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First, a semantic quibble. “Do you still hate the Seaport?”
I did that on purpose as a way to get peoples strong responses one way or the other.
First, a semantic quibble. “Do you still hate the Seaport?”
I did that on purpose as a way to get peoples strong responses one way or the other.
i confess; i'm won over.
The Seaport is turning out quite good overall.
*But, it's gonna need some good bars.
I never hated it. It's totally anathema to Boston, but that's OK - when I lived in London, I loved Canary Wharf and also Paternoster Sq, even though both totally artificial. I do agree that the roads are too wide and there could've been better planning as far as forcing some smaller buildings. For me, it's very much like CSTH said - everything about it runs counter to what I believe in and what I like, and it perfectly represents all the horrible trends of the USA, world, zeitgeist (overpriced condos and rich yuppie places that sucked all the liquor licenses out of the neighborhoods; long lines in restaurants that aren't even that good)... and yet, my personal experience of the urbanism of it is just incredibly refreshing. I love riding my bike through it and always include it on my loops. It's such a welcome respite from the rest of the city — clean, fresh, plenty of room, a welcome change from the chaos, twists, turns, and endless lights and random +/- bike lanes of any other part of the city.
No longer hate it.
Or, everything I still hate about it is just a microcosm of what I hate about the state of the world in general.
FK, you perfectly hit on why Boston has such a distinct flavor from the homogenous Houstons and Phoenix's. You could quite literally replace the words in that last sentence "It's such...." with "Charlotte is such...."
I did a full day walk-around there two weeks ago and still felt the hotel lobby/forced vibe of the area. It's not a place to "stroll" at the moment. Never saw one person under the age of 20 or over the age of 60 (except for some tourists near the Black Falcon Terminal - the Norwegian Dawn was in port.) It currently lacks the feel of "civicness". It needs alot more housing and a BPL satellite.
But I agree with others that say "Hey, it's not finished yet, wait for the real life to fill in". If that never happens, honestly, that's ok - - . It's never going to be Coolidge Corner or Somerville, Harvard Square or the Fenway - - it can be compartmentalized as the "Innovation District" with appropriate expectations -- much like Kendall Square. In fact, I kind of like that Boston has added a nasty slider to make it a 5-pitch pitcher.
At the same time, the folks here claiming that it currently feels like a real fine urban streetscape doth protest too much.
*****As long as this stuff doesn't creep into the fine parts of Boston (like an invasive plant) I'm ok with it.
So, long story short - - put me down as a Yes - I do hate it as a stand alone, but not as a "fifth pitch". I quite like it as a "fifth pitch". But if it was an invasive plant and all of Boston turned into this...........then get the weed killer spray right now!
I feel something close to this sentiment.
Architecturally, I have to admit it's coming into its own and will over time start to take on the trappings of a real neighborhood. Street walls are filling in, good restaurants, a couple fun night spots, and the waterfront is a real asset for the city.
But encoded into it are all the same problems which I and various other posters have lamented here for years: there's still no serious transit, it's still a bunch of megablock buildings which require moneyed retail tenants. These conspire to make it a kind of soulless, corporate paradise for the kinds of people it was made by and for, to the exclusion of a lot of people among whom I'd count myself. This isn't its fault, but the seaport is one output of a machine with inputs no one seems to be able to control, which is larger than all of us.
Buildings are turning out okay though, so there's that.
Is anyone aware of any zoning or otherwise policies that help prevent these megablocks? I agree with the complaint of parcel sizes being too large for the stated reasons, but I feel like I haven't heard of any concrete examples of ways of preventing that have been implemented in other places before.
Is anyone aware of any zoning or otherwise policies that help prevent these megablocks? I agree with the complaint of parcel sizes being too large for the stated reasons, but I feel like I haven't heard of any concrete examples of ways of preventing that have been implemented in other places before.
Is anyone aware of any zoning or otherwise policies that help prevent these megablocks? I agree with the complaint of parcel sizes being too large for the stated reasons, but I feel like I haven't heard of any concrete examples of ways of preventing that have been implemented in other places before.
Like FK4 said, there was nothing there before and a lot of the property was state-owned. So as a starting condition they could have planned for more and smaller streets and more and smaller parcels.