New Red and Orange Line Cars

Lrfox said:
Proof that the MBTA has moments of efficiency.
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Well, the trailer pictured has a Chinese license plate and the banner above the door is in Chinese, so I'm going to guess that picture wasn't taken on arrival.
 
I suspect there are two shipments, one of car shells to Springfield and one of pilot cars to Boston, after reading through all the tweets and press releases... And I think the shells have arrived in Springfield and the pilot cars are on route to Boston, and the PR guys are just using all the wrong photographs for everything....

Saw two orange line trains on the tracker at once today, seems like the second set is possibly getting ready...
 
That's great - but when are they going to actually start running them full time? Still haven't seen one out after about 1:00 PM... ever.
 
The new one is currently running, though the month old one currently isin't.
 
Boston Globe
For the time being, Pesaturo added, the MBTA will have one new train operating during the first half of the day, and then the second new train operating during the latter part of the day, “so that a new train is in service all day.”
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statler said:
Boston Globe
For the time being, Pesaturo added, the MBTA will have one new train operating during the first half of the day, and then the second new train operating during the latter part of the day, “so that a new train is in service all day.”
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And sure enough, there's a new train running right now and it's not the one that was running this morning.
 
How many hours of service does a normal Orange Line train car log per day? As things progress, how many hours per day should we expect a new Orange Line train to run?
 
Why are the new OL trains taking so long being put into service?
 
Anyone have an idea when we'll see a noticeable improvement on the headway front? It may have been mentioned at some point before, but I'm not sure how the T is managing the retirement of older trains from service relative the arrival of new ones. So I'm not sure at what point we'll see a net gain in terms of the number of vehicles in service. And as others have said, neither of the new trains have run during both the morning/afternoon rush yet. In fact, neither of the new sets is running at all today (at least as of about 10am). I realize that in 6 months this question will likely be irrelevant, but I'm just curious.
 
Lrfox said:
Anyone have an idea when we'll see a noticeable improvement on the headway front? It may have been mentioned at some point before, but I'm not sure how the T is managing the retirement of older trains from service relative the arrival of new ones. So I'm not sure at what point we'll see a net gain in terms of the number of vehicles in service. And as others have said, neither of the new trains have run during both the morning/afternoon rush yet. In fact, neither of the new sets is running at all today (at least as of about 10am). I realize that in 6 months this question will likely be irrelevant, but I'm just curious.
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It requires (1) the signal improvements to be substantially complete and (2) the fleet expansion part of the order to start. The new cars accelerate and brake much faster, which is what the signal optimization is based on. All old cars have to be retired before there's any showable effect from that, and of course the expansion fleet has to come before are enough raw bodies to run at the new car spacing. So it'll be near the very end long after the 1:1 replacements of old stock have stopped, after deliveries have gone strictly to increasing the numbers.

Same deal with Red, although there's a bit less of a frequency bump and less of an expansion fleet to chase at the end.
 
In other words -- enjoy the New Cars -- Now for their aesthetics and put on hold anything system performance wise
 
whighlander said:
In other words -- enjoy the New Cars -- Now for their aesthetics and put on hold anything system performance wise
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No, that is absolutely not the case. Read before replying, please. I described the exact scheduled-and-paid-for sequence of frequency improvements on both lines.
 
F-Line to Dudley said:
It requires (1) the signal improvements to be substantially complete and (2) the fleet expansion part of the order to start. The new cars accelerate and brake much faster, which is what the signal optimization is based on. All old cars have to be retired before there's any showable effect from that, and of course the expansion fleet has to come before are enough raw bodies to run at the new car spacing. So it'll be near the very end long after the 1:1 replacements of old stock have stopped, after deliveries have gone strictly to increasing the numbers.

Same deal with Red, although there's a bit less of a frequency bump and less of an expansion fleet to chase at the end.
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Awesome, thank you. I didn't even consider the signal improvements.
 
The new cars have been out of service for the past 3 days? Unforseen issues?
 
Potentially rolling out a software change that requires testing out of service...
EDIT: literally just saw this on Twitter. Sounds like there was an issue on the run three days ago with a door opening while in motion 😬 that'll probably take them out for a few days minimum while software is fixed. Chris Friend has traditionally been a pretty reliable source, he does a ton of analysis of MBTA data.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1176677405404147713
 
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