Decking the Mass. Pike.

Sorry for reviving an old thread, but given the recent spate of new decking proposals I don't think it's irrelevant.

Here's a question. The cost to developers of decking is often given as both a major reason why these projects get abandoned, and also why they need to go so tall to begin with (and when the height isn't approved or is chopped down, the numbers no longer work).

Am I correct to assume that, qualitatively and quantitatively, a deck that supports a 5-story building is going to be VERY different - cheaper - than a deck that must support a tower? If that's the case, couldn't MassDOT build a cheap deck to support low height development? In other words, the High Spine concept would need to be thrown out, but the city could still be stitched together (which I believe is more important)...
 
Ddn't they try this before; with the Rose Kennedy Greenway? Even in this red-hot building boo, non one's looking at those build-able parcels.
 
Why would you abandon the high spine, when it is one of the few areas in Boston you can get taller approved? Also the turnpike corridor is a quintessential TOD area, so deserves density.

Probably need to work out a public-private partnership with the State and City to get more real development over the Pike. The real estate is not actually valuable as is (too costly to develop), but becomes valuable (tax revenue, not just the site, but improved valuation for the area around too) once developed. It is a classic split incentive problem that needs to be resolved. DOT (State) wants money for the parcels to pay down Big Dig debt. But City of Boston gets the tax revenue. Need to get these partners together in a JV of sorts with the developer to spread the costs and gains across the parties.
 
Let's say that from Clarendon to Albany you constructed a new road over the pike, and essentially built out the sides of that road with 5 story residential the whole length. For exampke: http://archboston.com/community/showpost.php?p=250855&postcount=68

(Hell, maybe even a trolley reservation for the Boylston-Tufts-InkBlock-SS routing!)

Somehow, I believe you could far more easily get incentives aligned to do something more modest like that - again, presumably a far cheaper deck - than you would by involving mega-developers for towers who prefer not having to deal with a deck to begin with.
 
Let's say that from Clarendon to Albany you constructed a new road over the pike, and essentially built out the sides of that road with 5 story residential the whole length. For exampke: http://archboston.com/community/showpost.php?p=250855&postcount=68

(Hell, maybe even a trolley reservation for the Boylston-Tufts-InkBlock-SS routing!)

Somehow, I believe you could far more easily get incentives aligned to do something more modest like that - again, presumably a far cheaper deck - than you would by involving mega-developers for towers who prefer not having to deal with a deck to begin with.

You could probably do 20 stories in Chinatown on the north side in that stretch (not Bay Village though). Probably 10 stories on the south side. And you could capture some of the parking lots and low rise parking structures for more foot print. But you run into challenges from Washington to Albany on the south side with already completed or planned development in the current alignment.
 
Let's say that from Clarendon to Albany you constructed a new road over the pike, and essentially built out the sides of that road with 5 story residential the whole length. For exampke: http://archboston.com/community/showpost.php?p=250855&postcount=68

(Hell, maybe even a trolley reservation for the Boylston-Tufts-InkBlock-SS routing!)

Somehow, I believe you could far more easily get incentives aligned to do something more modest like that - again, presumably a far cheaper deck - than you would by involving mega-developers for towers who prefer not having to deal with a deck to begin with.

You don't need a new road, though, as you've already got the Herald/Marginal one-way pair framing nearly the whole grid. 1-block extension of Marginal west to Berkeley St. and switching up the on/offramp layout pretty much frames all the traffic patterns you'd need to have solid blocks of development on every parcel.

If you reallly, really wanted to go completist with the grid, then maybe get the OK to sacrifice Freida Garcia Park and worm Marginal to square-up with Clarendon @ the Stanhope/Pike entrance intersection. And construct an easterly extension of Marginal to Albany by re-grading the Hudson St. intersection a couple feet raised for getting over the highway ramp, and sticking a traffic light at Albany at the spot where the highway ramp merges into it so Herald has a full matching one-way pair between Albany and Harrison opening up the last block.



It's really not an infrastructure problem. It's an institutional problem. Most of these parcels have been available since 1965. There's been no indications through 50 years that air rights--the very concept of it--is a ripoff. Boston clearly had some lasting success with it over by Copley, the city/state keep talking about it at the planning level, until proven otherwise by snatching defeat from jaws of victory we've got a couple huge air rights projects about to go up, and NYC is typically outpacing us at covering over everything it can cover over with a renewed push.

We upend ourselves the same way we always do: hyper-provincialization, and state/city/BRA being unable to negotiate their way out of a paper bag purely amongst themselves. At what point do we hit prohibitively high risk for the developer where it's no longer worth it? The whittling-down process usually takes its toll at the approvals stage with institutional runaround long before there's a cost itemization for construction on top of a deck. Developers don't propose those pretty renders coming in blind; they use MassDOT's own decades-published air rights specs and calculate construction costs from there. Are those costs inaccurate after 50 years? Maybe. But we're not exactly dealing with abstract wild-guess theory here. Lowballed specs don't adequately explain the stage at which so many air rights proposals in this town start breaking down. Breakdown happens too early on in most cases, usually from our multi-headed planning monster fighting with itself and pushing competing agendas with each institution's approvals and offering no coordination. Yes, including fights about height and shadows. The developer then calculates how fast their money is going to dry up by projecting the schedule drag and amount of change orders they'd be forced to do to contort themselves for X many years of this bureaucratic clownshow, the great downsizing starts, and eventually they just don't see a way forward. And too many developers can see the clownshow coming a mile away and won't stick their necks out for it...meaning, 'soupy' vaporware ends up quickly turning into 'arid' vaporware. It affects the quality and commitment of the devs they're attracting (or not). That's not a reflection of real-world quality or cost of the parcels...just the free market drawing the line in the sand at how much BS they're willing to put up with.

Or...to put it more crudely:
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^^Every dev's got their scale. The way we handle air rights is a little too much crazy for the 'hot'. It doesn't matter how many different proposals come up in different decades, this is the gauntlet any developer has to go through. So of course odds of success pretty much go down to 1 actual build per 1 Pike parcel every 30+ years at the rate everything else gets cut down. That's been a pretty damn stable trend under the same planning institutions that have been there since Day 1.

If we want to move these air rights as fast as demand for CBD construction writ-large would indicate these prime parcels would need to move and demand in other cities' CBD's for air rights are moving...the bureaucracy needs to look in the mirror and move its "crazy/hot" threshold to a less discouraging place. It's not impossible. South Station had the whole mechanics of its air rights process and power-sharing therein hashed out between the BRA and MBTA in a big property compact signed in 1978, a full decade before the '89 renovation and early-90's addition of the bus terminal served up the final air rights configuration for private bid. Yes, that's taken a long time...but look how bloodlessly the tower got approved this year. It managed to hit Go For It at the same time we were actively watching the Pike clownshow choke another one away with the meltdown of Fenway Center and its latest, greatest skittish developer. Difference between git-'r-dun and same-shit/different-day doesn't have anything to do with cost of deck crossbeams. It's certainty or lackthereof in the process.

Fight the real enemy. They've had 50 years to show us why they can't do the job.
 
But I think what is brilliant about moving Marginal and Herald, and a dedicated trolley corridor onto the air rights, and then selling of their former land (and capturing adjacent parking facilities) is that it changes the entire air rights dynamics (that clearly has failed since the days of Copley Place).

The new Boulevard plus Green Line transitway obviously need to be built by the State (and perhaps City) -- it is transit and traffic infrastructure. But then the development land is now pretty conventional Boston fill area. So it should be easy for the state to recoup those monies in the sale of the terra firma, because the financial math on the terra firma makes sense. And the transitway for the Green Line is probably cost competitive with the tunneling you have proposed.
 
^ Yeah agreed - F-line I think the idea is to 'free up' new terra-firma at (relatively) low cost by putting the surface traffic (and nice / functional median greenery ) on a deck / 'longitudinal bridge' over the pike, and then building on up-zoned land where the roads used to be.

And as a bonus you get relatively large lots which the market loves these days. And you have more / better option for distributing pike traffic a little better to/from existing & new rampls
 
^ Yeah agreed - F-line I think the idea is to 'free up' new terra-firma at (relatively) low cost by putting the surface traffic (and nice / functional median greenery ) on a deck / 'longitudinal bridge' over the pike, and then building on up-zoned land where the roads used to be.

And as a bonus you get relatively large lots which the market loves these days. And you have more / better option for distributing pike traffic a little better to/from existing & new rampls

CSTH -- you folks are just dreaming again

The reason the air rights at the Pru and Copley worked is that the majority of the development was air rights over terra firma -- ROW of the highway and Rail Line and the T to be sure -- but not actually putting large heavy structures directly over the pike

Its a matter of two key issues -- One you can explore for yourself at home with a couple of books [the highway ROW] and so cardboard and then some bags of rice or some sort

Start with the walls close together and then spread the books further apart and see how much flex that a standard bag of rice [or equivalent] causes

If you want to go further for extra credit -- make some triangular beams out of cardboard and place under the cardboard deck

The other is ventilation -- beyond a certain length for a given width and traffic flow you need to start building an serious active ventilation system -- as things get further from the end to the center the ventilation system starts to assume Big Dig scale with lots of fans

Moral of the story make a long tunnel covering a wide trench its going to cost a fair amount of money -- pile too many rice bags on it -- and the support structure gets very expensive

The above is why the Southwest Corridor is the way it is -- its not even as wide a trench as the pike -- and still there has been minimal covering except for the occasional park-ish connection
 
^ Yeah agreed - F-line I think the idea is to 'free up' new terra-firma at (relatively) low cost by putting the surface traffic (and nice / functional median greenery ) on a deck / 'longitudinal bridge' over the pike, and then building on up-zoned land where the roads used to be.

And as a bonus you get relatively large lots which the market loves these days. And you have more / better option for distributing pike traffic a little better to/from existing & new rampls

That doesn't work at all when you have a pre-existing street grid that already has facing buildings. How exactly are you supposed to zap Marginal and Herald for a combined thoroughfare moved to the mid-block without boning over the Josiah Quincy School, Mass Pike Towers, the six-story that houses South End Head Start, and the not even finished Ink Block parcels facing Herald on the Harrison-Albany block??? Not to mention MORE street-facing where that came from on the Herald side with the two expendable 2-story garages and the vacant CVS so ripe for flipping tall to extend the Ink Block all the way to Tremont.

That is completely nonsensical. There is no real-world build you can do to pack things in the center without upending one of the city's hottest ongoing developments and unleashing unholy controversy about displacing one of the city's most lauded elementary schools specifically catering to (already under too much dev pressure) Chinatown residents. The two roads have to be there. You're just destroying shit, adding empty-calorie asphalt capacity, EATING developable air rights space, and costing yourself revenue...not the other way around. It's also much more expensive decking to have to straddle the load-bearing of a roadway on stilts on the Pike median rather than having the weight distribution of a tall building foundation and any surrounding plazas anchored to the pre-existing side walls that were designed 50 years ago for exactly that purpose. Not a cost-saver...lighting decking money on-fire. We're reinventing the wheel in way more challenging fashion now when our institutions wasted a half century getting in their own way over doing something with the 100% pre-provisioned canvas.

In what la-la land is making the job so much harder for ourselves constitute win-win? Jesus...keep it simple. We've already got a relative gift of semi-logical one-way pair framing this whole district. Herald is especially ripe for a lane-drop from 3 to 2 to create more inviting sidewalk space on either the IB side or the air rights side. The only required add you need to fix is fill in that missing Arlington-Berkeley gap on Marginal so the essential E-W one-way pairings and N-S one-way pairings touch. Then everything else grid-related is gravy.


As for a trolley reservation??? Why the hell are you doing that when the easiest under-street tunneling left in the whole city for doing the LRT Silver Line Phase III replacement that we have no choice but to do...is burrowing shallow under 1965-cleanroomed Marginal for a few blocks east of Tremont St.. You don't need to do all that ^^nutballs other stuff^^ to create a transit corridor here. Our urban renewal forefathers already did that when they razed this part of the South End. Tremont tunnel extension was for total real studied in the early-70's for Orange Line El "equal or better" replacement with a Green Line branch from Boylston to Dudley that dug under a couple blocks of Marginal.

  • The utilities under Marginal are well-mapped, few and far between.

  • The Orange Line tunnel was built at an easy-to-underpin angle...specifically for that 70's Green Line Washington proposal out of Boylston.

  • There's slack space on the Herald St. retaining wall by the old Boston Herald freight siding to pop a Washington St. Silver-replacement portal and incline up from the NEC trackbed at no disruption to the adjacent tracks. You can even build this first and leave an empty tunnel shell a short distance east of Shawmut under Marginal to Phase I it from Boylston to Dudley while figuring out the rest of the South Station trajectory. All you need with the air rights planning is to leave a little rectangular hole on the Herald retaining wall at the Washington intersection for when the trolleys hit the top of the incline at the traffic light.

  • Marginal's all slightly above-surface tunneling like the part of the Central Subway around Hynes that pokes above Pike cut level; you can just cut temp construction access holes in the sides of the WB retaining wall with right-lane closures to do less-invasive sideways excavation, underpinning the street above, working the utilities from more advantageous angle, etc. This is way cheaper than traditional cut-and-cover that's 25 ft. below ground beneath a 'sandwich layer' of under-street utilities. Don't pass up that relative gift, because there's almost nowhere else in the city we can tunnel this non-invasively...for cost or surface disruption.

  • There's space to do a real-deal Ink Block subway stop on the South Station trajectory under the tennis courts on the Washington-Harrison block.

  • The Tremont/Marginal traffic island is wide enough for multiple types of transit builds. The last SL Phase III BRT portal before project cancellation was going to pop up in the middle of this island. Tremont was cleanroomed double-wide to handle any-size tunnel, including continuation of the 4-track trolley tunnel from Eliot Norton Park. The traffic island has possibility of splitting a trolley tunnel into a bi-directional wye so you can someday relocate the E off Copley Jct. west along Marginal to Back Bay and Prudential. Just leave a tunnel bump-out as future provision and built that in 20, 50, or never years later.

  • You can do any of this after the air rights are built. It's not time-sensitive. Not even the temp side wall construction access from the Pike.
You can structure the air rights leases to fund a transit infrastructure bank covering any/all builds touching Marginal and the air rights corridor. This SL III replacement, the Washington trolley portal, that future E/BBY relocation, the future Ink Block subway station, the shallowest Washington-Albany blocks of the North-South Rail Link NEC portal dug inside the cut. Just a little bit of relief that can help spread cost amortization over 50+ years for anything that happens to touch these exact air rights blocks. It's not going to float costs for any full megaprojects, but it's a means of reliably underwriting a portion in this specific project area at incentive the tenants will go for. You think a tower developer and Ink Block developers of those squat Herald-facing garages wouldn't be doing backflips at the minimum-most build of a Washington St. trolley portal with adjacent stop? How about that Ink Block subway stop under Marginal @ Harrison once we figure out that SL III routing?




Why in the hell are we overvaluing a trolley reservation for a kooky street grid blow-up that requires ratfucking the entire neighborhood? For chrissakes, they already feasibility-studied all this 4 decades ago! Use the duh-obvious canvas we were left with. Even as tunnel costs go, these specific city blocks are about as high-ROI as it gets thanks to the urban renewal nuke zone cleaning the typical "Thar Be Dragons" shit up below-street. Don't invent convoluted stuff just to say you can...that's OCD Fake Crazy Transit Pitches, not solving a real problem or bringing in real development.
 
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^ Most of the buildings you are citing have ready access (or the potential) from the cross streets. Very little actually fronts on Herald or Marginal. It is much easier to reconfigure than you are claiming. It just doesn't give you your pet subway. This area was all ratfucked, as you term, by urban renewal -- and nothing faces the Pike.

Ink Block, for example has ZERO access from Herald.
 
^ Most of the buildings you are citing have ready access (or the potential) from the cross streets. Very little actually fronts on Herald or Marginal. It is much easier to reconfigure than you are claiming. It just doesn't give you your pet subway. This area was all ratfucked, as you term, by urban renewal -- and nothing faces the Pike.

Ink Block, for example has ZERO access from Herald.

You haven't answered the question: why are we reinventing the wheel? For me-too pet projects' sake??? What is the value proposition of this? Have we answered the question WHY the air rights haven't been sold with a definitive answer that "the grid sucks...and A, B, C, X, Y & Z potential developers have rejected it because of the grid." Point to concrete examples stating that a reboot Must Be So or they will never attract developers. Have these parcels even been seriously floated? Or has the clownshow of decades wasted trying to get something/anything approved on the blocks west of the Pru decking punted the easterly parcels to the back of the priority line? How is that a physical constraint instead of institutional?


Second...there's an orderly street grid that's been in place for 50 years for specific purpose of fronting air rights on those blocks. There's load-bearing retaining walls for holding up the air rights. It's all been completely paid down by 50 years of Pike tolls. The only cost are the deck girders themselves, presumably to be paid for with some sort of public-private financing plan that amortizes cost over multiple decades, like the Mass Ave./Boylston cover-over.

There are NOT load-bearing walls for holding up a middle street + transit reservation and new building foundation anchors on the middle street. This pair of jersey barriers between EB and WB carriageways and EB + the NEC are all you have to anchor it to. Look how the Pru tunnel is anchored; thick side walls, thin center that occasionally opens up to porous pegs at the street overpasses pre-dating the cover-over. The foundations are anchored to the thick/deep side walls where gridded girders on the deck spread the weight distribution all around the block and don't require anything thicker than pegs in the center.

You don't have horizontal or vertical room for Y-shaped thick pegs to straddle a boulevard centered over 100 ft. of Pike with enough strength to hold the outer boulevard lanes, much less outer lanes spread out further by a center transit reservation. You most certainly do not have ANY sort of load-bearing capability to anchor building foundations to that center road where the street-facing foundation are literally suspended midair over the center lanes of Pike EB and Pike WB. The deck girders won't support themselves. Structural engineering does not work that way. If you nuke the surface...you are going to have to nuke the Pike underneath, nuke the side walls to move WB under Marginal and NEC + EB under Herald so the new center wall can be twice as thick, twice as deep, and be capable of anchor the building decking's weight distribution exactly the same way as the old street grid. Total reinvention of the Pike Extension wheel. And lo and behold...massive tunneling under Marginal! For somebody's more expensive idea of a pet project. And cannibalization of the transit build studied for 40 years in favor of ops-inferior surface running. Throw every argument out the window that this is non-invasive to the cut below. It's a total do-over of the cut.


Finally...nuking the grid WILL ratfuck abutters like the Quincy School. Don't play the "it's not too many abutters" card, because that shucks the question of how important the abutters are. In redev-beleagured Chinatown residents' view the Quincy School is the red line that shall not be crossed when mere redev crosses over into Urban Renewal: Payback Time. The school caters to Chinese students in the neighborhood--the only one equipped for such bilingual and bi-cultural needs--and has long been one of BPS's best performing schools. Take that away, force a rebuild or move, or force students to walk down a claustrophobic alley replacing Marginal to get up and down campus from the main building and bus/Orange stops @ Washington to the Upper School on Tremont...and that is tantamount to re-declaring war on Chinatown. You won't get a single City Councillor in support of that...and for whatever you think of the shiftless Council, it is their purview to stick up for a neighborhood that feels it's getting pushed around.

Also...if you don't pull a "Hold the phone!!! We're doin' a reboot!" ASAP to everly developer licking their chops at the squat-garages blocks of Herald, that property's going to get flipped in a period of few years to complement the Ink Block with street-facing dev. It's a moving target, not a static 2D canvas. This concept is going to ratfuck a whole lot more abutters--ones with big money recently spent behind them--before you even have a chance to float this do-over to the public like a lead balloon.



This is not the real world. It's not. And it has no chance of graduating into the real world if the value proposition can't be articulated better than "fussin' 'round with the grid for neat-freak's sake." The argument has to cite damning, fatal flaws in the 1965 canvas that render air rights dev utterly impossible and OVERPOWER opposition. +1 points for general elegance isn't enough. Not within light years of enough.
 
Quincy Lower School does need some accommodation (it is basically the only abutter that would need some work). You would need to provide an alley access for the service door on Marginal and the dumpsters.

Quincy Upper School is moving to the South End in a couple years, way before this could happen. Consolidating the campus. So no more walking between buildings.

I would assume you would build the deck the same way you built the bridges that cross the turnpike today. They all got magically supported through some level of bridge engineering.

Why would you do it -- to free up acres of prime real estate for development with truly minimal impact to abutters:

Marginal Side Abutters:
Albany to Harrison: Parking lot -- chain link fence -- no access to Marginal
Harrison to Washington: Boston Chinatown Evangelical Church Wants to move, does not use Marginal; Parcel A (BRA land) site of basketball courts and temporary part of Quincy Upper School -- moving to the South End.
Washington to Shawmut -- back side of Quincy Lower School. No pedestrian access. Service Access needs to be provided.
Shawmut to Tremont -- parking lot for Mass Pike Towers -- could be accessible from Shawmut. Owner, Trinity Financial, wants to develop the parking lot as a new tower -- could expand that out further.

Herald Street Abutters:
Albany to Harrison: Ink Block. Probably would not develop next to Ink Block 1, but could add to remaining parcel at corner with Albany No access to Ink Block from Herald -- blank wall, unactivated.
Harrison to Washington: 321 Harrison low rise garage. In planning for a development on top. Put another development next door -- why not? No access today from Herald.
Washington to Shawmut: C-mart low rise -- no access from Herald, slated for redevelopment as housing; 112 Shawmut -- slated for demolition and redevelopment by Davis Company. May need to provide alley access to rear surface lot.
Shawmut to Tremont: Low rise parking structure for Castle Square, owned by Druker. Slated for redevelopment. Blank wall of CVS building at Tremont corner, also owned by Drucker. Need to provide alley access to rear of CVS.

Who is getting hurt here? We need the developable land!
 
Why do we need to create developable land by rearranging the shit out of undeveloped land pre-prepped 50 years ago for development on a set, perfect-rectangular footprint that doesn't impact abutters? The details aren't relevant because there's no coherent value proposition here. Where does spending 5x the money for an OCD remaking of air rights infrastructure that's already there net a slam-dunk positive? You have to sell what's so fatally flawed with the current canvas first before anyone's going to support blowing shit up. +1 more precious eye-of-beholder conceptual integrity and +X potential square footage over empty air that can already have a fuckton of square footage built atop...isn't going to muscle resources for the do-over.

Pretend you're selling this value proposition to a room full of Chinatown residents, the City Council, and the Transportation Secretary. There's no second step if any faction of that coalition concludes: "Is this really necessary? What was so wrong with the air rights we had?" You don't merely have to prove the enhancement value...you have to prove the unmitigated failure of the current space. And that really isn't possible when the institutions have barely tried to move those easterly parcels because they're so bogged down with the far western parcels that were supposed to be the decades-ago #2 builds after Pru + C. Place established the middle. Behind-schedule ≠ physically broken.
 
Pretend you're selling this value proposition to a room full of Chinatown residents, the City Council, and the Transportation Secretary. There's no second step if any faction of that coalition concludes: "Is this really necessary? What was so wrong with the air rights we had?" You don't merely have to prove the enhancement value...you have to prove the unmitigated failure of the current space. And that really isn't possible when the institutions have barely tried to move those easterly parcels because they're so bogged down with the far western parcels that were supposed to be the decades-ago #2 builds after Pru + C. Place established the middle. Behind-schedule ≠ physically broken.

I think part of Jeff's case is that 50 years of nothing happening suggests that perhaps the present arrangement is broken. Maybe the completion of the Ink Block plus all those adjacent parcels is the catalyst this neighborhood needs to fill these air-tights parcels. Or maybe all that new supply will guarantee they sit idle for another generation or 2.

The thought experiment at hand is questioning whether or not they got the transportation infrastructure and urban environment put together properly 50 years ago - an era which has a pretty bad track record for get anything at all right in the urban and transportation realms. The fact that this land lies fallow is all the evidence you need to at least consider that there is something wrong.

The allegedly rock-solid existing plan you are championing looks like a complete failure. The least you can do is entertain a line of reasoning without shitting all over it. There may be a few solid nuggets gleaned from letting your imagination wander a little rather than being chained to the orthodoxy of a bunch of dead engineers who appear (to rational minds) to have designed a dead-end piece of infrastructure.
 
I'd sell it as

A) A new boulevard "main street" through Chinatown that, in one fell swoop, all but covers the gaping Pike trench

B) The possibility of better, more attractive frontage facing this new boulevard main street, which only marginally impacts existing uses along Herald and Marginal and which can be accommodated in the new scheme

C) Development has a much stronger probability of taking root on terra firma - new housing, new vitality. And, better chances that they won't need to be super-ultra luxury to make the numbers work.

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^ You won't get this through the existing air rights scheme, ever.
 
I'd sell it as

A) A new boulevard "main street" through Chinatown that, in one fell swoop, all but covers the gaping Pike trench

B) The possibility of better, more attractive frontage facing this new boulevard main street, which only marginally impacts existing uses along Herald and Marginal and which can be accommodated in the new scheme

C) Development has a much stronger probability of taking root on terra firma - new housing, new vitality. And, better chances that they won't need to be super-ultra luxury to make the numbers work.

^ You won't get this through the existing air rights scheme, ever.

Kind of interesting looking from an abstract perspective. It's not really thru Chinatown, but I quibble.

Setting side a bunch of other severe hurdles, just the deck part of this looks less likely to get through than any of the previous proposals that have croaked.

In your proposed scheme, there will still be the great cost of a deck, but a very high percentage of the deck will be occupied by a road. Unless it’s a toll road (ha! Wouldn’t THAT be a laugh!), it will generate no revenue. Those buildings to either side might have to pay partial deck lease costs (I don't think they've got room to be completely on terra firma), but their hinter sides will be on land that is currently city streets, presumably to be re-platted under your plan. So most tax revenue there will go to Boston. Do you really think the front sections of those buildings, the parts over the deck, will generate enough lease revenue to pay for the deck? And if I'm wrong about the depths, and you CAN squeeze buildings in there completely on terra firma, then there'd logically be NO deck lease payments.

This plan looks like it would generate far less lease revenue to pay for and then maintain the deck, as compared to previous proposals. And if those buildings are partly on the deck but partly on City-controlled land, that just exacerbates the turf war between DOT and BRA over who collects what from property owners to make it all work. That will only make the existing political logjam between DOT and BRA even worse.

On the political / financing front, which as I understand it is where these things keep dying, this looks like a step into a deeper quagmire. If DOT and BRA cannot sort themselves out within the existing framework, I think they'd be even less likely to sort themselves out within this idea. Far more upfront hassles (switching horses in mid-stream, relocating utilities, taking away street frontages, etc) and way less revenue. That's going to be the most expensive boulevard evah.

Looks nice as an abstract idea, though. I like considering these outside the box ideas, but this one I think is too far outside the box.
 

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