MGH Ragon Building | 55 Fruit Street | West End

For MGH to finance such a grossly expensive building ($2B ??) proves how much profit our healthcare industry realizes. Just keep people sick so they continue to generate revenue and profits for the healthcare industry and big pharma.
 
For MGH to finance such a grossly expensive building ($2B ??) proves how much profit our healthcare industry realizes. Just keep people sick so they continue to generate revenue and profits for the healthcare industry and big pharma.


"Just keep people sick so they continue to generate revenue and profits for the healthcare industry and big pharma."

Somehow society claims our healthcare industries "keep people sick" yet celebrates every Dunkin Donuts opening. Where's that same anger against Frito Lay? Sure, ignore those but go after the hospitals and biotech?

I get it - there are some bad actors in big medicine/pharma/hospitals, etc. But the majority are good folks trying to better humanity and health. I still can't understand the shit nurses, doctors and caregivers took during the pandemic from social critics and in a few instances, madmen.

Go after the insurance companies - I agree there. How many sports stadiums are named for insurance companies? https://sherwood.news/business/a-history-of-the-american-economy-through-stadium-names/
"....Today, the banking and finance industry claims 29% of all major pro-sports naming rights. And insurance is also gaining ground, growing from 3.3% of sponsorships in 2007 to 10.5% today....." That's a TRIPLING of the pie there - - that signifies a societal business shift.
 
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For MGH to finance such a grossly expensive building ($2B ??) proves how much profit our healthcare industry realizes. Just keep people sick so they continue to generate revenue and profits for the healthcare industry and big pharma.
  1. How much should this facility cost to build, if not $2B?
  2. MGH is a nonprofit
  3. Wouldn't people stay sicker if fewer healthcare facilities were available?
 
  1. How much should this facility cost to build, if not $2B?
  2. MGH is a nonprofit
  3. Wouldn't people stay sicker if fewer healthcare facilities were available?
They are building all single rooms so patients will not have to share their room with 2 or 3 others with beds separated by only curtains. This will give patients more privacy especially when visitors are there. How can you get any rest when your roommates or their visitors are loud? The goal is to prevent the spread of sickness from patient to patient. Remember the old photos of patient wards? Imagine an airborne disease going from one end to the other getting every patient sick? As long as staff practices good hand hygiene the spread of infections should be minimized. The number of male versus female patients will not matter since you will no longer have to match patient's gender in a multiple bed room. Some patients could only be in the same room if they had the same conditions or diseases. Imagine all of the extra sinks, bathrooms and plumbing needed that adds to the cost. Also I heard that it was built to resist natural disasters.
 
Oh, good, you appear to understand this better than I. How are you affiliated with the healthcare industry and in what capacity?
I'm not in medicine - I changed majors after my mom convinced me I'd be a shitty doctor. She would know because she was one. PT - eventually Director - at a hospital outside Boston for almost 4 decades. She dealt extensively with Neponset Valley Health System, then Caritas Christi, then briefly Cerberus Capital, and finally Steward. I was her nightly sounding board in high school, weekly sounding board in college, and monthly sounding board as an adult: she reviled the insurers she engaged with/fought against seemingly on a daily basis. Nothing was as bad as Steward. Ralph de la Torre deserves a rusty shiv to the spleen while locked up in Shirley.

But for what you said to be true - that the healthcare industry "just keep(s) people sick so they continue to generate revenue and profits for the healthcare industry and big pharma" - would mean that the rank and file are necessarily in on the scam. At scale. It would necessarily be true that my mom half-assed her in-patient PSR or conspired with physicians to undertreat in-patients so that prescriptions could be extended.

There are around 22 million healthcare professionals in the United States. Don't conflate the actions of a few hundred healthcare insurance provider and pharma C-suites with those of 22 million dedicated, hard-working, life-saving nurses, doctors, EMTs, and pharma lab techs.

Regardless, this building is a turd. Why can lesser Houston institutions build nice-looking hospitals in the Texas Medical Center while the supposed 6th best hospital in the world gets this?
 
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Regardless, this building is a turd. Why can lesser Houston institutions build nice-looking hospitals in the Texas Medical Center while the supposed 6th best hospital in the world gets this?

I'm curious which of these you think is nicer?

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I'm curious which of these you think is nicer?

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It's all because of those evil healthcaregivers!!!!

I can't remember the last architecturally beautiful hospital in an urban area - - - I'm sure someone can post one - - but the reality is that they tend to need to be utilitarian in structure. My aunt's cancer ain't gonna be cured by sconces and spiral staircases. But fast corridors, and large capacity for movement and logistics may help an outcome or two along the way. That being said, I DO agree that exterior finishes and look should be "humanized" when possible.

MY focus on MGH Ragon is the proposed Blue Line station at the base.

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I'm curious which of these you think is nicer?

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That's like posting this pic and asking, "So I'm curious, you think Back Bay has nice skyscrapers?"

Here are some accurately representative pics of the Texas Medical Center:

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I'm a fan of the O'Quinn Medical Tower at Baylor Clinical.

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Memorial Hermann Medical Plaza is also quite nice IMO.
 
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Oh, good, you appear to understand this better than I. How are you affiliated with the healthcare industry and in what capacity?
It's on you to prove the statement you made, rather than expect us to simply accept it. But suffice it to say, my work is intimately involved with Health Care finance and often adjacent to facilities construction.
 
You like the PoMo building with the two spires. Fair enough. Every other building in those pictures is a brown box with glass stripes.
...and yet those brown boxes with glass stripes still look nicer to me, and would look nicer after a few Boston winters too. One Boston winter and that white Alucobond we have now will look like cheap vinyl siding, streaks and spotting and all. This looks like a medical version of the Kensington, which we unanimously dogged on for 47 pages.

I fully agree that that value a hospital provides is to be measured by the care given, so in the end this is trivial. But we're all posting on a forum dedicated to architecture, and a huge part of architecture is aesthetics.

I also think you're underselling the TMC's architecture. This isn't SSP and I'm not about to spend 30 minutes finding Wiki links to individual buildings. Anyone curious can take a Street View walk and see a lot more variety than brown boxes with glass stripes. It's nothing groundbreaking and won't have Architectural Review write-ups, but there's more variety than we see in MGH or Longwood.

Brown boxes with glass stripes?
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I havent heard a peep about red-blue in a loooong time now. When this project was proposed and a connection to red-blue was a part of the second tower, there was a lot of buzz. Is this because the dems lost reelection and all of the infrastructure money dried up even the stuff that was voted for by congress is being clawed back?
 
I wish we could get more of a look into that mechanical penthouse. That one duct elbow is massive.
 
I havent heard a peep about red-blue in a loooong time now. When this project was proposed and a connection to red-blue was a part of the second tower, there was a lot of buzz. Is this because the dems lost reelection and all of the infrastructure money dried up even the stuff that was voted for by congress is being clawed back?
It's because the T doesn't want to build this and the legislature, as a whole, still hates the city.
 
I havent heard a peep about red-blue in a loooong time now. When this project was proposed and a connection to red-blue was a part of the second tower, there was a lot of buzz. Is this because the dems lost reelection and all of the infrastructure money dried up even the stuff that was voted for by congress is being clawed back?
The project doesn't really align with the T's current investment objectives (below), which is essentially to keep the system running. By the time they've allocated the funding for the critical "lights-on" projects, there's little to no money left for expansion. Consequently, there was no additional funding for the project in the most recent CIP cycle, but there is $19M in programmed spending (for design and other soft costs) through FY30.

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