Copley Square Revamp | Back Bay

It looks so uninviting... like a corridor you pass through on your way to something else. I hate modern public use / park design.
To me it looks very high tech and sterile. Maybe after a few years of hopefully some plants being planted, plus weathering of the white glossy walkways, it will look more personable.
 
How much is the City paying for this recent cope blitz in the media? It obviously stinks. Yeah, it provides more hardscape for pop-up events, but when those aren't happening, it stinks. When can we just accept that without trying to go "well actually the percentage of green space (if you count raised mulched planters) is the same as before and you can ignore how there are demonstrably fewer people enjoying the new space than in your memories and the photographic record"? City Hall Plaza discourse all over again.
 
Perhaps we need to accept the idea that parks and heavy foot/vehicle traffic event spaces are not interchangeable spaces?
Designate some event spaces and accept that they are not really parks. Designate some parks and admit we should not use them for heavy use events.

These combination park/event spaces have all the charm of the classic campus "multi-purpose room". Usable for many purposes, but miserably unfit for all the same uses.
 
It looks so uninviting... like a corridor you pass through on your way to something else. I hate modern public use / park design.
The image above your comment is cropped in such a way to significantly diminish the amount of actual lawn. What appears to be two small triangles to the left and right of the desire path are actually the larger lawn in front of the church, and the lawn surrounding the fountain. As for the path itself, I think it's reasonable to recognize that a significant number of people use the plaza to cut between the corners at Dartmouth/St. James and Boylston/Clarendon at an angle. Now they can do it without walking on (and harming) the grass.

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Yea depending on the angle of the picture it looks completely different. From one side it looks like a massive brick plaza with a tiny bit of grass off in the corner and then from the other side it looks like a large lawn with a little bit of hard scape in the back. Hard to believe these are even pictures of the same spot just from different sides.

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Given twenty or so years, assuming they can keep the trees healthy, it will look a lot better.
A lot of the trees are the ones that were already there, and the raised decks around the tree heavy sections are part of a strategy to improve longevity. I am optimistic that it will look quite lush over time.
 
The new Copley Square is perfectly fine. It's not markedly better, but it's not worse and it makes more sense with itss new layout. By next summer absolutely no one will care about the renovation.
 
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Perhaps we need to accept the idea that parks and heavy foot/vehicle traffic event spaces are not interchangeable spaces?
Designate some event spaces and accept that they are not really parks. Designate some parks and admit we should not use them for heavy use events.

These combination park/event spaces have all the charm of the classic campus "multi-purpose room". Usable for many purposes, but miserably unfit for all the same uses.

"Accepting" this would be rejecting the clear evidence we have in front of our faces. Plazas and parks work wonderfully as event spaces all over the world:

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The plaza is perceived as being more hardscaped than in totality because that's what fronts the more active public thoroughfares (because they flipped the lawn and plaza sections). The second photo from in front of Trinity isn't as common a viewshed as along Dartmouth.

Also re:Henry, photo was uncropped. That's just a view standing on the path taken at x1 with an iPhone.

Some basic moveable chairs and tables would go a long way in the plaza.
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"Accepting" this would be rejecting the clear evidence we have in front of our faces. Plazas and parks work wonderfully as event spaces all over the world:

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Lawns work if you don't drive a lot of vehicles on them (like the performance space you show above). We drive vehicles all over our event spaces because that is how Americans do things. Vehicles cause a lot of damage (and too many crowds moving a lot, too often) and result in costly maintenance, which cities object to.

The hardscape areas do work well for event spaces of all types. The hardscape at Copley Square is what everyone is objecting to.
 
The image above your comment is cropped in such a way to significantly diminish the amount of actual lawn. What appears to be two small triangles to the left and right of the desire path are actually the larger lawn in front of the church, and the lawn surrounding the fountain. As for the path itself, I think it's reasonable to recognize that a significant number of people use the plaza to cut between the corners at Dartmouth/St. James and Boylston/Clarendon at an angle. Now they can do it without walking on (and harming) the grass.

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I would argue this render map is equally deceptive. The majority of the "groves" are - on a human scale - hardscape, as are the sidewalks along St James and Boylston, but are all rendered as a top-down view with translucent green circles to suggest an oasis. Same for the mulch planter on Dartmouth/StJ with like one tree on it, the whole thing being shown here as a grassy polygon you could lounge on (dark green is not brown mulch). The only "usable" grassy space for sunbathing, reading on a picnic blanket, etc, is the "lawn" right in front of Trinity, which is like 1/10 of the plaza. The problem is magnified because this isn't NYC and so people don't want to be sardines in a can, and since they can't spread out, maybe like 10 people can actually "use" the grass comfortably.

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Other than maybe a tad too heavy on the Millenial gray - the actual physical layout of the space is notably better in the actual use of Copley Square. I think we all have to accept the fact that trying to make a lawn function as a plaza was not working in the previous design. The actual travesty is that Wu didn't pedestrianize Dartmouth on that block. Now that she's come out as as car obsessed as Five Car Flaherty, don't expect this area to change positively in this era.
 
And as expected, it's getting ripped in the comments. Having visited it, count me generally as a fan. I give it an A-. Once the trees fill in and mature, I think it might become pretty great. I don't know what people are expecting. Copley Square never was/is/will be a "park" with a large, lush green lawn. All the commenters are expecting it to be a park. When was it ever a park in that sense? Great cities have bricked plazas all the time; who is to say that every public space should be a lawn? The point is that it should be a piazza, and can be some day if they close the street, but in the meantime, this new configuration will serve the city better than the mud patch that was there for years.
I dont see anyone on here saying it's that they bricked over the lawn. It's that the design they used produced a finished product that is overly exposed and visually and aesthetically hostile, cold, and hard. Ditto the materials: as many have said here, the color and the material and the material patterns itself matter enormously for spaces like this, and make or break whether someone feels warm and invited into the space versus alienated and driven away. This is like the most basic design stuff, nothing magical or overly demanding here. And another thing that is very basic is to take into account the surroundings. This space is surrounded by warm grays and terracottas on three sides by architecturally significant buildings, with large, monumental structures. A good designer would have taken those tones into account, and would have also used either much smaller, or much larger paving stones. The small, slender, alternating shades of gray slabs look like kitchen tiles and they would not look so anywhere, but they do when Trinity Church or the BPL is in the background of one's vision.

If you're deviate from basic design principles such as "let's heed the local context here", you gotta really know what you're doing; otherwise, it just looks like you as the designer didn't give a shit or bother actually even visiting the space you drew up to build. Obviously there are differences of taste, but really, I think most designers of urban space would agree that Copley could have been done a lot better and the ways in which it fails are quite obvious, and for a space with this much significance, the city royally blew it. Because Copley, as a centerpiece urban space for this city, deserved better.

Editing since I realize you're referring to the Globe article comments not (perhaps) the comments here on aB. But I suspect that without consciously being aware of the various design flaws here, people are saying they hate the hardscape when they really just feel the aesthetics that make it exude a hardscape feeling. Just like good design can make small spaces feel big, cold spaces feel warm, etc etc...
 
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If we’re only talking about the layout of the square proper, then the Dartmouth side absolutely needed paving to support the level of programming, lest it turn into a mud pit. 4/5 design given the competing uses with finite space IMO.

That said…
Yea depending on the angle of the picture it looks completely different.
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Another 28,000 sq ft of overly exposed and aesthetically hostile, cold hardscaping behind too! Its not that Copley didn’t need a paved plaza, it’s that the plaza should have went here.

90% of the reconstruction’s criticism is downstream of the compromises necessary to maintain Dartmouth open to traffic.
 

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