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Did I say good? I meant decent. I simply like the idea of having a series of interconnected parks, greenways, etc. I thinks its healthy for urban areas and it'll prove its merit as time goes by. Plus when I orginally saw the plan I just thought the park would a flat exapanse of grass. The stream and berms at least add some intrest. Actually I find them quite intriguing. You can't argue taste.

As far as what was discussed previously. I know they are copies of the Back Bay model. Yes its a neighborhood I know and love but Im really not sure you can use those models today. I mean they were planned 150 years ago, economics and building practices were different. I agree the site could use more density and finely scaled buildings. But I thought some plans floated here lacked open space and looked a little bleak. I'm assuming that the quality of construction and architecture would be far below the Back Bay. It seems that the row house has fallen out of fashion; or economically it doesn't make much since in places like Boston where land is so expensive and developers are trying to maximize proft. I'm trying to embrace the modern model and see what works and what can be improved upon. North Point aint half bad.
 
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I suppose this park will be ok for walkers and joggers, who will pass through it in about 1 minute, and old people, who will just sit on a bench, and dog walkers. But without a little bit of flat ground no one will be throwing frisbees or balls around. And that kind of activity allways makes a park a little better.
 
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Indeed - the park is poorly designed for what surrounds it at this time. If the plans to build up this whole area as it's own little neighborhood come to fruition then maybe the park will get more traffic and use. Even if the neighborhood itself isn't of the best design in our opinions, you know potential buyers will look at it as a whole and say "wow - we have our own park" as short-sighted as that might be. The whole thing reminds me of Charles River Park: Part Deux.
 
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Yes, they definitely should incorporate "Charles River Park" into the name for Northpoint. How about "Charles River Park North" or "Charles River Park Annex"?

Just like Charles River Park, NorthPoint is just another towers-in-the-park and suburb-in-the-city type development. How unfortunate.
 
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I remember the whole NorthPoint project originally promoted as new "neighborhoods" with retail and such. Has it just been the breakdown of the project that has caused it to feel so isolated?
 
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Yes - it's just like Fan Pier in this regard: the "plan" is for a vibrant mini-neighborhood, and the reality is that you have two stubby condo blocks in the middle of nowhere. Personally, I love the architecture of these two condo properties and think they look great and change throughout the day based on sunlight/shade - they're good properties that would be great properties if built within the vibrant 24-hour neighborhood proposed.

The same effect is taking its toll on Fan Pier. The plan is for a vibrant mini-neighborhood (9 blocks I think) but the reality is that there is going to be one, lonely little stubby office box sitting out there on those parking lots for the foreseeable future.

Construction phasing is the enemy of these sprawling mixed-use developments. Maybe in ten years or so Northpoint and Fan Pier will be hip little enclaves - but for now, they are lonely buildings standing amidst vast seas of nothing.
 
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Personally, I love the architecture of these two condo properties and think they look great and change throughout the day based on sunlight/shade - they're good properties that would be great properties if built within the vibrant 24-hour neighborhood proposed.

Are we thinking about the same buildings? They look like the cheapest-looking buildings thrown up in recent memory. Terrible plastic architecture that has little aesthetic value.
 
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Any neighborhood, including some of Boston's best ones, develope(d) over time. As you mentioned, maybe in a few years the areas you mentioned will become vibrant. But North Point lacks any density and really lacks purpose. There is no reason for anyone to go there other than to live. There will be no "destination" traffic like, and because of the location there will be no real through traffic from other locations. Those two factors are in large part what make Beacon Hill, the North End and Back Bay so great. That and years and years of evolution.

That is also why I think Fan Pier and the seaport stands a fighting chance. There are other reasons to visit that area. There's the courthouse, concerts, museums, trade shows, restaurants, and the water front in general. I have high hopes for that area.... not so much for CRP v2.0 (North Point). But being the optimist that I am, I still have my fingers crossed that NP eventually thrives.
 
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I'm glad CRP has matured over time into such an active urban neighborhood! I can't wait to go hang out at its bustling street cafes and sashay down its packed, vibrant sidewalks!

Time heals all wounds, unless the wounds led to deep scars (the Greenway) or amputations (the destruction of the West End)...
 
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I don't mind the look of the building, but it fails miserably in how it relates to the street and sidewalk. Are they trying to isolate this building from the street on purpose? Very uninviting from a pedestrian point of view. If you fill N. Point up with this type of building, it will not succeed as an urban neighborhood.
 
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I assume the fence is there because the building is unfinished and unoccupied?
 
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Even if the fence is removed, it appears there is an elevated plaza with planting bunkers between the building and the sidewalk. Its like a mini pre-renovated pru center.
 
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The pictures inspired me and I went to visit today

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And the big dig park, which was really nice
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My only complaints about the parks are:

Theres a path that leads to a place where a bridge should go, to get across the river. Theres a fence in the way, because theres no bridge.

Theres a very nice bike path, bidirectional with bright lines and even strips to indicate a curve....but its very short, and its obvious its emant to go somewhere else.
 
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this could be the explanation for the missing bridge:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...11/25/on_the_charles_new_parks_missing_links/

By Peter DeMarco
Globe Correspondent / November 25, 2007

It all looked so promising 15 years ago, when $80 million seemed like more money than anyone could possibly spend on bike paths and parklands.
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The year was 1993, and to make amends for building a massive bridge across the Charles River, state officials in charge of the Central Artery/Tunnel Project pledged the then-unprecedented sum toward revitalizing the river's "lost half-mile," the stretch between Monsignor O'Brien Highway by the Museum of Science and the Charlestown Bridge that had been an industrial dumping ground for decades.

But as with nearly all things Big Dig, the budget, it turned out, wasn't nearly enough to pay for what was envisioned.

The Central Artery had the funds to construct three impressive parks along the New Charles River Basin, two in Boston and one in Cambridge. But little else that was promised - the pedestrian bridges linking the parks together, basketball and tennis courts, additional parklands, improvements to historic dam buildings - ever materialized.

In just five weeks, the Central Artery/Tunnel Project will come to an official end, as the administration that guided one of the world's biggest construction jobs will dissolve Dec. 31 into its overseeing body, the Massachusetts Turnpike Authority.

Without the missing links - among them, lengthy pedestrian bridges on the north and south banks of the river looping over North Station's railroad tracks, and a pedestrian bridge across the river - some of the paths go nowhere, and the parks that have been built are dead ends.

At best, it appears there is enough money left to pay for just one of the bridges, the north bank bridge, which would link Cambridge's North Point Park to Charlestown's Paul Revere Park.

"Without those bridges, without those connections, this looks like a boondoggle," said Bob Zimmerman, executive director of the Charles River Watershed Association. "Without access to these last half-mile of parks, which are absolutely stunning, nobody will figure out how to get to them. And once you're there, you're not really certain how you're going to get out of there."

So, what went wrong?

The most obvious glitch was North Point Park's mildly contaminated soil, which required $14 million to be spent on environmental remediation. In addition, logistical and technical issues plagued the river basin's biggest pedestrian bridges. An awkward division of labor didn't help: While the Central Artery built and paid for the basin's parks and paths, a different agency, the state Department of Conservation and Recreation, was responsible for designing them.

Dan Wilson, a volunteer member of the Citizens Advisory Committee for the New Charles River Basin since 1995, points to the 2006 tunnel collapse, when a Jamaica Plain woman was killed and $54 million spent to repair faulty tunnel ceilings, as a factor. "I think we probably had a good chance of getting some additional money from the Turnpike to finish the basin, but I think that chance evaporated with that accident," he said. "That was a budget-buster."

In June, a leaders of a dozen community groups sent a letter to Big Dig officials asking them to agree to a "priority spending plan" for the remaining river basin projects. The list included just six items. They got no response.
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On what's arguably the most important remaining pedestrian bridge - a complex, 960-foot passing above the railroad tracks between Cambridge and Charlestown, the lowest bid from a contractor came in way over budget - at $15 million, about $9 million more than was anticipated. The Artery now believes it will cost about $24 million to build the footbridge and basic pathways leading to and from it, plus a few million more for a DCR maintenance facility, leaving almost nothing left over for anything else.

When Fred Yalouris, director of architecture and urban design for the Turnpike Authority's Central Artery project, broke the news to activists at an Oct. 30 public meeting, the disappointment was palpable.

Yalouris said a new contract request will be put out to bid for the pedestrian bridge by Jan. 1. With any luck a lower bid will be submitted, he said, and some of the smaller items can be added back in.

As for the basin properties, the Turnpike Authority is committed to building the north bank bridge and whatever else is included in the Jan. 1 bid, Yalouris said. But, he stressed, the agency is under no obligation to do anything beyond that.

What more can be done if state officials don't come through? Potentially, a few things.

Robert O'Brien of the business-oriented Downtown North Association, and Joel Bard, chairman of the New Charles River Basin Citizens Advisory Committee, have sent a letter to the Legislature asking for a one-time appropriation of $10 million to restore the cuts announced at the Oct. 30 meeting. But the Legislature would need to act before Dec. 31, O'Brien said, for the Turnpike Authority to administer the funds.

Wilson said it's possible that an interested party - or even state environmental officials - could file a lawsuit against the Central Artery to enforce the 1993 environmental mitigation requirements, which included the missing pedestrian bridges.

Others say it will be up to private developers to eventually build the missing pieces of the New Charles River Basin.

The role model would be Lovejoy Wharf, whose developer, Ajax Management Partners LLC of Lexington, is spending nearly $10 million on a wide pedestrian veranda along the Charles River that will connect to Central Artery-built basin pieces. Massachusetts General Hospital and other North Station developers could also be asked to pitch in money, to a general basin fund, when ordered by the city of Boston to pay construction mitigation fees.

If Spaulding Rehabilitation Hospital is sold in the near future, as some expect it will be, its developer will likely be asked to help pay for the missing south bank pedestrian bridge, expected to cost $15 million to $20 million.

None of those solutions, however, appear imminent. Thanks to the Central Artery and the DCR, the New Charles River Basin is vastly improved over the industrial no-man's land it had been for decades. But for the foreseeable future, the basin's missing links will remain just that - missing.
 
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The pictures inspired me and I went to visit today
Heh I went around there today too and I really do like the park but there's hardly any foot traffic there. Seems almost like a waste.
 
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The park looks beautiful, but every time I see pictures of it, there seem to be no human beings in sight haha
That makes me sad
 
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The park looks beautiful, but every time I see pictures of it, there seem to be no human beings in sight haha
That makes me sad

There were 10 other people there, more than I expected based on the lack of connections to the area and how its totally hidden.

The roads nearby however had dozens of cars parked, and dozens of no parking signs to accompany them. Someone needs to send a tow truck to the area.
 
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Well haha is my way of showing that I am joking/being sarcastic
 

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