Regional New England Rail (Amtrak & State DOT & NEC)

Rockland, ME and Concord NH, too.

Rockland is a NNEPRA acid fever dream. Amtrak mothership wants nothing to do with it until the alphabet-soup agencies in Maine focus their meager attention spans on improving the BOS-POR spine. It's in there to keep NNEPRA from bitching that dad is harshing on their Crazy Transit Pitching...no more. They gave NNEPRA some ill-advised daylight in 2017 to *entertain* the option of extending some summer-season Brunswick trips to Rockland and even ran a one-off photo-op excursion trip, but the comedy of errors that ensued afterwards with the state on rights agreements for the branch caused Amtrak to withhold so much as even filing the necessary risk assessment report out of spite...thus tanking the proposal. They will not be revisiting that one for a very long time, if ever.

Concord would not be an Amtrak joint in any way/shape/form because it's Commuter Rail distance with an active Commuter Rail study that would rote-template the Pilgrim Agreement for NHDOT/MBTA cost+revenue splits across the border. Amtrak has no self-serving need to get involved in that one because the operating mechanisms have already been worked out. It might be placemarked in there because the Biden Admin. is trying to wake the NH Congressional delegation up to the fact that there might be funding streams coming available to advance parts of the extant Cap Corridor plan if NH starts acting like it gives a crap...but that service will never fly the Amtrak flag, only Purple Line. Not until NSRL lets you "Virginia" a stock run-thru Northeast Regional to Portland or Concord, and that's beyond the realm of prediction right now.


EDIT: I'd say the same about Reading and (super-strange NYC routing aside) Allentown. Those are transparently SEPTA-or-bust prospects being placemarked for the favorable fed funding environment, not the would-be service provider. Scranton's the only one of those that's being studied as as ostensibly Amtrak joint.
 
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Rockland is a NNEPRA acid fever dream. Amtrak mothership wants nothing to do with it until the alphabet-soup agencies in Maine focus their meager attention spans on improving the BOS-POR spine. It's in there to keep NNEPRA from bitching that dad is harshing on their Crazy Transit Pitching...no more. They gave NNEPRA some ill-advised daylight in 2017 to *entertain* the option of extending some summer-season Brunswick trips to Rockland and even ran a one-off photo-op excursion trip, but the comedy of errors that ensued afterwards with the state on rights agreements for the branch caused Amtrak to withhold so much as even filing the necessary risk assessment report out of spite...thus tanking the proposal. They will not be revisiting that one for a very long time, if ever.

Concord would not be an Amtrak joint in any way/shape/form because it's Commuter Rail distance with an active Commuter Rail study that would rote-template the Pilgrim Agreement for NHDOT/MBTA cost+revenue splits across the border. Amtrak has no self-serving need to get involved in that one because the operating mechanisms have already been worked out. It might be placemarked in there because the Biden Admin. is trying to wake the NH Congressional delegation up to the fact that there might be funding streams coming available to advance parts of the extant Cap Corridor plan if NH starts acting like it gives a crap...but that service will never fly the Amtrak flag, only Purple Line. Not until NSRL lets you "Virginia" a stock run-thru Northeast Regional to Portland or Concord, and that's beyond the realm of prediction right now.


EDIT: I'd say the same about Reading and (super-strange NYC routing aside) Allentown. Those are transparently SEPTA-or-bust prospects being placemarked for the favorable fed funding environment, not the would-be service provider. Scranton's the only one of those that's being studied as as ostensibly Amtrak joint.

Or, theres a new sheriff in town, and they might be willing to try these new things and ignore whatever crap Amtrak did and said in the past.

Amtrak used to run to Atlantaic City and Cape Cod and Clocker service (among other short routes). Theres no reason why they cant get back into the quasi-commuter rail game. They only left it because Rs changed the funding rules.

If you wait for SEPTA and NH to get their shit together, we will continue to wait forever. Maybe Joe and Pete realize this and are ready to ignore the R-led legislatures in those states that will always vote no. Its hard to tell in the map, but in California, the extension to Salinas/Monterey has been a "caltrain or Amtrak?" question for over a decade. Would be nice if they bulldozed past that wavering and just did it.

This country is crippled by inaction. It would be nice if this admin said YOLO and just actually did things. One can dream.
 
Or, theres a new sheriff in town, and they might be willing to try these new things and ignore whatever crap Amtrak did and said in the past.

Amtrak used to run to Atlantaic City and Cape Cod and Clocker service (among other short routes). Theres no reason why they cant get back into the quasi-commuter rail game. They only left it because Rs changed the funding rules.

If you wait for SEPTA and NH to get their shit together, we will continue to wait forever. Maybe Joe and Pete realize this and are ready to ignore the R-led legislatures in those states that will always vote no. Its hard to tell in the map, but in California, the extension to Salinas/Monterey has been a "caltrain or Amtrak?" question for over a decade. Would be nice if they bulldozed past that wavering and just did it.

This country is crippled by inaction. It would be nice if this admin said YOLO and just actually did things. One can dream.

That's not applicable here. NNEPRA is the corridor manager for the Downeaster. PRIAA makes Amtrak largely a spectator in that process, except for ensuring that the service they operate meets basic standards. It was NNEPRA's inability to get a tie replacement project they had known for 10 years was due get funded, coordinated, and enacted before the DE went down in flames during a miserable 2018 summer of speed restrictions and mass cancellations. Amtrak warned Maine they were courting disaster slow-walking the project, Maine blew them off, and the results ended up eminently predictable. Amtrak was 100% right publicly excoriating them for focusing too much on expansion studies over basic bread-and-butter upkeep, and had to make threats because they weren't meeting basic service standards with their perennial slow-walk of mission-critical upkeep. Until/unless NNEPRA can execute the PTC-to-Union Station move correctly in service of the DE's schedule, and put their big-boy pants on in the negotiating room to coordinate with incoming track owner CSX for resiliency improvements...by all means keep them on de facto probation to keep them fucking honest. NNEPRA can be absolutely terrifying short attention-span theatre to watch when they aren't being pressured with gun at their heads to stay on-focus. It is not the National Passenger Railroad Corporation's mission statement to paper over the corridor managing agency's rank amateurism. Rockland doesn't belong in the conversation until they can get through the other side of Portland without shooting their OTP load. Undo the PRIAA legislation first if we can't any longer trust the states to manage their own routes and need to re-nationalize it all. States were the ones who were clamoring for the extra degrees of control when that was passed. Yes...that means NHDOT and SEPTA need to get their shit together for the cause of waving the States' Rights bloody shirt in the first place. For the feds, that means pulsing more funding down to the states in very welcome fashion, but the states are still responsible for it. Incompetent states, unfortunately, still gonna incompetent. That being the natural downside of waving the bloody shirt for States Rights and reorganizing the whole principle of the network around that.


As for Concord...that one's even simpler. The MBTA has lifetime and irrevocable trackage rights to Concord acquired via the GLX Somerville land-swap agreements with Pan Am. Amtrak does not, and would have to haggle from-scratch for it. The Pilgrim Agreement already exists to template from its existing RI/MA use case to NH/MA and was conditionally approved in for use north of the border to pave the way for conducting the prior round of Plaistow and Cap Corridor expansion studies. Straight-up sign one's Sununu siggy on the dotted line and it's fully out-of-box scalable from everything from a South Nashua border poke to the Concord super-express. NH doesn't have any state-level funding whatsoever for its two Amtrak routes. The feds pick up the full tally for the Vermonter's in-state running miles, and creative accounting tricks lets NNEPRA launder across state lines for the DE. You think the People's Legislature with the attention span of a fruit fly is safe to be tasked with drawing up PRIAA compliance legislation? No one even needs to bother with that task for it to be the Purple Line...just fill in the blanks at the increments the Pilgrim Agreement accrues its costs/revenues on that side of the border. And this is why the Cap Corridor studies don't spec an operator Alternative for Amtrak instead of T; it's exactly that self-evident which is the more straightforward means of enacting the service. Besides, at sub- Springfield Shuttle distances it would take more work to pound the commuter-oriented fares into Amtrak's fare structure than it would the T's to begin with. Following the straight-up paths of least resistance precludes Amtrak for simple reason of not needing to duplicate already-settled legalities. That is not in the slightest incompatible with a greater mandate to Get Things Done™. But if NHDOT having a seat at the table is the impediment to getting things done even if funding is available...a whole fucking lot of legislation has to get changed before screaming at USDOT gets anything done about it. The states have the right of refusal. They just do...whether that's wrongheaded or righteous of them.


Scranton/Binghamton/et al. is the route that blurs the lines on quasi-commuter because it's outside of any extant commuter district and would be a shitshow to coordinate otherwise. So it's being forged as an Amtrak service without Commuter Rail alts. Atlantic City doesn't--and never did--fit that mold. What garbage passed for AMTK service on that route over the years was downright terrible and barely usable, frequently yanked to and from with schedule/routing/branding changes in a sign of futility. SEPTA and NJT had their Pilgrim Agreement equivalent to template with West Trenton, and under NJT oversight the service has been enormously more stable and usable (all this despite the public-private "ACES" scheme from NYC falling apart...but absolutely nothing is preventing NJT from giving that another go). No one would rationally attempt NYC-Reading with the 30th St. Philly reverse move under the Amtrak flag and Amtrak pricing over a SEPTA re-extension and making sure the frequencies on both end of the transfer are worth a damn for what pittance of an actual NYC-Reading market there is. Same for Allentown which is an utter laugher of a schedule trying to leverage the Raritan Valley Line across Jersey for the one-seat vs. transferring at representatively good constituent frequencies in Philly.

California is a completely different animal because the regional transit agencies are so balkanized that stringing together 'a' corridor is nearly an exercise in futility. Metrolink, for an example, is an optics-unified commuter rail system...but its individual routes fall under up to 4 different regional transit agencies like PRIAA run-amok at the county level. "Amtrak California" exists at all as a semi-breakaway brand because of the way Caltrans has to hustle cooperation between umpteen different Joint ____ Corridor Authority boards to string anything together. It could not be more alien to how East Coast transit is organized by either statewide or 'mega' district chunking.



We learn to purpose-fit because that's how shit actually gets done. Waiting for some mythical Daddy to do it for us by running roughshod over every obstacle for damn sure isn't going to bring the results. You can hate PRIAA for its maddening pitfalls of needing the funding to percolate through the states before being applied, but let's at least be clear where that bile gets directed before screaming that we'd have all our transpo candy if only some Daddy ran roughshod hard enough over it. Daddy isn't in charge of that; the law has to wholesale-change before you can put him there.
 
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We learn to purpose-fit because that's how shit actually gets done. Waiting for some mythical Daddy to do it for us by running roughshod over every obstacle for damn sure isn't going to bring the results. You can hate PRIAA for its maddening pitfalls of needing the funding to percolate through the states before being applied, but let's at least be clear where that bile gets directed before screaming that we'd have all our transpo candy if only some Daddy ran roughshod hard enough over it. Daddy isn't in charge of that; the law has to wholesale-change before you can put him there.

And it just so happens, that for the first time since 2010, we have a D-D-D government to make these changes! And Daddy Joe is willing, for the first time in close to 100 years, make the money rain down. Obama had nice maps, but he was all aboard the austerity train.

Do I think everything on the map will happen? No. Will most of it happen? No. But some of it will, and the reason it will is because the map is ambitious enough to convince people from all over to vote yes on making the changes needed.

If you put up a very logical and practical map that just involves 3 states, well, reps from the other 47 states wont care. Politics does involve spreading candy around even if the candy would get you a bigger bang for the buck in one spot.

Also, Id like to note the map is actually missing the Roanoke-Richmond line that Virginia committed to - and Amtrak had a press conference about earlier this week! Thats the kind of line railfans and twitter names would never actually sketch out, but is actually happening. And part of the reason is because the Governor of Virginia knows he needs to spread candy around the rural parts of the state to get votes to fund NOVA projects. And he got them!
 
And it just so happens, that for the first time since 2010, we have a D-D-D government to make these changes! And Daddy Joe is willing, for the first time in close to 100 years, make the money rain down. Obama had nice maps, but he was all aboard the austerity train.

You think a PRIAA law change is going to pass the razor-thin House margins and a deadlocked Senate? Never. States Rights thrust doesn't neatly conform to party affiliation, and so far there isn't even a coherent sales pitch for re-nationalization/un-PRIAA'ing when "Coalition of the Willing" states (Virginia this week) are going for broke and the ones who sit on their hands (NH) relish the power of being the final deciders on whether to sit on their hands. So...no..."Daddy" quite starkly is not the final decider here. They can load up the money train for giant dumps on individual states, but if the nihilist crazies in the Ohio Legislature or short attention-span theatre in the NH House doesn't want to do anything with it there's nothing a Fed official is going to do. Except reassign it to somebody in the Coalition of the Willing. Or...(*gasp*) but for grace go ourselselves...pull it from one state to another because somebody's do-nothing Governor is tanking their self-planning efforts in such consistently transparently bad faith that they've made their state too toxic to do business with.


We are several elections away from having a bloc large enough to re-write the PRIAA legislation. And more than one Leadership team away from plying a case compelling enough to net the whip count. Until that happens, this isn't a "Daddy" question. Just be prepared to act and act smart if you're lucky enough to be amongst the Coalition of the Willing.
 
Can you explain a little more simply for those of us who aren't as familiar with the bureaucratic acronym alphabet soup why:

if the legislature is willing, if the President is willing, if the funding is there, and if NH and MA don't obstruct, the federal government couldn't just fund an Amtrak line from Concord, NH to Boston, MA?
 
Can you explain a little more simply for those of us who aren't as familiar with the bureaucratic acronym alphabet soup why:

if the legislature is willing, if the President is willing, if the funding is there, and if NH and MA don't obstruct, the federal government couldn't just fund an Amtrak line from Concord, NH to Boston, MA?

It's the PRIIA law's (Passenger Rail Improvement and Investment Act of 2008) definition of what constitutes a state-sponsored route. That was the great big bookkeeping reboot to the Amtrak network that puts them further on the path to self-sustainability. The states manage all aspects of the route corridor, Amtrak merely operates them. Up to and including the rolling stock which are state-owned, Amtrak-specced and Amtrak-operated. Or Amtrak doesn't end up operating the routes at all, because it is possible to tap a 3rd-party operator instead (as Indiana did for a nanosecond with Iowa Pacific for the Hoosier State before the route went kaput). So it's more than just "don't obstruct"...New Hampshire has to be a willing and active participant if Amtrak is to ply the Capitol Corridor. Unless Massachusetts wanted to set up some umbrella agency like NNEPRA to run-around the non-participant state from a Beacon Hill base. End-running is only possible with NNEPRA on the Downeaster because host RR Pan Am (and/or future-CSX) is a cross-state line owner where the RR's Accounts Receivable in Maine can then go to I.O.U. maintenance/upgrades in NH without Maine violating interstate commerce law, and the stations can subsist getting paid out via picking your spots with some discrete fed funding dumps when they need improvements.

The Vermonter, being an inherited pre-Amtrak route that doubles as a rote-standard Northeast Regional for a majority of its route, is a little bit grandfathered. There fed awards for any corridor-wide treatment get gerrymandered into NH via discrete dumps, and VTrans and MassDOT do more heavy-lifting for their off-NEC/Springfield Line portions to compensate. That is allowed because the NH mileage is too small for their unwillingness to pay to be an impediment for depriving very-willing-to-pay VT of the service they want, and it's got some gravitas to ply there being a legacy route. You would not, however, be able to start an all-new corridor that way because it would have to be fully compliant with PRIIA out-of-box including the vetting process that gets the route approved. And I'm not sure how the Downeaster would manage to operate if CSX sold out the Western Route ROW state line Atkinson to state line Rollinsford to NHDOT ownership in exchange for freight upgrades. Either NHDOT would have to become a full-on participant in the Downeaster or there's some arcane grandfathering asterisk from the DE preceding PRIIA by a few years that would bail them out...because the "laundering"-via-private line owner scheme would no longer be kosher.


In short: MBTA to Concord is already the legalese-easiest way to implement because NH conditionally copypasta-adopted the Pilgrim Agreement as part of the go-ahead to pursue the paper studies for the (now cancelled) Haverhill-Plaistow extension and the first-wave Cap Corridor study (because otherwise...why study at all if you can't ensure ahead of time you have a viable path to operating should the study get a recc'd rating?). Between that and the T already securing locked-down trackage rights to Concord everything is full plug-and-play between the two states on any Purple Line implementation...be it a simple Nashua poke for the Lowell locals or the fuller-build Manchester/Concord plans that would add a semi-express service layer. It would be a much different beast trying to operate under the Amtrak banner, because then you have to engage the full thrust of the PRIIA law and either have NHDOT's full enthusiastic participation or a Mass-sourced NNEPRA-clone umbrella agency laundering across the border (absolute fat fucking chance on that ever happening when any form of T-badged ops is long-settled legalese).


All told it's a better system than what existed before. Amtrak's on a WAAAAY better path to sustainability, and the states that are dead-serious about service expansion have been able to make greater hay on their expansion dreams by being more in the driver's seat. But it's all dependent on the state-level politics...so again "Federal Daddy" can't just impose its will in a vacuum. The nihilists in Indiana managed to use it to strangle a buff-demographics corridor route in the Hoosier State stone-cold dead, for instance. There's thankfully not many of those extremist cases out there because most Legislatures love pork too much to ever quit it, but the Ohio Legislature in particular will be a litmus test for their expansionary portion of the map given how stacked they are with nutters trying to tear apart their mainstream-GOP (and rail-supporting) Governor over COVID FREE-DUMBS and therein.
 
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Yeah - negotiating with the GOP at this point is a process in which you make the bill worse to make them happy and then they still all vote against it.
Maybe they can find a way to give Joe Manchin a lot of highly visible pork for West Virginia, that stops cold at the Kentucky line?
 
Maybe they can find a way to give Joe Manchin a lot of highly visible pork for West Virginia, that stops cold at the Kentucky line?
Heh. Take a look back at the Amtrak 2035 map. It stops cold at the Kentucky line. And that's with Kentucky Cardinal being a perennial most-wanted statie route restoration.
 
Heh. Take a look back at the Amtrak 2035 map. It stops cold at the Kentucky line. And that's with Kentucky Cardinal being a perennial most-wanted statie route restoration.
Maybe to rub salt in the wound they could locate the "Louisville" Amtrak station on the Indiana side of the river. Kind of like the North Attleboro temp infill during RI service disruption.
 
New Hampshire has to be a willing and active participant

We hold these truths to be self-evident... the goal for commuter rail service for the Nashua/Manchester/Concord population node/regional economy is to further tether it to the regional superpower that is Boston's economy, while mitigating the damage incurred by the preexisting linkage (which is excessive car traffic on I-93).

That is, it is to emulate what the Providence/Cranston/Warwick population node/regional economy already enjoys in this regard, as a satellite metropolitan area that is across state lines from Boston, at roughly equivalent distance, bisected by an interstate, just as Nashua/Manchester/Concord is.

[Wickford Junction, which you could perhaps reasonably argue doubles as the southernmost edge of metro Providence, is 57 miles to South Station; while North Station to the I-93/393 junction in Concord is 63 miles.]

Thus, NH advocates should be waving around studies showing how metro Providence benefits, saying, "see? don't we want to be just like them?" Thus setting up a (theoretically) healthy discourse in which NH opponents can argue (either with merit or without) that said studies are false or misleading.

But... do said studies even exist? (And if not, shouldn't NH advocates be clamoring to commission them?)

Or, is this the wrong way to frame the theoretical argument, altogether?
 
Thus, NH advocates should be waving around studies showing how metro Providence benefits, saying, "see? don't we want to be just like them?" Thus setting up a (theoretically) healthy discourse in which NH opponents can argue (either with merit or without) that said studies are false or misleading.

But... do said studies even exist? (And if not, shouldn't NH advocates be clamoring to commission them?)

Or, is this the wrong way to frame the theoretical argument, altogether?

All of that proof exists. It's one of the most studied-to-death proposals going. Short attention span theatre just never carries the momentum from one 2-year Legislative term to another.
 
That horn, WTF? To quote Mel Brooks in Spaceballs: "Where are we, Paris?!"
 
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TGV made the other, larger order of Aveilas that start delivery in France a year after they go into service on Amtrak. So yeah, pretty much.
 
Was watching vids on the new Acela. It was topping out at 165 mph!! This was in Connecticut at or near Kingston. It can only do that in certain spots. Not the whole way. Amtrak would have to build a whole new railroad in order for the new trains to reach top speed. It said that it doesn't have the dough to do that. If it had, both old & new trains could run at full speed, or near that. It would cut travel time down considerably!! :)
 

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