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how much did CALPERS pay WINN?.

Do you think that they were made whole. I hear that $40mm plus has been expensed (soft and hard)?
 
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Fascinating resume Ned.
You obviously care a great deal about the city and it's urban fabric.

I realize it is not an air-rights project but do you have any interest in helping us save the Shreve Crump & Low buildings?

I guess it all depends on whether the Shreve Crump & Low building is in his "backyard" and whether that development will impact his property value/quality of life. That is typically how these "concerned citizens" operate.

Not criticizing - just saying.
 
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^^ That's what I'm trying to find out.

If he hops on board and lends his expertise in dealing with various developers, government agencies, media and community groups then, yes, he is an honest urban activist who cares about the city as a whole and it's urban fabric.

If not, we've called his bluff.
 
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Thanks, Statler.

It seems a good idea to save as much of the Shreve Crump & Low building as possible.

But the Columbus Center proposal remains one of Boston's most complex, troubled, and secretive government-sponsored projects, and I should stay focused on it so long as journalists, legislators, government agencies, and community leaders continue asking me where they need to go to find the facts.

If SC&L remains an issue after Columbus Center is no longer an issue, by all means just phone me.
 
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Sadly the SC&L buildings will most likely be a pile of rubble in a landfill by the time the Columbus Center mess gets sorted out, but thanks for the offer to help.
 
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Q-55. How much did CalPERS pay Winn?
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Page 22 of the CalPERS-CUIP-MURC-CWCC contract shows Winn sold his Columbus Center project and multiple Columbus Center companies to CalPERS-CUIP-MURC for $35,000,000 plus interest at 12%/annum, compounded quarterly, from 1 May 2006 until paid.

But as the controlling owner, CalPERS later made two major changes.

(1) CalPERS delayed paying Winn?s sale price for about 1.5 years. CalPERS spokesperson Alan Eisner (617-248-2800) should be able to confirm the final payment date and total amount that CalPERS paid to get control of the project away from Winn.

(2) CalPERS decided to delay Winn?s post-construction profits. The original lease called for paying Winn his profits before paying MTA their profits, but the people who now control the project ? MTA as landlord and CalPERS as tenant/developer ? recently decided to pay post-construction profits to CalPERS first, MTA second, and Winn last.
 
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Sorry for asking what may be an ignorant question, but it seems that CalPERS is just the equity (limited) partner, and Winn is the general partner, who essentially maintains a very limited equity stake (as likely required by CalPERS), and will receive most of their profits from developer's fees (perhaps 10% of total soft and hard costs).....um, so the question is, what's so unusual about this?

I've skimmed several pages now trying to figure out what makes this different from thousands of large scale (and small scale) projects going on all across the country, at least from an ownership standpoint?
 
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Q-56. What?s so unusual about the CalPERS-CUIP-MURC-CWCC pyramid?
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This corporate structure is unusual because the Columbus Center venture poses as 100% privately owned, but it?s controlled by government agencies from two different states: MTA as landlord/profit-sharer and CalPERS as tenant/developer. This is rarely allowed in America, although more common in other countries.

The ownership questions also arose because in the 11 years before CalPERS took over, Winn used over 50 different corporate names for Columbus Center, so many people, including some forum members, naturally were confused about the owners? identities and the corporate structure. Winn sold everything over two years ago, but even today some forum members still refer to Winn as the owner in charge. So some clarification was necessary.
 
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This is indeed like scratching poison ivy, but it's difficult to resist.

Q49a) Who is Ned Flaherty?

He's a neighbor who has (to his credit) attended every last meeting and read every last document. He also has (not to his credit) fought against Columbus Center tooth and nail from the beginning. Despite his protestations on this forum that he is pro-air rights development, he has continued to insist on changes that would make CC economically impossible (e.g., he was highly vocal from the start about wanting far less height on Parcel 16, about forcing the developer to cover the rail tracks, adding to the park space, etcetera). Is he a NIMBY who really opposes this project because it will block views from his building? Or is he just extremely unsophisticated in construction economics? Forum readers may draw their own conclusions.

Q7b) Does anyone other than Ned Flaherty believe that construction costs over land and air are equivalent?

Um, no. At least no civil engineer worth a nickel would contend that. The 2001 engineering study that Mr. Flaherty cites does not draw the conclusion that he ascribes to it. Indeed, the Columbus Center project represents a mix of air-rights and nearby land-based development - the big tower and much of the development is sited on land immediately adjacent to the highway, not over it, and for a reason! A project that is saddled with the added costs of building a highway deck, park amenities, etcetera, is disadvantaged economically relative to a solid-land project without such burdens, which is the fundamental reason why CC is stalled, while the Clarendon, one block away, is well underway (despite starting the planning process several years later). Folks, if it was that easy to build over the Pike, the damned thing would have been decked from Chinatown to Newton many years ago, and you'd see buildings on top of highways in every city in America. The reality is that the limited air rights development that has occurred in Boston (the Pru/Copley project) was heavily subsidized. Indeed, air rights development only works in areas where psf values are extremely high ... NYC, Chicago, perhaps (to be seen) Boston (in the next cycle, perhaps, and probably with a bit of government subsidy/push).

Q97c) Is CalPERS some shady organization and is this a sleazy pyramid scheme foisted upon us by Arnold Schwarzenegger's Terminator?

Uh, no on that, too. Frankly, the involvement of CalPERS should give us greater confidence that this is set up properly, because CalPERS has historically been a very principled investor with high standards for responsible disclosure. Frankly, CalPERS faces regulatory and legislative scrutiny in a way that a private entity does not. They invest massive amounts of money in all sorts of different investment vehicles (real estate is a small part of their portfolio - CalPERS funds in fact are critical to Boston-based mutual fund companies and private equity firms that are a bedrock of our local economy). I won't waste more space here - I presume anyone interested can start with the Wiki and could go on to read the volumes that have been written about CalPERS.

Also, not to be overly snotty, but the difference between an LP and a GP is NOT whether or not your Japanese sedan comes with the sport suspension and a sunroof. Again, I'd encourage those interested to do some off-line research and not to rely upon Mr. Flaherty's posts as a guide to corporate structures.

Q97d) Did the developer appoint his own review committee?

No on that one too. Did the mayor appoint a committee with an eye toward membership that would be in favor of development? Absolutely! Regulars to this forum will understand why. But to my knowledge, these folks were not known to Winn, and in at least some cases, those who voted in favor of the project are not personally very fond of the developers.

Q347x) Why hasn't this been built?

CC hasn't been built because it has always been a pretty tricky proposition, economically, even before the run-up in raw materials costs and the real estate downturn. It has indeed (as Mr. Flaherty correctly points out) benefitted from some amount of political favoritism (starting with the no-bid process, continuing through support for greater height, and more recently extending to the proposed funding support) because the Mayor and others really would like to see more of the Pike covered.

If this all were as easy and as profitable as Mr. Flaherty continues to imply, it would be under construction right now. Winn and CalPERS and the banks could either push on or sell their stakes to some other entity who would reap the rewards. Even the conspiracy theorists among us must recognize that these businesses exist to make money, and as of now, CC has been a cost pit that doesn't produce a red cent of income.

Q1009e) Should we take everything you read on the internet as fact if it is presented in a well-organized Q and A format and is well-written and surrounded by some number of documented facts and random figures?

I think all of us on here are intelligent enough to conclude on that.
 
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I like the discourse going on here, I just ask people to keep it civil as we all know how heated these arguments can get (this isn't directed to anyone in particular, just everyone.)
 
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There are always two sides (or more) to every story...thanks to "In the Hood" for providing another side to N. Flaherty's version of the story. It's obvious to me who's version is closer to the truth...but in the end, sadly, it really doesn't matter who's version is correct for it looks like one of the best development projects ever proposed for the city of Boston might not become a reality and that's the real tragedy. This was an awesome project and shame on all those who had anything to do with it's failure.
 
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If the cost of building on land was the same as over the turnpike then the pru and colpley place would have been built over the turnpike. The main buildings are on land not over the pike, and I beleive that is also tru with columbus center. Only small buildings are built over the actual pike.
 
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(late pass) I was just looking over the renderings again: what's the low long building that looks like a motel furthest away from the JHT? Furthest east I guess it would be.
 
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I believe that's a parking garage, skirted by townhouses on two sides. It abuts the train tracks, which are left open to the sky.
 
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thanks beton, this makes me miss this project even less. Send it out to bid again and see what happens.
 
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thanks beton, this makes me miss this project even less. Send it out to bid again and see what happens.

The parking was originally part of the Tower, but in an effort to work with the community and keep the height of the tower down they moved all the parking to parcel 18. And even though most of the parcel is a garage, It will be surrounded by townhouses on Arlington, Cortes, and Berkley Streets. So from the street it wouldn't have even been visible.
 
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thanks beton, this makes me miss this project even less. Send it out to bid again and see what happens.
Nothing will happen. And if someone does indeed rebid and succeed, the costs of the deck are going to leave you with a project looking like Rosenthal's One Kenmore, maybe worse.
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If Columbus Center is not built, the next decking of the Turnpike will be out in Allston where deep pockets Harvard will deck the railroad tracks and the Turnpike (as it already owns the land) and meld the N. Allston campus with BU and help build part of the Urban Ring.

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And Mr. Flaherty is not merely a neighbor, he is about as close as you can get to being a residential abutter to the high part of Columbus Center.
 
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Forum members often make puzzlingly incorrect statements. It seems people are citing a proposal they don?t have, from hearings they didn?t attend, about violating a master plan they haven?t read, for a lease they never saw.

Two recent examples regard the 626-car parking garage on Parcel 18.

So from the street it wouldn't have even been visible.

As seen in the rendering drawn by California?s Columbus Center architects, ?View towards garage from Chandler Street?, the 4-story, 626-car garage (brown structure at top center) is clearly visible from most of the first block of Chandler Street, between Tremont and Berkeley Streets. (Image from Final Environmental Impact Report by CWCC, page 167 of 1,331, 15 May 2003.)

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As seen in the model created and photographed by California?s Columbus Center architects, the Parcel 18 garage (long gray structure on right parcel overlooking 7 exposed rail lanes) is visible at street level from Tremont Street, Arlington Street, Chandler Street, and Ellis Playground Park. (Image from from ?Building on the Pike?, Boston Globe, 19 March 2006).

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to keep the height of the tower down

The tower was first proposed on 9 March 2001 at 38 stories, and the lease was signed on 2 May 2006 at 35 stories. So, the height wasn?t ?kept down? to any meaningful extent.

they moved all the parking to parcel 18

No parking was ever moved to Parcel 18. That parcel was proposed, reviewed, and approved to hold a 626-car parking garage, as shown in the lease signed 2 May 2006:

Parcel 16: 186 car spaces
Parcel 17: 098 car spaces
Parcel 18: 626 car spaces
___Total: 910
 
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coming from someone who thinks parking garages are a blot on an urban fabric, that is one of the less offensive and less conspicuous parking garages i've seen. and the fact that it's up against the railroad tracks -- it's really an admirable parking garage as far as those beasts go.

thanks for all the info you've provided, ned. one quick question: are you opposed to the proposed height (38, then 35 stories) of the main building? if so, why -- and if not, what is the biggest problem in your opinion with the development? is it the opacity that you say the project is characterized by?
 
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Q-57. Why did the new owners depart instead of build?
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Because the former owners got caught lying about subsidies, which left their project: (1) largely un-subsidized, (2) exceeding the new owner?s cost and risk limits, and (3) with no commercial bank financing.

From 1997-2003, just to get approved, the original owners dishonestly told the public, media, and government that they?d use no subsidies. They reiterated that promise in their written proposal (15 May 2003) and in the media. (See ?Developers decry data disclosure?, Boston Globe, 16 May 2003.)

Behind the scenes, however, the original owners always planned to get massive subsidies:

■ ?[Partner-in-charge Roger] Cassin acknowledged he didn?t broadcast the fact that he intended to seek public assistance, but said he never ruled it out.? (See ?Columbus Center seeking $50m?, Boston Globe, 14 December 2005.)
■ ?From the get-go, public support was always built into this project,? said Alan Eisner, a Winn spokesman.? (See ?Columbus Center wins tax credits worth millions?, Boston Globe, 30 June 2006.)

After lying about subsidies, they got caught. (See ?Politics of pork?, Boston Globe, 9 November 2005.)

The original owners then sold their proposal ? with its purported subsidies ? to California. But two years after that sale, the project exceeds CalPERS-CUIP-MURC?s maximum project size, the project exceeds CalPERS-CUIP-MURC?s maximum investment risk, no subsidies have been disbursed, the project doesn?t meet commercial bank lending criteria, and no bank loans have been disbursed.

Now Governor Patrick has on his desk 9 unapproved subsidy requests to waste $116 million of Massachusetts funds paying California?s costs and profits.

The forum member who wrote, ?shame on all those who had anything to do with its failure? meant to blame people who criticized the proposals and the public process. But any such blame would be misplaced, because public criticism had little effect on the owners or their proposal.

In truth, Columbus Center?s mortal wound was inflicted by its owners, when they checkmated and stalemated their own business plan by lying about subsidies ? first in Massachusetts, and then in California.

Q-58. Which seats did the developer own on the Mayor?s Citizens Advisory Committee?
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On 1 June 1997, Mayor Menino signed a Memorandum-of-Understanding drafted by the developers? attorneys that gave the developers ownership of most seats on the Mayor?s so-called Citizens Advisory Committee.

Then the development team began choosing and interviewing people to install into the committee seats that they owned. The developers notified MTA who they wanted, MTA notified BRA, BRA told Mayor Menino who he was allowed to appoint, and the mayor sent 7 appointment letters to:

? government affairs director Joy Conway
? real estate attorney Cynthia Keliher
? real estate broker John Neale
? labor union electrician Perry Yee
? tax attorney Christine Colley
? architect Jim Alexander
? architect David Hacin

The 4 public members democratically nominated by their communities were:

? Back Bay Architectural Commission chair & Back Bay Association delegate Tony Gordon
? South End Ellis Neighborhood Assn. delegate John Kiger, replaced by attorney Mark Grossman, replaced by architect Peter Pogorski
? attorney & Neighborhood Assn. of the Back Bay past president Fred Mauet
? South End attorney Mark Merante

On every major issue, members in the developer-owned seats voted as the developer wished. The public never had a chance.

Q-59. Is CalPERS ?shady? or ?sleazy??
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No. CalPERS is neither ?shady? nor ?sleazy.? Those terms were introduced by another forum member, not by me. CalPERS is an experienced investor, charged with protecting $240 billion that provides California public employees with pensions and health care.

Precisely because of its experience and cautiousness, CalPERS did 7 things:

(1) Held back $35 million from Winn for 1.5 years (starting 01 May 2006).
(2) Demanded a looser lease, lower rent, and larger subsidies (on 18 August 2006).
(3) Moved Winn?s post-construction profits from 2nd-in-line to last-in-line (announced 29 February 2008).
(4) Asked Massachusetts to subsidize California?s profits with 9 subsidies (in March 2008).
(5) Pulled laborers and equipment off the site (on 26 March 2008).
(6) Threatened to never return if they don?t get their way (on 26 March 2008).
(7) Demanded Governor Patrick ?guarantee? their subsidies (on 27 March 2008).

The behavior of CalPERS managers toward Winn, MTA, and Governor Patrick reveals that they have lost confidence in whatever they bought from Winn two years ago. And no commercial banker has shown any confidence at all; even CalPERS? deep pockets couldn?t cure that.

Q-60. Is there a cost savings or a cost premium for air-based versus land-based construction?
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For over a decade, I have been urging the state and its developers to publish an independent, definitive study comparing all costs ? and all savings ? of both air-based and land-based construction methods.

That would prove the extent of this long-rumored ?deck premium? and it would put the issue to rest for once and for all.

But no such study was ever done. Why did the owners refuse?

If there were any cost premium, they would have jumped at the chance for a study, because it would have reduced controversy and hastened approval of their no-bid, no-disclosure proposal. But they know there is no cost premium ? they originated the notion ? and that publishing a credible study would just raise their rent.

Q-61. Does ?master plan compliance? equal ?project changes??
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No. There?s no record of me ever asking for any proposal changes, because I never did. I have urged nothing more than compliance with the Turnpike Master Plan (which cost $1 million and 2 years to create).

It?s unfair for forum members to label a community?s desires for master plan compliance as ?changes? ? as though compliance is nothing more than last-minute, unnecessary frivolities.

To be fair, all the ?changes? actually came from the developers, who after studying the Turnpike Master Plan for 2 years (1999-2000), simply ignored it, degraded their potentially compliant proposal into a non-compliant one, and replaced the required 2-acre public park with a 626-car garage.

When it was discovered that the developers omitted all mention of UFP (ultrafine particulate matter) air pollution, I did ask MTA to add available technology to the 14 exhaust vents. That would keep transportation corridor communities from becoming any more unhealthy than other areas. Otherwise, people working and living there will suffer a ten-fold increase in UFP air pollution exposure, which every public health professional knows dramatically increases illness, hospitalization, lost wages, and premature death.
 
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