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They sure spent a lot of money on marketing for something that will never happen.
 
A lot of residential has gone in. But all of it is 100% residential with big surface parking lots. No retail.

Prodrive is happening.

The pretty pictures, I have serious doubts on anything approaching this. Unless Amazon somehow picks this wild card, the place is too transit starved to be built at this scale.

They state something like 40 bars and restaurants. That's a bar or restaurant for every 100 residential units. That is not smart development, that's building a carcentric entertainment destination.

I like the big dreams and high hopes, but I also live in the real world.

This is the type of development I think should happen in a place like downtown Brockton because of the amount of empty parcels that could easily be developed with a commuter station right in downtown, plus two additional ones 2 miles north and south to support TOD development to support the type of density and residential needed to support it. This location is too secluded in my mind.

Won't happen as there is no support, belief, vision, etc. (plus all the negatives associated with this type of area).

If this was Weymouth Landing or better yet, Quincy Center, I could see it happening more, but those places would never let it happen either as we have already seen.
 
Couple thoughts: the reconstruction of Route 18 is starting right now, scheduled for completion in 4 years. The project will add a lane in both directions at the two primary access points to UP from 18 up to Route 3. http://www.massdot.state.ma.us/high...te18Weymouth-AbingtonImprovementsProject.aspx

The T's ROW is wide enough to add a second track between Braintree and Weymouth, so you could increase CR frequency to here, or bring the red line down as others have mentioned. If you're bringing the red line, is there anything stopping it from being sent into the 'downtown' area instead of having it terminate at the current CR stop?
 
SeamusMcFly said:
A lot of residential has gone in. But all of it is 100% residential with big surface parking lots. No retail.
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Yea youre right. I can see a lot more of the same happening here but this shiny mini city they have here in the renderings I really have a tough time believing will ever come to fruition
 
Suffolk 83 said:
http://weymouth.wickedlocal.com/news/20181001/weymouth-mayor-hopeful-about-union-points-future

These master developers all seem like theyre shady as hell, why can't they get things going down there in a good economy? If not now, it will never happen. I believe Quincy has had similar issues with their master development of Quincy Center.
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I've learned to look at these proposals and judge the likelihood of their success by whether or not the phasing makes sense. If you look at Assembly they had a project phasing with underlying business models that made sense given the location was already in a densely populated area. If you have a blank slate and show a full build-out that clearly will take many many years and require a huge capital investment then my first question is what are you actually going to be able to build in the next 3 to 5 years and the 3 to 5 years after that and the 30 year plan is just a pretty picture.

And if you are a town or city then plan on what those intermediate phases look like for the town in terms of transportation, schools, taxes, zoning and other infrastructure.
 
I can't imagine this'll ever happen. Might end up something like Assembly if we're lucky, but I doubt the glassy towers, smart infrastructure and fake lake are ever going in.

Too bad, would have been nice for MA to break ground in this area.
 
To make it work, you really would need the Red line extended there or Indigo with double track. Neither of those are really all that realistic TBH.

When I was there, it totally screamed "It will never be finished".
 
jklo said:
To make it work, you really would need the Red line extended there or Indigo with double track. Neither of those are really all that realistic TBH.

When I was there, it totally screamed "It will never be finished".
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I agree under this master developer nothing much will get done. I think there's some behind the scenes antics going on. I heard something about they get free water police firefighters and trash service as currently stands. Or they're very behind on those payments. It reeks of this company taking advantage of the towns and getting something for nothing. They will probably go bankrupt and not pay any of their bills while simultaneously paying their CEO $40 mill.

Once the towns can oust the developer it seems they should be able to take over the master plan and sell parcels piecemeal but I could be over simplifying things.
 
stick n move said:
"Dutch robotics company moving to Union Point."

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This is cancelled.



Edit: There is “news” but not good news, I came in through google not realizing this was in development projects, figured it was in one of the “lesser” forums... so my apologies on the bump although there is news, its basically that nothing is happening until they get a new developer which they may start to look for soon if this guy cant work it out.

I figured this was in greater new england, because it should be, can a mod move it there please... thanks.
 
The site has been transferred to the much more competent team of Brookfield Properties and New England Development. The bad news is this:

The firm pointed to University Station in Westwood as an example of the development team’s experience with failed mixed-use projects. When the team took over in 2010, the project had $400 million in unpaid debt and $160 million in infrastructure needs. University Station is now a successful 2-million-square-foot mixed-use development worth more than $800 million.
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So... this is going be a strip mall with some 4-on-1 apartment blocks.

www.patriotledger.com

Union Point board selects Brookfield Properties as new master developer

WEYMOUTH — The board overseeing the redevelopment of the former South Weymouth Naval Air Station has selected Brookfield Properties to take over
www.patriotledger.com www.patriotledger.com
 
Equilibria said:
The site has been transferred to the much more competent team of Brookfield Properties and New England Development. The bad news is this:



So... this is going be a strip mall with some 4-on-1 apartment blocks.

www.patriotledger.com

Union Point board selects Brookfield Properties as new master developer

WEYMOUTH — The board overseeing the redevelopment of the former South Weymouth Naval Air Station has selected Brookfield Properties to take over
www.patriotledger.com www.patriotledger.com
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Good thing the state's almost done widening Route 18 in time for the "Circular Access Road Automile" to set up shop inside. Let's see...a Jordan's Furniture with indoor Sea World exhibit next door to Ernie Boch's Virtual Reality Hyundai Emporium?
 
I would like to see the tallest, spiral tower built somewhere in the Boston area in the near future. Other than that, this whole development never made a ton of sense to begin with. We don't need a "city from scratch" when we already have a real city (to continue improving upon) just to the North!
 
Hopefully it's more Pinehills than University Park for the housing at least. Would love to see some extra commuter rail service to South Weymouth (maybe double-track the stretch, there's room for it); not including UP, there's 300 units under construction next door, another 150 units permitted along Route 18 and 25 units permitted about half a mile up the street. Meanwhile the trains are standing-room only from here to South Station in both directions.
 
ssresident said:
Hopefully it's more Pinehills than University Park for the housing at least. Would love to see some extra commuter rail service to South Weymouth (maybe double-track the stretch, there's room for it); not including UP, there's 300 units under construction next door, another 150 units permitted along Route 18 and 25 units permitted about half a mile up the street. Meanwhile the trains are standing-room only from here to South Station in both directions.
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South Weymouth CR station is almost uselessly far from this development, though. Commons at Southfield Highlands are >1500 ft. away on a most ped-unfriendly high-speed access road with pathetically tiny sidewalks and a bike lane seemingly designed to encourage getting doored by the hastily-striped on-street parking. The northernmost parcels are a full 1.3 miles...closer to the old pre-1958 South Weymouth neighborhood walkup station at the corner of Derby/Pond/Hollis St.'s that the T bypassed with icky-poo faces during the Old Colony service restoration because it couldn't host a big ol' parking sink. Unless RUR service infills a new intermediate stop there at the old depot (I guess renaming existing SW to "Southfield" in the process) and the private developers pony up for a neighborhood circulator bus between the two stops the "TOD" here is always going to be tongue-in-cheek for how utterly not-at-all transit-oriented it is in-practice. And...jeez...if the Westwood Landing people couldn't TOD their way out of a paper bag with an extremely well-patronized train station right front-and-center on the property, there's almost no hope they'll be intrepid enough to fashion a transit connection out of what today is total disconnection. SW continues to project forevermore as just Route 18's faceless Pn'R lot in actual usage with what weak sauce continues to pass for a 'vision' on this giant slab of land. If they were smart they'd be trying to mime to Legacy Place @ Dedham Corporate way, way more than Westwood Landing...but being the same outfit I guess they've gotta eat their own planning dogfood hell or high water.
 
What I like: the single family homes built on small dense lots.
What I don't like: Those homes are 4 bed and 3+ baths and a two car garage with some going for $725,000!
 
Since theres a massive housing crisis in the state and this project has mostly stalled/failed, but theres a ton of open land here close to Boston ready for redevelopment and a commuter rail station, I dont understand why they cant just lay down a bare bones street grid and build 100 5 over 1’s. That little tech city thing they planned was cute, but not gonna happen, so why not just build a shit ton of dense housing? Hell they could even find a way to fit some public housing in here too. The state should be really pushing to try to get something going here. The ironic part is that if they just threw a square street grid over the airport and then filled it in with 100 generic 5 over 1’s it would end up being a much more enjoyable and livable city than the masterplanned city they had planned before.
 
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