Logan Flight Additions

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Looks like JetBlue is adding non-stop service from Logan to Bozeman (BZN). Haven't seen the frequency, times or start date yet. Based on that addition and the Steamboat/Hayden add last year, I wonder if we eventually see JetBlue winter non-stop service to Jackson Hole (JAC). I've always wondered about Reno/Tahoe too.
Nice another Ikon pass flight. That flight also makes sense for summer Yellowstone traffic.

I hope they add a flight to Aspen too.
 

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LEVEL is dropping BOS-ORY .. before it even started.

However, this week we added so many routes, that losing a summer seasonal ORY isn't a huge deal. Also could this mean a drop of an AA BOS-CDG?
 

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LEVEL is dropping BOS-ORY .. before it even started.

However, this week we added so many routes, that losing a summer seasonal ORY isn't a huge deal. Also could this mean a drop of an AA BOS-CDG?
Boston to Europe is over served, just like pretty much every US city including places like Miami, San Francisco and Dallas/Ft. Worth. Bookings must have been pretty bad for them to cut it before it even began. I doubt we'll see AA start service to CDG. Air France/Delta have it well served.
 

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Frontier Airlines is adding new daily nonstop service from BOS-PHL.

Service begins May 1st, 2020 and runs on a daily schedule.

Now there will be 27x daily departures on BOS-PHL (Peak Day). 12x AA, 8x jetBlue, 6x Delta, 1x Frontier.

*Edited to reflect 12, not 10, AA Departures*
 
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Frontier Airlines is adding new daily nonstop service from BOS-PHL.

Service begins May 1st, 2020 and runs on a daily schedule.

Now there will be 25x daily departures on BOS-PHL (Peak Day). 10x AA, 8x jetBlue, 6x Delta, 1x Frontier.
There's no way that's sustainable.

AA needs the flights to feed their network, but DL and B6 have more than enough capacity on that route for business P2P travel.
 

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There's no way that's sustainable.

AA needs the flights to feed their network, but DL and B6 have more than enough capacity on that route for business P2P travel.
Yeah AUS, RDU, NYC, PHL and SFO are all very overserved for this upcoming summer. However, I think Frontier will do well because its really the only 'get away' flight, or being heavily advertised as. Fares are very low and the times are great.. mid morning.

AA has already cut PHL from peak day 16 daily flights. However I could stand corrected on 10x this summer peak day... it might be more 12 to 14.

*Edit: Yes... AA has 12, my mistake* So very overkill in all honesty.
 
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Frontier seems an odd entry for BOS-PHL, and I have doubts about their ability to survive on the route. As North Shore mentioned, AA can weather reduced P2P traffic considering AA is a hub and feeds the rest of their network. Delta and JetBlue have big followings out of Boston and can probably also serve the business and (I would imagine, small) leisure market. I just don't know who will be flying Frontier to PHL once the promo fares are gone.
 

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Given that AA chased Southwest out of BOS-PHL, I don't see how Frontier lasts, unless it is somehow a utilization or positioning flight, a short hop that fills a plane's midday.
 

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Given that AA chased Southwest out of BOS-PHL, I don't see how Frontier lasts, unless it is somehow a utilization or positioning flight, a short hop that fills a plane's midday.
But didn't AA do that when they had a lock on the route? With B6 and DL, it's a different context this time.
 

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But didn't AA do that when they had a lock on the route? With B6 and DL, it's a different context this time.
Which likely makes even more difficult for Frontier. AA, DL, and B6 are Boston's Big Three. AA has the hub at PHL, and DL and B6 have hubs/focus cities in Boston. All three have big followings out of BOS. Who is Frontier's market in Boston? PHL isn't Myrtle Beach or Orlando. There's some leisure travel in there, but the O&D market is heavily skewed towards business travelers. I am really having a hard time understanding the thought process on this one is, and would expect it to go down as another miss on Frontier "let's throw things at the wall and see what sticks" approach to p2p routes.*

*The exception being that this is purely a positioning flight for other routes they think will be more profitable.
 

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Now that Hainan flights from China are cancelled, will they leave Logan permanently?
 

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Cape Air’s proposal for Boston-New York seaplane service is finally cleared for takeoff. The Boston Planning & Development Agency board on Thursday amended its licensing agreement with Boston Waterboat Marina to allow for docking of seaplanes at the marina’s Long Wharf location for a one-year trial period. The amendment comes with several conditions: Cape Air would be limited to four daily flights, for example, and would not be able to dock overnight at Long Wharf or to refuel there. Planes would also need to yield to ferry traffic
 

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AA announced SEA-LHR and SEA-BGL ... Mostly due to its partnership with Alaska. But this is good news, because it may mean we will see more Boston routes going forward. Some common speculated ones are, SEA, SFO, SJC, CDG, SAN. Maybe UA adding BOS TATL wouldnt be so crazy anyway? Cool to see...
 

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Cathay Pacific reducing Boston service to five weekly flights from seven as part of systemwide adjustments.

 

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Now that Hainan flights from China are cancelled, will they leave Logan permanently?
We'll see what happens with the routes (and who serves them), but the Chinese government is taking over the HNA group and will likely sell off airline assets to China Eastern and China Southern. I imagine that one or both of the PVG and PEK routes will be served by a Chinese carrier, but who and when are the questions. If it actually is the end of Hainan, it's a shame. I've enjoyed flying them more than any other Mainland Chinese carrier I've flown.
 

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We'll see what happens with the routes (and who serves them), but the Chinese government is taking over the HNA group and will likely sell off airline assets to China Eastern and China Southern. I imagine that one or both of the PVG and PEK routes will be served by a Chinese carrier, but who and when are the questions. If it actually is the end of Hainan, it's a shame. I've enjoyed flying them more than any other Mainland Chinese carrier I've flown.
China-US have a set amount of Tier I frequencies (any US City to PEK/PVG/CAN)

Hainan had SEA-PEK/PVG, ORD-PEK, SJC-PEK, BOS-PEK/PVG and LAS-PEK - not all daily but I'm sure BOS/SEA combine for almost 3 daily frequencies.

There could be some major route shuffling. For all we know it could wind up being BOS-Beijing Daxing on China Southern after Hainan's fate is sealed and CoVID-19 is contained.
 

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Id like to see Air China in on PEK, China Southern on CAN and China Eastern on PVG.
I’m not sure there’s going to be any eagerness to take on most of the routes Hainan will no longer be operating never mind a new route like Guangzhou. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Beijing return in relatively short order but I wouldn’t count on Shanghai.
 

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