Shirley Kressel vs. Boston City Council

The interpenetration between the "real world" and the anonymous realm of the 'Internets' is starting to weird me out. According to kennedy's poll, some 60% of us are mere self-proclaimed architecture geeks, and nothing more.

Shirley sounds like Ned Flaherty in calling out kennedy ("Why are you hiding?"). Frankly, this kind of interrogation is blunter than a digital 'fuck off' - that's the way of the internet.

So will the "rest of us" effectively be banished to the twin hellholes of SSP/SSC?
 
He's a high school kid who lives in St. Louis. That should be enough. He's probably a minor too so unless internet kiddy stalking is your thing I'd let it go.
 
I still want to know who you are. Why are you hiding? Here you are, a Senior Member, you've written 506 posts -- that's a lot to contribute anonymously; your modesty is admirable.

I agree with KMP, you're creeping me out here. But if you must know-My first name isn't important, my last name is Kennedy. I used to live in Marblehead, I recently moved to the St. Louis, MO area. I am a junior in high school, and have an interest in architecture not usually found around kids my age, so I found a place to discuss it with people who know what they are talking about (and these digital people I have a lot of respect for), and I have learned a great deal from them.

Oh, and the only reason I am a senior member is because I joined before we switched to vBulletin (or so I believe).

And for chrissakes woman, I apologized, and this is (1) the internet, and (2) America, so I can have whatever views I choose.
 
Shirley,

You and I have met informally at events over the years. Not sure that you'd even remember me, but I would like to address the subject of Internet Anonymity...

This is a board where people generally gather to discuss architecture and real estate development. It's a smart and great group of people and inevitably all of the ancillary subjects that come with architecture - government, business, law, history and finance.

Some of us, like Ron Newman and Ned Flaherty, have no problem using their real names and saying what's on their minds - and that is great.

For me, the anonymity allows me to continue working in a very sensitive and parochial industry in Boston, and still be able to say "God, I find that building so ugly and horrible" knowing full well that I may have friends and colleagues involved with that project.

All day long, I am working on real estate projects here in Boston and other cities. This site is where you can go on and vent your frustrations at both developers who cheap out and build crap, and unelected "activists" who meddle in good developer's business. I find both groups equally detestable.

You are a lightning rod on this board for one major reason, which I will frame to you in two questions:

How many major real estate developments in the City of Boston have you publicly supported over the years? How many real estate developments in the City of Boston have you publicly antagonized against?

The disparity is why many people have a hard time taking you seriously.

Many of us on this board believe that big, bold and transformative real estate developments can be good, whereas it seems that your position is consistent: all development is bad, all developers are trying to rip off the city, and all people in the real estate industry are out to destroy - not grow - the city that we all love.

I admire your tenacity and your willingness to play the role of development industry foil, but for those of us that may have to meet face to face with a Joe Fallon or Ron Druker and ask them for their business, you either need to be anonymous on this board, or simply not partake in the discussion. And if many of us felt we couldn't partake in the give-and-take of this board, the board would not be as much fun or as interesting.

The result is a much more interesting and honest look at our industry than if we all had to sign every email with our corporate signature block. It's a small city and it's a smaller real estate industry. For me, this board is a refreshing escape.
 
Disclaimer: my ears are longer than in my avatar photo.
 
I went to the last Gaiety meeting and was shocked that in this day and age the city is that blatantly corrupt and sleazy. I'm not sure we stand on all the issues but I appreciate someone standing up to the city. Thanks for your work Shirley.
 
Re: kennedy -- oh, literally a high school kid! ok, never mind, whoever you are.

Re: anonymity on the net -- I agree, it's good to be able to speak openly without fear of political/professional retribution (I understand the parochiality only too well). I only object when it gets personal. Wouldn't you?

Re: how many projects have I supported vs opposed? Around here, you don't need to support; everything is approved as the default position. (I have stood up to support some decent projects when they seemed in danger, for example, the D street development in Southie; Jim Kelly and all the neighborhood people were fighting that 700-unit housing project; I thought they were just being selfish, and I stood up at the BRA to support it and encourage more like it; the BRA folks were suddenly hugging me, it was weird. I had prefaced my remarks by asking the board not to hold my support against the developer, they all laughed, etc.) What do I oppose? Unlawfulness. If I don't like a project but it's legal, I don't fight it -- I'm not the arbiter of good taste. But I don't like the BRA's games with the law. They politicize development, make an uneven playing field, play favorites, aid and abet corruption, and generally jerk everyone (including developers) around. I've always said if people want the whole city zoned for 600', fine. But I don't like the City's pretense that we've got zoning, when it only applies to the little guys, and new renters, buyers and investors come in only to find development springing up next door that was prohibited when they did their due diligence. The lawlessness has led to the destruction of many historic buildings, to displacement of neighborhoods, to cheating land owners who sell their property at prices set to zoning allowances, and other things that I think we'd agree are not good. I don't understand the tower fetish, except that towers are profitable for designers and architects. They don't make a good environment, and the trick permitting encourages speculative frenzies and teardowns. But mostly, I don't like the bogus process for development review. No one is really planning for the city to grow in a healthy way; it's just about projects. It's because the BRA usurped the Planning Board function in 1960. Maybe it would all end up the same even with a real Planning Board, but at least we'd have a chance at accountable governance.
 
Shirley says ---> No one is really planning for the city to grow in a healthy way


Then please enlighten us on your vision for healthy growth. Something about your credentials to make such pronouncements would probably help too.
 
Jim Kelly and all the neighborhood people were fighting that 700-unit housing project; I thought they were just being selfish, and I stood up at the BRA to support it and encourage more like it

In the name of consistency was this area zoned for a 700 unit residential development?

"Neighborhood people" have the same rights as the beautiful people.
 
I`ll answer my own question since Ms. Kressel was on line and chose not to.

No area of South Boston is zoned for a development that large. It probably should be in some areas but that was not the justification given.
 
Around here, you don't need to support; everything is approved as the default position.

I agree with you 100% about the BRA and corruption in the city of Boston, but the above statement is a 180 from reality. The hundreds of threads on this board are evidence enough.
 
Which goes to the root of my problem with your views, I've never once witnessed you support a development, and when you go off on the BRA (which never approves the good projects, or doesn't do enough to secure them) it made me angry that you could be so blind to the need of *certain* developments in this city!
 
Hmmm... I never would have thought I would have so much in common with you Shirley!

Thank you for your explanations. It seems that you and I have the same feelings and yet our minds are wired to react in two dramatically different ways.

In the most simplistic nutshell - you oppose everything because of the city/planning corruption and I push to approve everything because of the city/planning corruption.

It's interesting to say the least, but I very much respect you and your opinions.
 
And as you say, you put in a lot of your own time, and your own money-to bring this to light. I agree we have a corrupt government, which goes to show-aren't there much larger conspiracies you could have used this money and time to uncover? Conspiracies that were actually causing the city serious harm?
 
To underground and kennedy (1): Can you give me names of projects the BRA has rejected? I've been attending their board meetings for about a decade, and I can only remember one they croaked: the Pontevecchio-style redevelopment of the Northern Avenue Bridge, a few years ago (Joe Nigro grumbled that it looked like a Mississippi steamboat; I never knew them to be thwarted by aesthetics, so I wondered what was really going on, but never found out; maybe it was to be non-union labor, that would quickly get a project tabled). Sometimes they send something back to the kitchen for a touch-up, if there is a big enough ruckus of opposition, but then they approve it next time when no one is there. But -- maybe I've been missing a large sector of BRA decision-making outside the boardroom? Let me know. What are the good projects of which the BRA has deprived us?

To pelhamhall: I don't oppose everything; I only oppose unlawful projects, and a small fraction of those -- gad, who has time to chase 'em all! (I always oppose privatization of public domain, but I don't think that's what you're talking about.) And I don't oppose them because of city corruption. I oppose them because there are reason for having laws, and the government (or the BRA, which poses as the government) shouldn't be operating a law-breaking-assistance business. Your solution, as you describe it, simply to let everything through equally indiscriminately, solves the "arbitrary and capricious" problem, by taking away any rationale for decisions. It doesn't solve the "fairness" problem, though, because the government is supposed to foster fairness by making up for the unfairnesses that tend to hinder perfect competition in the "free market," like monopoly, collusion, racism and other person-made disadvantages, etc. But mostly, it doesn't solve the problem of the public interest. Do you really think the future of this or any city is best left in the hands of real estate speculators? Is what's good for General Properties good for America? How long would it take to replace every historic building with a slim and elegant and profitable tower on land that was taxed and bought at small-building rates, plunge us into perpetual shadow, displace every low-income person, sanitize and suburbanize every public space, privatize public works, fill the place with parking garages, and generally exploit and wreck the very physical and social environment that makes this such an attractive place for development? Not long. Development is necessary, I certainly agree, but -- I think -- we need to have public policy and laws, like we need to regulate the private markets if they are to benefit rather than destroy society. That brings me back to: if we have laws, they have to be applied, and applied consistently and equitably.

Finally, to kennedy (2): I didn't set out to be the town sheriff. I'm just a landscape architect interested in city planning, and that is how I came, much to my own surprise, to be involved in suing the City, once for illegally destroying a zoning-protected historic theater (the Gaiety), and a second time for perpetuating and giving up oversight on a redevelopment authority that is in my opinion seriously harming the city and was meant to be under the control of the City Council that created it precisely because it had the extraordinary powers associated with urban renewal. I never intended or expected to spend more than the complaint filing fee and an hour at a hearing in court ten days after filing -- that's what the Open Meeting Law provides. (The public money wasted by the City on legal costs...well, that's not my fault; it could and should have been avoided.) There are indeed many other egregious wrong-doings, but no law enforcement agencies or officials or citizens have been willing to pursue them, and generally, one person cannot pursue them alone, even if that were her idea of a good time. But -- you sound like you have some particular transgressions in mind that are actually causing the city serious harm; let me know (use PM) and maybe I can be helpful.

I agree about making no small plans. I'm planning to eliminate the BRA, an imperial power of which Boston is the sole colony. I cannot figure out why, after fifty-one years of abuse, the people of Boston tolerate it -- and only the people of Boston, as no other city in America has outsourced its planning/zoning/tax-relief to a quasi-public (thus quasi-private) redevelopment authority/developers' advocate/real-estate speculator. By now, I'd think there is fairly widespread understanding of its doings, but, maybe not (even I, after 15 years, am still learning astonishing things it does, about which, again, no one who should care cares). As with the larger political structure, there may be some secondary gain for many people in maintaining a lawless and politicized/corrupt system, perhaps the hope of one day getting the right connection and being the one to benefit from an unfair advantage over other, law-abiding folks. Maybe it's a (well justified) fear of retribution. Maybe people just think this is working fine, or won't be any better under a so-called "accountable" planning/zoning department -- after all, other city governments are doing the same stupid things, and if we are to make use of the accountability, we'd have to spend time being informed and engaged and responsible citizens, and how likely is that? If site readers have thoughts on this, I'm taking a survey.
 
To underground and kennedy (1): Can you give me names of projects the BRA has rejected?

Conversley, can you name one project that they've rubber stamped out right? I don't think the historic record shows BRA greenlighting projects. I think it shows the BRA watering down and suburbanizing projects. Sure, 9 out of 10 times, the thing still gets built, but to classify that as the BRA letting developers run rampant over the city... that's a gross mischarecterization.

The funny thing about this argument is that niether Shirley or I (and I can't speak for anyone else on the board, but I'd guess that they'd agree with this as well) like the BRA. But the reason for not liking them comes from two different places. On the one hand, people make the argument that the BRA enables developers to run rough shod over the city. On the other hand, people make the argument that the BRA hand cuffs developers into creating projects that either hurt the city or are doomed to fail. Personally, I don't think either argument can possibly be correct because both are on extreme ends of the spectrum.

What the reality of the situation is... who knows. That might not even be important. However, the one thing that both positions point out is that the city of Boston, and on a larger scale the State of Massachusetts, really needs to take a long hard look at what's going on development wise. We know what works and what doesn't. Why aren't we implementing that?

I think the most damning thing about the BRA, is it's failure at "redevelopment." How can an agency charged with economic development, that controls both housing construction and commercial construction in the city, still be in existance when the city has seen ZERO economic growth in the last twenty years and it's directly tied to our inability to build residential and commercial space? If you had a hot dog cart that hadn't sold any hot dogs in twenty years, wouldn't you, you know, stop selling hot dogs?
 
Conversley, can you name one project that they've rubber stamped out right? I don't think the historic record shows BRA greenlighting projects. I think it shows the BRA watering down and suburbanizing projects. Sure, 9 out of 10 times, the thing still gets built, but to classify that as the BRA letting developers run rampant over the city... that's a gross mischarecterization.

The funny thing about this argument is that niether Shirley or I (and I can't speak for anyone else on the board, but I'd guess that they'd agree with this as well) like the BRA. But the reason for not liking them comes from two different places. On the one hand, people make the argument that the BRA enables developers to run rough shod over the city. On the other hand, people make the argument that the BRA hand cuffs developers into creating projects that either hurt the city or are doomed to fail. Personally, I don't think either argument can possibly be correct because both are on extreme ends of the spectrum.

What the reality of the situation is... who knows. That might not even be important. However, the one thing that both positions point out is that the city of Boston, and on a larger scale the State of Massachusetts, really needs to take a long hard look at what's going on development wise. We know what works and what doesn't. Why aren't we implementing that?

I think the most damning thing about the BRA, is it's failure at "redevelopment." How can an agency charged with economic development, that controls both housing construction and commercial construction in the city, still be in existance when the city has seen ZERO economic growth in the last twenty years and it's directly tied to our inability to build residential and commercial space? If you had a hot dog cart that hadn't sold any hot dogs in twenty years, wouldn't you, you know, stop selling hot dogs?

I agree 100% with everything you said; it's not that the BRA outright stops projects, it just waters them down so far that they are harmful to the city. It's all about poor urban planning, not the lack of development. Also, the difficulty of developing in Boston scares many developers away, leading to less economic growth.
 
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. My previous post was an over-simplified "in a nutshell" blanket statement, obviously with plenty of room for nuance and interpretation.

I feel that you can point to the corrupt system as a reason to oppose developments:

- this isn't zoned for this!
- it's out of scale for the neighborhood!
- the Landmarks Commission is stocked with the mayor's appointees!
- it's being steamrolled through approvals because the guy is Menino's buddy and/or political donor!
- the laws are being applied haphazardly!
- the BRA is shady and evil!!!

And yet, at the same time - with the same angst - point to the corrupt system as the very reason to go ahead and approve developments:

- the zoning is restrictive and ridiculous!
- these neighborhood groups are extorting us!
- these commissions and panels are stocked with the mayor's appointees!
- it's being stone-walled because I don't know the mayor and haven't donated enough cash to his campaign war chest!
- the laws are being applied haphazardly!
- the BRA is shady and evil!!!

It is amazing to me that these two groups that are always warring (the anti-development crowd, and the pro-development crowd) have the exact same source of their angst and bitterness:

The rules of this game are unfair, illegal, and subject to constant change and the subjective whims of corrupt politicians.

For both the pro-building and anti-building groups, the root of the angst is the process, and not the people . If we can remember that, there would be more civil discussion and hopefully, more fruitful outcomes.

My reaction to Shirley and that crowd is to dismiss them with a roll of the eyes and to say, "Well, of course it's shady, this is Boston! Get with the program, you out of touch yahoos!"

It would behoove me to remember the inherent shadiness of the process is actually the root of the anger, and not to blame the people who are merely pointing this out. I will try to remember that in the future.

Whew, publicly agreeing with the NIMBY's on this board is exhausting, please, somebody hurry up and build those new Pru towers at 40+ stories each and get cracking on Columbus Center!!!!
 
I just saw these post by Scott, so I'll answer as best as I can remember. I hadn't been following that project closely and wasn't planning to testify at all. At the BRA hearing, I noticed that it was scaled small toward the neighborhood and taller toward the seaport. I didn't know what the zoning actually was, but no one was opposing on zoning or other specific issues. The objections I heard were that 700 units were just overwhelmingly, horrendously too many -- but 620 would be ok. Which is silly. Or at least arbitrary and capricious. I recall that Jimmy Kelly was trying to avoid the change in the local voting demographic. And there was a lot of finagling about "community benefits," as a pressuring or bartering device, skewing development decisions. So, I stood up to say we need tens of thousands more housing units in the city, as I had figured out when I did my 1999 Globe op-ed on community benefits, and this project looks scaled respectfully near the neighborhood and then moderately higher toward the more commercial area, and that it would build some needed livable neighborhood fabric of the non-luxury level. I did lament the huge parking garage, very unenlightened, but opined that someday, public transit there would be good enough and neighborhood-supporting services would come in, so that all that space could be retrofitted for more productive and environmentally benign uses.

I am friendly with many engaged citizens (aka "activists") in South Boston and Seaport (and many other neighborhoods), and have tried to be helpful in their development advocacy whenever I could. I don't see "neighborhood people" there as any different, any better or worse or more or less beautiful, from anywhere else including my own.
 
I don't know where this post will appear relative to pelhamhall #38, to which it responds, as I can't seem to aim my responses to appear near the posts I'm answering (instructions welcome).

The zoning here is indeed restrictive and ridiculous -- relative to the intended development, anyway. And -- the BRA even admitted this -- that's deliberate; it's like a small-town speed trap, to make most of the development traffic subject to "review" -- that is, political interception -- rather than as-of-right. If the BRA intends to approve towers higher than the zoning because it thinks that's good for the city, then why doesn't it zone the city for higher towers? Why engender opposition by abutters who diligently checked out the zoning next door before they plunked down their money and now find out it's bogus? Why waste people's time in "planning" task forces and "zoning" processes and "impact study" comment letters? Why should small landowners be tricked into selling at zoned limits and then have the big developers make a killing by getting un-zoning? Why? They do this so that the little people keep quiet and don't make waves, and the mayor, as "The Decidinator," can amass campaign contributions and achieve glory as the Master Builder, and the BRA can play power-monger and unjustly enrich its unnecessary bureaucrats, and so on.

And neighborhood groups DO extort developers (or at least they think they do -- the balance is never in their favor, the developer always wins, financially, if for no other reason than that the commitments aren't enforced). For fifteen years I've been shouting from the roof-tops (ok, low rooftops, but still) that there should be no community benefits. In fact, I wrote a Globe op-ed about that (October 9, 1999; I can't find a link but I can send it to you by PM if you'd like). I wrote against AIG's (Impact Advisory Groups -- a bunch of tin cups gathered to rattle at the developer in exchange for letting him do what they otherwise wouldn't). I always tell people: Do not ask for benefits, do not accept them if they are offered, don't even let them onto the agenda. The government should provide our public services with our taxes, and the developer should build lawful projects and be content with a reasonable profit and make it up in volume, and it would all work out better for all parties.

Imagine a world where developers look at the zoning code, propose projects in compliance, with the occasional variance as appropriate, and get to building asap, without shaking hands with a single politician and without promising a single park or school, and we get all the housing and shops and parks and schools we need, cumulating together into a reasonable place to live and do business.

I told Joe Nigro, then construction union rep on BRA board, stick with me and your guys will have a predictable stream of work forever. (He was not amused, and went ahead with his minions and pressed to destroy the Gaiety Theatre, because, as he told me, the proposed replacement tower would be "a few stories higher" than the restored-theatre-plus-housing-above proposed by the Asian CDC, and now they have nothing, which serves them right but takes the rest of us down with them.)

Where were we? Ah, yes. It is Boston, and so dishearteningly shady, but it will only get worse if we roll our eyes and accept it. It doesn't have to be this way.

Which brings me to a related topic: What do you guys think about Deval Patrick's Public Integrity Task Force? Teachable moment and turning point, or public relations stunt and crushing-disappointment-in-the-making?
 

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