Logan Airport Capital Projects

[antabello]

Was Piedmont also in B? They were another of the airlines I frequented while growing up.

I would love to see a gate by gate breakdown of Logan over time, to refresh my memory on all the changes and moves over the years.

Thinking back I remember flying America West several times out of the B37 & B38 gates.
ATA was also located in terminal B.

 

[Equilibria]

Trump Shuttle was the former Eastern shuttle, probably why that was in Terminal A, and I think it took a while until the ex-Trump Shuttle operation was merged into US Airways proper. Delta's shuttle I believe was originally Pan Am's competitor to Eastern's.

Good point - I stand somewhat corrected

 

[mass88]

The latest discussion in this thread is a reminder of just how much consolidation and merging there's been in the US airline industry the last 25-30 years.

Norwest + Delta = Delta
America West + US Airways = USAirways
TWA + American = American
USAirways + American = American
Continental + United = United
AirTran + Southwest = Southwest
Virgin America + Alaska = Alaska
Midwest + Frontier = Frontier

 

[RandomWalk]

I remember the names of the airlines being posted on the ceiling of the Terminal B garage. So many carriers that no longer exist.

 

[Stlin]

The latest discussion in this thread is a reminder of just how much consolidation and merging there's been in the US airline industry the last 25-30 years.

Norwest + Delta = Delta
America West + US Airways = USAirways
TWA + American = American
USAirways + American = American
Continental + United = United
AirTran + Southwest = Southwest
Virgin America + Alaska = Alaska
Midwest + Frontier = Frontier

Although, if you trace the corporate lineages, it tells a more interesting story.

For example, ultimately America West, and it's management under Doug Parker, is the unlikely winner in that list. In 2005 it bought a bankrupt US Airways, and while that brand survived, it was headquartered and run out of America West's Phoenix HQ by AW's management, and US Airways flew under the AW Cactus callsign. The 2012 merger with bankrupt AA was notionally a merger of equals, but the old America West / US Airways management team moved into Dallas and took control of AA. Doug Parker was CEO of AAL until 2022 - not bad for a regional airline out of Phoenix.

Similarly, Continental/ United. Despite being a merger of equals, it was the smaller carrier's (Continental) leadership team who took over. The combined airline actually operates today under Continental's operating certificate, which changed names the same day they terminated United's.

 

[stick n move]

-Was looking for something else and came across something that I dont believe was posted.

Boston Logan International Airport in line for $12M from feds to upgrade control tower​

“Boston Logan International Airport is in line to receive $12 million from the Biden administration to fund the expansion and renovation of the existing air traffic control tower with new equipment and facilities, the White House announced Thursday morning.

Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg said Logan Airport is one of more than 100 airports across 44 states slated to receive a portion of $970 million in grants for terminal projects. The White House pitched the dollars as a way to boost air travel during a turbulent time for the industry….”

https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/0...r-12m-from-feds-to-upgrade-control-tower/amp/

 

[Stlin]

-Was looking for something else and came across something that I dont believe was posted.

Boston Logan International Airport in line for $12M from feds to upgrade control tower​

“Boston Logan International Airport is in line to receive $12 million from the Biden administration to fund the expansion and renovation of the existing air traffic control tower with new equipment and facilities, the White House announced Thursday morning.

Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg said Logan Airport is one of more than 100 airports across 44 states slated to receive a portion of $970 million in grants for terminal projects. The White House pitched the dollars as a way to boost air travel during a turbulent time for the industry….”

https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/0...r-12m-from-feds-to-upgrade-control-tower/amp/

They posted a render as part of the Feb board slides. Looks like they'll be filling in 4 floors between the pylons, then eventually moving on to the upper floors.

 

[Roxxma]

It's too bad they never reopened the observation deck and its bar. I used to go up there almost weekly throughout the 1990s, when anyone could hop the elevator and get off at the deck. I only went during the day, so I never saw the bar when it was open, but it was a really cool space.

 

[Java King]

It's too bad they never reopened the observation deck and its bar. I used to go up there almost weekly throughout the 1990s, when anyone could hop the elevator and get off at the deck. I only went during the day, so I never saw the bar when it was open, but it was a really cool space.

I remember that too! I had a roommate who was studying Computational Fluid Dynamics at MIT and he later worked at Boeing. He loved to visit there and watch the planes. I don't think I ever remember the bar being open, but we were always there during the day. This was probably around 1988 or 1989.

 

[Stlin]

The April Board slide deck is out, and oh boy, there's things in it. Taking it from the top,
- the new Terminal E is already getting a graft-on addition in the form of a low box in front for a "South-West Bag Building." Notably, occupies space seen in previous months that showed a MBTA station walkway/connector.
- Original Terminal E is getting new vertical circulation, 2 additional bag claims, and significant roadway expansion.
- All of the expanded curb area will be covered by a continuous canopy spanning from the new Terminal E Garage to the Original Terminal E. This potentially replaces the previously seen BIL funded canopy project from September(?).

 

[thepixelnation]

They posted a render as part of the Feb board slides

I'm glad they're not changing the now iconic shape of the control tower. It's funny how it has become a unique image of the airport at this point.

 

[Java King]

Does the airport roadway have a name? I just returned from Denver and the main access to the airport is named Pena Boulevard. Instead of renaming all of Logan Airport for Bill Russell, what about naming the whole terminal access road Bill Russell Road.........or something like that? What do people think of the renaming the airport or some area for Bill Russell?

By the way.........the new drop-off and pickup at Terminal B works really well for both RideShares and regular people.

 

[thepixelnation]

Does the airport roadway have a name? I just returned from Denver and the main access to the airport is named Pena Boulevard. Instead of renaming all of Logan Airport for Bill Russell, what about naming the whole terminal access road Bill Russell Road.........or something like that? What do people think of the renaming the airport or some area for Bill Russell?

By the way.........the new drop-off and pickup at Terminal B works really well for both RideShares and regular people.

Honestly naming the terminal access road after Bill Russell would be final slap in the face for the Russell family. I know we've already named a route to the airport after another of our sports icons, but just the road to the airport would not do justice for that man who was a hero despite a great deal of hate sent his way. Unless they renamed logan the General Edward Lawrence Logan International Airport on Bill Russell Road, which would be quite a mouthful.

 

[Equilibria]

The April Board slide deck is out, and oh boy, there's things in it. Taking it from the top,
- the new Terminal E is already getting a graft-on addition in the form of a low box in front for a "South-West Bag Building." Notably, occupies space seen in previous months that showed a MBTA station walkway/connector.
- Original Terminal E is getting new vertical circulation, 2 additional bag claims, and significant roadway expansion.
- All of the expanded curb area will be covered by a continuous canopy spanning from the new Terminal E Garage to the Original Terminal E. This potentially replaces the previously seen BIL funded canopy project from September(?).

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They should make the canopy for the Terminal E roadways red to tie the room together...

 

[trnsrbnsm]

A little more meat on the Terminal C Improvements project - $210 mil

• Two new lounge spaces (expansion of Terminal C departures footprint above ground level building between C10-C11)​
• Terminal E Garage connection with mention of garage full beneficial use in Q2 2028​
• Phases are not sequential and may be concurrent​
• Begin construction Spring 2025, occupancy by Fall 2027​

 

[Java King]

I appreciate all these upgrades at Logan, but I just wish there was a big-picture design theme for the entire airport. It just seems so disjointed and designed by different architecture firms. I wish there was a common material or design language framework that all these projects could fit into, so that in ten years, the airport looks like a cohesive whole rather than 100 different projects. As was mentioned up thread, use the red of the international terminal as a unifying design choice going forward.

 

[mass88]

Projects like this, while welcome improvements, make me wonder long term if Massport will ever address the terminal C piers? I think ideally they both get demolished and completely rebuilt with high ceilings and floor to ceiling windows.

Boston has been a obvious hole in AMEX's lounge network, I'd imagine they would snag one of the spaces. 15-21k is a pretty big space for an airline lounge.

 

[Texasian]

I appreciate all these upgrades at Logan, but I just wish there was a big-picture design theme for the entire airport. It just seems so disjointed and designed by different architecture firms. I wish there was a common material or design language framework that all these projects could fit into, so that in ten years, the airport looks like a cohesive whole rather than 100 different projects. As was mentioned up thread, use the red of the international terminal as a unifying design choice going forward.

I feel like if Massport were to do that, in 10 years time you’d have folks on here asking why Logan’s new additions feel so out of date.

Terminal C piers excepted, I kinda like Logan’s piecemeal nature. It’s like a vision of what American infrastructure would look like if we continually maintained and invested in incremental upgrades.

 

[mass88]

The New PDX: ZGF Modernizes and Evolves America's Favorite Airport

Discover how ZGF's transformative design modernizes Portland International Airport, doubling its capacity and celebrating the beauty of the Pacific Northwest.

www.zgf.com

New PDX (Portland, OR) terminal site. Curious the thoughts on this type of design/project?

 

[stefal]

The New PDX: ZGF Modernizes and Evolves America's Favorite Airport

Discover how ZGF's transformative design modernizes Portland International Airport, doubling its capacity and celebrating the beauty of the Pacific Northwest.

www.zgf.com

New PDX (Portland, OR) terminal site. Curious the thoughts on this type of design/project?

It's a fine looking building. The sustainability angle is deeply flawed at a planning-level:

there are roughly 30 flights PER DAY between seattle and portlandthe distance between the airports is 200km. short haul flights emit 175g CO2 pp per kmlet's use 737-800 @ 50% capacity = 86 paxso 3.317 tons CO2/flight * 30/day = 100 tons CO2/day = 36,500 tons CO2/year

this means that the ~2,300 tons of CO2 sequestered in the mass timber at the portland terminal counters just 23 days of flying...and that's *only* on flights between seattle and portland.

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