Bowker Overpass replacement?

I think a couple of bad aspects about removing this overpass is that Comm ave would have a lot more traffic at that intersection. Also this could create back ups onto Storrow dr when the light is green for Comm Ave. I know some people don't like Storrow at all, but fact is that it is a major artery for Boston and it needs things like over passes to keep the traffic flowing. The MBTA is not going to displace that traffic volume anytime soon. And as far as urban blight goes, I call it character, New York's got plenty of it, god forbid Boston has a little.
 
If engineered correctly the traffic wouldn't back up that much. Also when highways are torn down much of the traffic finds alternative routes (which would have to be taken into consideration if this is a serious option) so the traffic in the affected area won't be as bad as one might think.
 
The fact of the matter is, a) Memorial works perfectly fine, and b) the Pike is hardly at capacity from 93 out to the Allston/Brighton exit (the stretch that would be effected). To tell you the truth, Comm could handle more capacity as well. It's one of the few roads in Boston with well timed lights (really shows how much timing the lights helps).
 
This would obviously go a long way toward connecting Kenmore and the Fenway to the Back Bay. On nice days I used to to walk the Comm Ave Mall instead of taking the T. This overpass creates a hell of a dead area and combined with Mass Ave. cuts the city off from points west. I'd love to see it go. It would also help simplify traffic patterns on Storrow and perhaps even make it possible to reconfigure things over there so that the Charles River Parks can be reconnected.
 
The only problem with Memorial is if coming from 93 it's a long and tedious process to finally get on memorial, unless you start on Storrow and then take the Longfellow over. But why cross over if your already on Storrow and you want to go west. And if this over pass gets torn down, I think the end product will be similar to the Rose Kennedy Prkwy. There will still be a whole lot of roads to cross as a pedistrian and I'm sure it will have some nice suburban shrubbery.
 
The section connecting Memorial to 93/O'Brien isn't half bad. The issue is that you have to stop every five feet. Timing the series of lights behind the Galleria would make a world of difference. Other than that, it's a pretty smooth connection.
 
What are the chances of the overpass actually coming down in the near future? What's the process and who decides?
 
The chances ar probably small, though given the budget problems and the high costs of rebuilding infrastructure in Mass. it would probably be given a consideration in the final plans.

It probably also depends on how bad a shape the over pass is in. If it was falling down, dropping concrete on people and cars, it might make more sense to rip it down, but if it is in ok shape it would just make sense to keep the status quo.
 
"If it was falling down, dropping concrete on people and cars, it might make more sense to rip it down, but if it is in ok shape it would just make sense to keep the status quo"

It was dropping concrete on people and cars with visible holes directly through the deck. That's why the state is currently wasting 50 million dollars to do emergency repairs.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing the western half of the block of Comm Ave between Charlegate E & W developed....the north side of Comm Ave would be a great place for an elementary school, though the city doesn't think the Back Bay should have one. The neighbors sould scream though, as that is destryoing green-space, never mind its not usable now.
 
Also, I would hope they would find a clever way to re-incorporate Newbury back into the grid. This would eliminate some of the existing traffic on Mass Ave and Comm Ave (and even Beacon and Boylston), so the additional traffic created by removing the overpass wouldn't be as noticable.
 
Nothing will ever be built over that stretch of Commonwealth Avenue as it is protected (it wasn't when the Bowker was built) as part of the Emerald Necklace and a wetland flood control area.

Back Bay had public school, the city sold it off and it is now condos and retail stores on Newbury Street. Many of the local schools the city had were torn down for crummy parks or sold off as excess properties once busing was instituted. Besides, do you really think people living in Back Bay are going to send their darling rich children to a BPS hellhole?
 
Maybe....I did for a year (1st grade), then switched him to private.....the key to launching a successful public school would be to slowly roll it out one grade per year, Kindergarten the first year, K&1 the second year, etc....

While it is expensive overhead in the short term, the total amortized cost wouldn't be that bad over the lifecycle of a school.
 
It would be hard to fully reintegrate Newbury Street into the grid, since there still needs to be an overpass above the Mass Pike and adjoining railroad tracks. Even the original pre-Bowker street plan interrupted Newbury Street here.
 
http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...uture_of_bowker_overpass_near_kenmore_square/
The 12-foot pothole that ruptured across the offramp of an elevated roadway near Kenmore Square yesterday sent debris raining down on the Muddy River and snarled traffic in the area during the morning commute. It also renewed attention on the Bowker Overpass, a 1960s relic that some neighbors and officials call an eyesore that should be removed.

Heavily used, if not well-known by name, the Bowker is the overpass that connects Storrow Drive to Boylston Street, crossing Beacon Street, Commonwealth Avenue, the Massachusetts Turnpike, and Ipswich Street; an array of onramps and offramps gives it a tentacled look from the sky.

Yesterday, the roughly foot-wide, 12-foot-long pothole opened on an offramp that feeds Charlesgate East and Commonwealth Avenue, forcing the state to close the ramp for about 4 1/2 hours to temporarily patch it with steel plates. That prompted a flurry of comments on Twitter and elsewhere, with one motorist deeming it an ?early winner for the Boston Pothole of the year.??

The state planned to return last night to fill the hole with hot-mix asphalt, said Adam Hurtubise, a spokesman for the De partment of Transportation.

No one was hurt when the debris fell, because it cascaded into the river and onto the grass nearby. The parts of the Bowker that pass above traffic and pedestrian areas have been shielded with plywood after a football-sized chunk of concrete fell and struck a windshield in 2009, Hurtubise said.

The overpass is still considered safe, state officials said, though the deck has been deemed structurally deficient. The Bowker is not included in either the state?s annual road and bridge budget or the Accelerated Bridge Program, a $3 billion plan enacted on Beacon Hill in 2008.

Transportation officials are now considering whether to transfer savings from other projects to cover more Bowker repairs, intended to last five years. That would take the half-mile-long overpass to its 50th birthday, and allow state officials time to consider whether the Bowker should be rebuilt or replaced.

Some neighbors, business owners, and officials hope the overpass will be eliminated as a vestige of mid-20th-century highway construction, an era that favored suburban commuters at the expense of urban aesthetics. The Bowker blots out Charlesgate, the historic Emerald Necklace park that Frederick Law Olmsted designed to link the Back Bay Fens and the Charles River.

?It?s just been a blight on that section of the city,?? said Boston City Councilor Michael P. Ross, who represents the area. He likened the Bowker to the Fitzgerald Expressway, the elevated section of Interstate 93 that bisected downtown Boston before the Big Dig.

A Friends of the Charlesgate group has been gathering signatures to urge the state to consider leaving overpasses only above Storrow and the Pike, while sending traffic to surface roads in between. They say selective widening, roadway engineering, and retiming of lights could accommodate traffic, saving money and restoring the beauty of Charlesgate. It would also reconnect Kenmore and the Back Bay.

?This is a historic opportunity for the state and the city to rectify a terrible urban highway decision from the 1960s and restore a beautiful parkland, the Charlesgate,?? Hef Fisher, one of the leaders of the Friends group, said by e-mail. ?It is time to give back to the city of Boston its ?gateway to the Charles? as envisioned?? by Olmsted.

State Representative Martha M. Walz, a Back Bay Democrat, said the prospect is worth exploring.

?The idea of tearing down the overpass is worth studying, so that we understand how we can manage traffic and potentially eliminate an eyesore,?? she said. ?It may be quite feasible.??

The overpass was built for $3.5 million and dedicated in October 1966, named for the late Philip G. Bowker, a state senator from Brookline who had served as associate commissioner of the Metropolitan District Commission. The MDC and its successor, the Department of Conservation and Recreation, managed the overpass until 2009, when it was turned over to the expanded Department of Transportation.

That department is contemplating projects to downsize, where appropriate, some of what state Secretary of Transportation Jeffrey B. Mullan has called ?over-engineered?? and ?structure-intensive solutions?? ? elevated or depressed 20th-century highways that were built for more traffic than necessary, without consideration for bicyclists and pedestrians. The list includes the Casey Overpass in Jamaica Plain, the McGrath-O?Brien Highway in Cambridge and Somerville, and Rutherford Avenue in Charlestown.

Department officials have not commented specifically on Bowker?s future, but the elevated structure has been controversial since it debuted. A story in the Globe in 1965 marveled at its potential to ?break one of the worst traffic bottlenecks in the city,?? but two years later, the architectural historian and author Bainbridge Bunting criticized the overpass for having ?desecrated one of the loveliest city parks in America.??


Friends of the Charlesgate:
http://charlesgateparkfriends.wordpress.com/history-of-the-charlesgate/
Petition:
http://charlesgateparkfriends.wordpress.com/petition/
 
Yes, for chrissakes PLEASE. And build a Pike off-ramp in the Kenmore area while making the Allston exit toll-free on the westbound side so the former Bowker traffic coming from purely downtown gets traded off and then some onto a far better-equipped and less-congested expressway stretch. That would make the traffic levels on Charlesgate manageable as a Bowker replacement with intersections.
 
There is a group looking into adding more ramps to the back bay from the turnpike. I don't know what the status is but better connections to long woodwood and direct access to some Fenway red sox garages above the pike would be great. I agree the pike should be free after Alston with a connection to Storrow Drivem moving most of Storrow's traffic to the pike
 
I think that any major renovations of the Bowker overpass, Longfellow bridge, and Storrow Drive have been stymied by Back Bay residents, led by their fearless leader, Marty Walz, who say they don't want anything changed but everything made better. So, they continue to make spot emergency repairs without planning for the future. This happened when the roadway gave way on Storrow, hitting a car. Instead of immediately going to work on a plan to fix it, they simply patched it up.

They've spent millions to patch up the Longfellow bridge, pushing forward any plans for major design (which are moving at a glacial pace, no?).

What is bound to happen is a catastrophe followed by emergency road closures at which point something will be done.
 
Longfellow work can't start until Craigie Bridge is finished, later this spring. You don't want two major bridges shut down or constricted at once.
 

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