Petty Arguments Cut From Serious Threads

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as02143 said:
I'm going to assume that this guy works for B+I ...

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I'm convinced that guy is Paul Rudd

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jadedarchitect said:
I can’t speak for the new renders, but for the old ones the simple reason why the people were chosen is that’s what was available online via archdaily searches. The entourage library back in ‘12-15 was very diverse but everyone was wearing late 90s clothes.
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So the program designers and renderers can use different colors and shades for buildings but not people? I would say representation of the diversity of people is far more important than clothing fashions lol. I'm not going to belabor the point, but as someone who is partially responsible for DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) trainings at my job, understanding that the world (or maybe more precisely, the U.S.) can't be assumed to be viewed through white eyes is just the first step toward social barriers coming down. It's all about re-understanding society and history through a non-white-anglo-Christian-straight lens. The adult generations need to comprehend this first before they can teach and demonstrate it to the children coming up after. We ALL need to be seen and see ourselves in the world we live in.
 
gac108 said:
So the program designers and renderers can use different colors and shades for buildings but not people? I would say representation of the diversity of people is far more important than clothing fashions lol. I'm not going to belabor the point, but as someone who is partially responsible for DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) trainings at my job, understanding that the world (or maybe more precisely, the U.S.) can't be assumed to be viewed through white eyes is just the first step toward social barriers coming down. It's all about re-understanding society and history through a non-white-anglo-Christian-straight lens. The adult generations need to comprehend this first before they can teach and demonstrate it to the children coming up after. We ALL need to be seen and see ourselves in the world we live in.
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Omg. We see this everywhere, every day. Can we not inject DEI into a forum about architecture? It's a render of a tower. Go talk about it on Twitter. Eyeroll emoji x 100000000000000
 
dotdude78 said:
Omg. We see this everywhere, every day. Can we not inject DEI into a forum about architecture? It's a render of a tower. Go talk about it on Twitter. Eyeroll emoji x 100000000000000
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Gee so sorry to bring some awareness to your world. Get a grip. The discussion is about renders on an architecture website that encompasses society and the community that building lives in. You’re eye rolling peoples’ very existence, including my own and others on this forum. So you’re belittling us with your lack of understanding. Maybe you need to be in a different region of the country where others like you also don’t care about those around them.
 
gac108 said:
It's very clear the lens some people look through in their lives. I guess it's just upbringing, experiences, possibly general disinterest in those around them. This is a major transportation center and for SURE the people using this station over the next few years will look far more diverse than this depiction.
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gac108 said:
.....I'm not going to belabor the point, but as someone who is partially responsible for DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) trainings at my job, understanding that the world (or maybe more precisely, the U.S.) can't be assumed to be viewed through white eyes is just the first step toward social barriers coming down....
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Let's be honest about your lens. Your career requires you to find offense at what the rest of us consider to be everyday things. You are literally paid to be offended!

By the way, my lens includes being a member of one of the most oppressed groups throughout history. Instead of crying victimhood, those of us who remain have risen towards the top of society by embracing ideals like education and accountability, in spite of the hatred that continues to be shown towards us. I choose to focus on people's merit, rather than things that cannot be changed, like the color of their skin. Even though the percentages don't exactly line up, any singular person can find success in today's America, if they intentionally apply themselves towards reaching that success. It took me many years to get where I am, and I had many blips along the way, but perseverance does pay off in the "land of opportunity."
 
DZH22 said:
Let's be honest about your lens. Your career requires you to find offense at what the rest of us consider to be everyday things. You are literally paid to be offended!

By the way, my lens includes being a member of one of the most oppressed groups throughout history. Instead of crying victimhood, those of us who remain have risen towards the top of society by embracing ideals like education and accountability, in spite of the hatred that continues to be shown towards us. I choose to focus on people's merit, rather than things that cannot be changed, like the color of their skin. Even though the percentages don't exactly line up, any singular person can find success in today's America, if they intentionally apply themselves towards reaching that success. It took me many years to get where I am, and I had many blips along the way, but perseverance does pay off in the "land of opportunity."
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where is Waldo?
I see an non Caucasian sitting on the bench 💁‍
 
DZH22 said:
Let's be honest about your lens. Your career requires you to find offense at what the rest of us consider to be everyday things. You are literally paid to be offended!

By the way, my lens includes being a member of one of the most oppressed groups throughout history. Instead of crying victimhood, those of us who remain have risen towards the top of society by embracing ideals like education and accountability, in spite of the hatred that continues to be shown towards us. I choose to focus on people's merit, rather than things that cannot be changed, like the color of their skin. Even though the percentages don't exactly line up, any singular person can find success in today's America, if they intentionally apply themselves towards reaching that success. It took me many years to get where I am, and I had many blips along the way, but perseverance does pay off in the "land of opportunity."
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It's not my actual job, it's part of a committee that I'm on at my job. I attend seminars, and assist with discussions of DEI matters for other employees in our office. I don't get "paid to be offended", in fact I only get a small stipend to do this in my office in addition to my actual job. All of the things you are talking about are all interconnected and to simply assume that all citizens can find success, as if there aren't barriers in place to members of minority groups that don't exist for white males, is beyond ignorant. Many POC and other minority group members value education, hard work, and other "values", perhaps more than many other white people who have surpassed them financially, career opportunities, treatment by others in society, etc. There are dozens of examples of this in the news daily. To simplify it to what you're saying is so insensitive and ignorant. Let's all own our upbringing and realize that the room for growth toward a greater understanding is the only path forward for this country. I'm finished and would encourage you DZH and others of this mindset to attend seminars, read articles, watch TEDTalks etc.
 
dotdude78 said:
Omg. We see this everywhere, every day. Can we not inject DEI into a forum about architecture? It's a render of a tower. Go talk about it on Twitter. Eyeroll emoji x 100000000000000
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This right here, is exactly why we need to talk about it. It's not just a niche issue, it's pervasive. And if we push it away and proclaim it only applies in certain places, we are essentially saying we aren't actually interested in DEI at all. It definitely belongs in an architecture forum.
 
gac108 said:
It's not my actual job, it's part of a committee that I'm on at my job. I attend seminars, and assist with discussions of DEI matters for other employees in our office. I don't get "paid to be offended", in fact I only get a small stipend to do this in my office in addition to my actual job. All of the things you are talking about are all interconnected and to simply assume that all citizens can find success, as if there aren't barriers in place to members of minority groups that don't exist for white males, is beyond ignorant. Many POC and other minority group members value education, hard work, and other "values", perhaps more than many other white people who have surpassed them financially, career opportunities, treatment by others in society, etc. There are dozens of examples of this in the news daily. To simplify it to what you're saying is so insensitive and ignorant. Let's all own our upbringing and realize that the room for growth toward a greater understanding is the only path forward for this country. I'm finished and would encourage you DZH and others of this mindset to attend seminars, read articles, watch TEDTalks etc.
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Anybody can find success within their own strengths and capabilities. I could have practiced basketball 24/7 for years and wouldn't have even made a D1 college squad because I wasn't born tall enough or athletic enough. But I do have other strengths and had to figure out what those are and how to leverage them. Is it "fair" that Lebron James is 6'9" and most of us aren't, and thus don't have the same ability to earn 10's of millions of dollars in the NBA? People are paid for the value they create. You show me any job and I'll show you a minority who found success at that job, up to and including the President of The United States of America!

Life isn't fair, to the extent that even first born children are statistically better off across a variety of measurements than their later born siblings. That means we can't find "fairness" within outcomes from the same families, let alone across the spectrum of entire countries! We could also say that if you were born in or around Boston you'll have a better chance of finding success than if you were born in Mississippi or Alabama.

Life isn't fair, where I have to wear glasses and it's a huge pain in the behind. If you don't need glasses you are "sight-abled." Do you know what I would give to be "site-abled?" It would have made my life so much easier in sports (try doing a header in soccer when it smashes your glasses) and I could have still seen on a rainy day. Even today, my glasses fog right up every time I put on a mask. It isn't really "fair" that I have to go through that, is it? But it's life. I would never survive an apocalyptic event, because as soon as I broke or lost my glasses, I would be done for.

I recommend everybody to read this short story by Ray Bradbury, called Harrison Bergeron. It's the end-game of the path people like you are leading us down. Beautiful people must wear hideous masks. Strong people must carry scrap metal around so they are no stronger than anybody else. Everybody is forced to be taken down a peg, to the lowest common denominator, rather than celebrating people's gifts and differences.
 
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