, used the yard under the Garden to turn, while others went up the incline to the El to Science Park and on to Lechmere. And then in 2004, when the Lechmere Viaduct was connected to the tunnel under the Garden, the el and incline were closed and eventually removed.
 
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Thanks yeah the more I look at the station appearance you can get a sense of the layout pre-97 and the expansion along the west side to add in the Green Line.

What else is interesting to me is that for like the first 100 years Haymarket was the natural Green-Orange transfer point (especially before 1971) vs NS whereas since 2004 NS has become the logical transfer over Haymarket.
 

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