Logan Airport Flights and Airlines Discussion

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Sad what’s going on with our favorite airline, hope things improve! I still don’t know what to make about Jet Blue’s insistence to buy Spirit.
They should have shown this must persistence when they went after Virgin America a few years back.
 

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Yes - I have no idea what the business dynamics were but Virgin would have been a much better match (and B6 would have been a better match than AS for VX).
I believe that is one of the main factors driving JetBlue's push to acquire Spirit. Some JetBlue executives don't want to "miss out again" even though Virgin and Spirit and not comparable.

mass88, thanks for sharing my thoughts here that I mistakenly posted in the Logan Capital projects thread!
 

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I believe that is one of the main factors driving JetBlue's push to acquire Spirit. Some JetBlue executives don't want to "miss out again" even though Virgin and Spirit and not comparable.

mass88, thanks for sharing my thoughts here that I mistakenly posted in the Logan Capital projects thread!
I wouldn’t put it past JetBlue to be trying to hamstring a competitor by forcing them to overpay for Spirit.
 

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Quite the article about Delta and Logan!
At this point, Delta has built out their network in Boston to the point where they can really sell themselves to both business and leisure travelers over JetBlue. Not only that, their facilities in Boston are better than JetBlue's. Add in the international service that JetBlue cannot match, and will probably never match, it's a big sell for Delta.
 

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At this point, Delta has built out their network in Boston to the point where they can really sell themselves to both business and leisure travelers over JetBlue. Not only that, their facilities in Boston are better than JetBlue's. Add in the international service that JetBlue cannot match, and will probably never match, it's a big sell for Delta.
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said although I do wonder about JetBlue's planned international expansion and whether they could one day rival Delta in terms of international non-stops from Logan. I could see JetBlue eventually trying to do Amsterdam, Paris, Lisbon, Rome etc. from Logan. But that's long way off, Delta has a big head start and JetBlue needs to get their domestic house in order first.
 

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I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said although I do wonder about JetBlue's planned international expansion and whether they could one day rival Delta in terms of international non-stops from Logan. I could see JetBlue eventually trying to do Amsterdam, Paris, Lisbon, Rome etc. from Logan. But that's long way off, Delta has a big head start and JetBlue needs to get their domestic house in order first.
I think the two biggest limiting factors are JetBlue's fleet and the lack of a major alliance. They've done a good job of creating strategic partnerships, but they're still nowhere close to the reach and simplicity of SkyTeam (or Star Alliance and Oneworld). And while they may be able to make inroads to some extent in major Western European markets, it's hard to imagine that they'll be able to compete on the capacity front with an entirely narrow body fleet when you look at what Delta and their SkyTeam partners (i.e. Virgin Atlantic, KLM, Air France, Alitalia, etc.) offer to the same markets.
 

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At this point, Delta has built out their network in Boston to the point where they can really sell themselves to both business and leisure travelers over JetBlue. Not only that, their facilities in Boston are better than JetBlue's. Add in the international service that JetBlue cannot match, and will probably never match, it's a big sell for Delta.
You're not wrong, but unless I'm going to a Delta hub I've always found them to be the most expensive, least convenient option. The route map is there, but I'm not sure the service is.
 

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I think the two biggest limiting factors are JetBlue's fleet and the lack of a major alliance. They've done a good job of creating strategic partnerships, but they're still nowhere close to the reach and simplicity of SkyTeam (or Star Alliance and Oneworld). And while they may be able to make inroads to some extent in major Western European markets, it's hard to imagine that they'll be able to compete on the capacity front with an entirely narrow body fleet when you look at what Delta and their SkyTeam partners (i.e. Virgin Atlantic, KLM, Air France, Alitalia, etc.) offer to the same markets.
Not to mention that with their alliances with KLM and Air France, they can offer one-stop service to pretty much anywhere in Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East.
 

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At this point, Delta has built out their network in Boston to the point where they can really sell themselves to both business and leisure travelers over JetBlue. Not only that, their facilities in Boston are better than JetBlue's. Add in the international service that JetBlue cannot match, and will probably never match, it's a big sell for Delta.
Lately Delta and JetBlue have been competing to be the least reliable carrier.
 

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JetBlue BOS-LGW/LHR flight launches delayed, allegedly due to Airbus delivery delays. LGW pushed to August 4th and LHR to Sept 20, from July 19 & August 22 respectively.

 

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Another great article about Delta's expansion at Logan. A new Delta Sky Club being built in Terminal E (you heard it here first, boys and girls) is mentioned, as well as a fleet of Porche's to shuttle Medallion and VIP passengers who have short connections. That's JFK sorta stuff which seems to be a first for Logan. Delta seems to be going all out to use Logan as a secondary European hub.

 
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JetBlue BOS-LGW/LHR flight launches delayed, allegedly due to Airbus delivery delays. LGW pushed to August 4th and LHR to Sept 20, from July 19 & August 22 respectively.

Or bookings are terrible. If they really wanted to fly the route and the passengers were there they could do a lease/charter.
 

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Or bookings are terrible. If they really wanted to fly the route and the passengers were there they could do a lease/charter.
Except that's not their M.O. A big part of their selling point is their hard product on this route and it'd be hard to find a comparable A321LR they could lease that would feature a cabin close to what they have. Plus the added cost along with all their existing operational issues at the moment.
 

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Except that's not their M.O. A big part of their selling point is their hard product on this route and it'd be hard to find a comparable A321LR they could lease that would feature a cabin close to what they have. Plus the added cost along with all their existing operational issues at the moment.
That may be but in reality their hard product is nothing special and there are charter operators like Omni and National that could pick up the slack. Maybe they could even work out a deal with Aer Lingus which currently has all its A330-200s parked. I would think it’s more important to their customers to get where they’re going than be hugely inconvenienced just to have a certain experience for the short amount of time they’re in the air. We’re talking about Boston to London here after all, not Newark to Singapore. JetBlue’s MO has earned them the distinction of being America’s worst airline so they should probably start doing the opposite of what they’ve been doing.
 

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That may be but in reality their hard product is nothing special and there are charter operators like Omni and National that could pick up the slack. Maybe they could even work out a deal with Aer Lingus which currently has all its A330-200s parked. I would think it’s more important to their customers to get where they’re going than be hugely inconvenienced just to have a certain experience for the short amount of time they’re in the air. We’re talking about Boston to London here after all, not Newark to Singapore. JetBlue’s MO has earned them the distinction of being America’s worst airline so they should probably start doing the opposite of what they’ve been doing.
Doesn't seem like a great idea to start a service with a different (and likely inferior) product. Even if the charter carriers have the spare capacity to fill in, it's not going to do their reputation much good if they're running someone else's metal without their hard product that's supposed to be a big selling point. I'd bet a lot of passengers wouldn't necessarily focus on the nuance of "operated by a charter carrier for operational reasons" so much as noticing that the product wasn't as advertised and wasn't consistent with their expectations. It's true that cancelling a bunch of flights is its own problem and inconvenience, but it's the cheaper and easier option that doesn't introduce a risk of adding another stumble right out of the gate if a replacement charter was too inferior a hard product (looking at you, National).
 

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