Logan Airport Flights and Airlines Discussion

T-100 Data is out for the full year of 2023. I cleaned it up for the below topics.

JetBlue just barely retained the top spot in number of passengers from Delta:
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By the end of the year, Delta had overtaken JetBlue in monthly passengers, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them take the top spot in 2024:
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Do you have a cheat sheet for Carrier codes and destination airports? I know some airport codes without looking, but TVC & YOW, as an example, I would have to Google.
 
Java King said:
Do you have a cheat sheet for Carrier codes and destination airports? I know some airport codes without looking, but TVC & YOW, as an example, I would have to Google.
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Unfortunately there's no real rhyme or reason to them. It's not made easier by the fact that there's 3 distinct systems for notating them, but the 2 big ones are IATA and ICAO; people often use them interchangeably, especially if one is more readable than the other. but IATA is most commonly used in the airline world, which has 3 letter airport codes and 2 letter airline codes.

The thing is a two letter code (even with numbers) is a relatively finite space of 1296 possible combinations. The same thing applies to airports, so IATA codes are limited to those with commercial service, and so ICAO sets are more complete. Plus, the codes are functionally first come first serve - its why JetBlue doesn't have the code JB, but is B6, yet their ICAO code is JBU. (JB belongs to Helijet, a helicopter operator out of Canada). On the other hand, an older, established airline like American or KLM or Delta are easy - AA/AAL, KL/KLM, DL/DAL, whereas newer entrants have to choose from what's not already in use, such as Spirit ending up as NK and Southwest as WN. Southwest is one where I've seen a lot of people use the ICAO code SWA because its just more reader friendly.

The same thing applies to airports. LHR is the IATA code for London Heathrow, but its ICAO code is EGLL, BOS is KBOS, etc, etc. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to decode it without knowing them, but for an American context most Yxx codes will be Canadian.


That explained, heres a shortlist of the most common airline codes in the US:

AA/AAL - American Airlines
AS/ASA - Alaska Airlines
b6/JBU - Jetblue
DL/DAL - Delta Air Lines
F9/FFT - Frontier AIrlines
HA/HAL - Hawaiian Airlines
NK/NKS - Spirit
UA/UAL - United Airlines
WN/SWA - Southwest

For this chart specifically, the more obscure ones are: (I had to look up a couple of these)
YOW -Ottawa, TVC - Traverse City MI, SRQ - Sarasota FL, EYW - Key West FL, PUJ - Punta Cana DR, PLS - Providenciales, PDL - Punta Delgada Azores.
VS - Virgin Atlantic, N0 - Norse Atlantic, PD - Porter, QR - Qatar, WS - WestJet, S4 - Azores aka SATA International
 
Stlin said:
Unfortunately there's no real rhyme or reason to them. It's not made easier by the fact that there's 3 distinct systems for notating them, but the 2 big ones are IATA and ICAO; people often use them interchangeably, especially if one is more readable than the other. but IATA is most commonly used in the airline world, which has 3 letter airport codes and 2 letter airline codes.

The thing is a two letter code (even with numbers) is a relatively finite space of 1296 possible combinations. The same thing applies to airports, so IATA codes are limited to those with commercial service, and so ICAO sets are more complete. Plus, the codes are functionally first come first serve - its why JetBlue doesn't have the code JB, but is B6, yet their ICAO code is JBU. (JB belongs to Helijet, a helicopter operator out of Canada). On the other hand, an older, established airline like American or KLM or Delta are easy - AA/AAL, KL/KLM, DL/DAL, whereas newer entrants have to choose from what's not already in use, such as Spirit ending up as NK and Southwest as WN. Southwest is one where I've seen a lot of people use the ICAO code SWA because its just more reader friendly.

The same thing applies to airports. LHR is the IATA code for London Heathrow, but its ICAO code is EGLL, BOS is KBOS, etc, etc. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to decode it without knowing them, but for an American context most Yxx codes will be Canadian.


That explained, heres a shortlist of the most common airline codes in the US:

AA/AAL - American Airlines
AS/ASA - Alaska Airlines
b6/JBU - Jetblue
DL/DAL - Delta Air Lines
F9/FFT - Frontier AIrlines
HA/HAL - Hawaiian Airlines
NK/NKS - Spirit
UA/UAL - United Airlines
WN/SWA - Southwest

For this chart specifically, the more obscure ones are: (I had to look up a couple of these)
YOW -Ottawa, TVC - Traverse City MI, SRQ - Sarasota FL, EYW - Key West FL, PUJ - Punta Cana DR, PLS - Providenciales, PDL - Punta Delgada Azores.
VS - Virgin Atlantic, N0 - Norse Atlantic, PD - Porter, QR - Qatar, WS - WestJet, S4 - Azores aka SATA International
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The earliest IATA codes in the US tended to make sense for the location: BOS for Boston, still in its original location. But as large newer airports got added to cities, the newer locations tended to get less obvious designators (and then the airports get further renamed to add to the confusion):

Dallas: DAL is Dallas Love Field (original airport); DFW is Dallas Fort Worth (newer airport)
Houston: HOU is Houston Hobby (original airport); IAH is George Bush Intercontinental (original Intercontinental Airport Houston, newer then renamed)
Cincinnati: CIN is Lunken Field (original airport); CVG is Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (newer location in Covington KY)
 
737900er said:
T-100 Data is out for the full year of 2023. I cleaned it up for the below topics.

JetBlue just barely retained the top spot in number of passengers from Delta:
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By the end of the year, Delta had overtaken JetBlue in monthly passengers, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them take the top spot in 2024:
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Does anyone know how Aruba became so popular with New England. I can see why but I always wondered if the island had a strategy to target the Boston and NYC for marketing first before other areas. I'm surprised Delta does not run it year round and American has not returned to running it.
 
Something tells me JetBlue (B6) is going to bleed a lot of cash trying to mature their European service (not just from Boston). Those loads factors are pretty bad when you consider they fly A321s and the fares from what I have seen are not very high.
 
Hainan will continue running 3 times per week on its Beijing (PEK) to Boston service. The return leg will keep its tech stop in Seattle (SEA). This is their schedule through 10/26.

Flights operating on Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays.
 
mass88 said:
Something tells me JetBlue (B6) is going to bleed a lot of cash trying to mature their European service (not just from Boston). Those loads factors are pretty bad when you consider they fly A321s and the fares from what I have seen are not very high.
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I would love to know the load factor in MINT on the Transatlantic flight.

Though it's only a weekly flight, I'm interested to see how Grenada does in 2024. November and December are always a bit light for a new seasonal route (St Lucia and Liberia-CR started off slow too). I wonder if JetBlue should have done Antigua, St Kitts, or Belize instead.
 
JetBlue cuts routes, ends service to Kansas City.
Source:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jetblue-cuts-unprofitable-routes/

Routes eliminated come June.
  • Aguadilla, Puerto Rico, to Tampa, Fla.
  • Fort Lauderdale, Fla., to Atlanta, Ga.
  • Fort Lauderdale, Fla., to Austin, Texas
  • Fort Lauderdale, Fla., to Nashville, Tenn.
  • Fort Lauderdale, Fla., to New Orleans, La.
  • Fort Lauderdale, Fla., to Salt Lake City, Utah
  • Los Angeles to Cancun, Mexico
  • Los Angeles to Las Vegas
  • Los Angeles to Liberia
  • Los Angeles to Miami
  • Los Angeles to Puerto Vallarta, Mexico
  • Los Angeles to Reno, Nev.
  • Los Angeles to San Francisco
  • Los Angeles to Seattle
  • New York/JFK to Detroit
  • Orlando to Salt Lake City, Utah
 
The JetBlue venture out west was doomed from the beginning. With their reliability issues and deep concentration in BOS and NYC it was going to be hard to win out there in any case. Stay home in the Northeast, battle it out with Delta in BOS, and find a way to replace the Embraer fleet with A220s and be the partner of choice for anyone traveling from New England.

Europe is a parallel risk, I'm not optimistic that all the current routes (from BOS at least) are still there in 3 years.
 
I just want to know: Why does a simple flight to Omaha cost more than a flight to London? LOL I was thinking of heading back to Nebraska in May, and it's SO EXPENSIVE. I even checked Kansas City and Denver as options. The Midwest is a destination desert from Boston Logan.
 
Java King said:
I just want to know: Why does a simple flight to Omaha cost more than a flight to London? LOL I was thinking of heading back to Nebraska in May, and it's SO EXPENSIVE. I even checked Kansas City and Denver as options. The Midwest is a destination desert from Boston Logan.
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London is extremely competitive at the moment and I suspect there might be some airlines deliberately making losses to gain market share. Norse was probably doing this last year and JetBlue might be doing it currently. Getting to Omaha also (AFAIK) requires a connecting flight, so that could contribute as well. Looking at other transatlantic destinations, and excluding PLAY because their prices are more than a bit misleading, it will probably be more in line with your expectations.
 
Java King said:
I just want to know: Why does a simple flight to Omaha cost more than a flight to London? LOL I was thinking of heading back to Nebraska in May, and it's SO EXPENSIVE. I even checked Kansas City and Denver as options. The Midwest is a destination desert from Boston Logan.
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Did your dates coincide with the Berkshire-Hathaway annual meeting? That’s the first weekend in May.
 
Justbuildit said:
The JetBlue venture out west was doomed from the beginning. With their reliability issues and deep concentration in BOS and NYC it was going to be hard to win out there in any case. Stay home in the Northeast, battle it out with Delta in BOS, and find a way to replace the Embraer fleet with A220s and be the partner of choice for anyone traveling from New England.

Europe is a parallel risk, I'm not optimistic that all the current routes (from BOS at least) are still there in 3 years.
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I am sure JetBlue is kicking themselves for not going all in on buying Virgin America and letting Alaska outbid them.
 
kmp1284 said:
Did your dates coincide with the Berkshire-Hathaway annual meeting? That’s the first weekend in May.
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No, but that's a good thought! As others have said, it's a connection city with limited airline options/competition so they can charge premium prices.
 
adamh8297 said:
Does anyone know how Aruba became so popular with New England. I can see why but I always wondered if the island had a strategy to target the Boston and NYC for marketing first before other areas. I'm surprised Delta does not run it year round and American has not returned to running it.
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The Aruba - Boston Connection

Anthony Everett discovers why so many New Englanders vacation in Aruba; hijinks with the Jolly Pirates
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Spirit Airlines continues to expand their Boston network. They just announced new non-stop destinations.

Kansas City - MCI daily flights begin July 10
Detroit - DTW daily flights begin June 5
Columbus - CMH daily flights begin June 5
Chicago - ORD daily flights begin June 5
Pittsburgh - PIT daily flights begin June 5

If I am reading things correctly, they will have non-stop service to:

Kansas City
Detroit
Columbus
Chicago
Pittsburgh
Atlanta
Baltimore/Washington
Charleston
Charlotte
Dallas/Ft. Worth
Fort Lauderdale
Houston - Intercontinental
Nashville
Newark
Norfolk
Myrtle Beach
Orlando
San Juan

They started and then cut Phoenix, Las Vegas, and Los Angeles. Spirit has added service on three routes that JetBlue ended - Newark, Baltimore/Washington and Kansas City.
 
cubbe8 said:
Never knew there was a gate B40 in Terminal C.
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It's in the B-C connector. That's a JetBlue flight number so I'm guessing it has Terminal C listed there because that's where JetBlue check-in would be. If it just said Gate B40, people might inadvertently go to Terminal B, and not be able to check in and check baggage. So it actually does make sense, just in a way that looks like an error.
 
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