Too soon to start planning a seawall?

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No, no.

What we need to do is take all this extra water and dump it on a place that needs it.

Like the Mojave Desert. That place could benefit from some hydration.
 
This is relevant how? Do you think warming based sea level changes will eliminate natural tidal changes? It's not one or the other. No one is saying we're going to see floods during low tide.

Justin -- there is no chance of significant warnming based sea kevel change in your lifetime

You can do the experiments at home with a meauring cup, or ideally a graduated cylinder, a thermometer and a source of heat:

1) direct effect of warming the ocean increasing its volume and hence raising sea level:
a) the sensitivity of the ocean volume to a fraction of a degree change in temperature is very small
b) ocean basins widen as you rise from the botton hence any increase in volume leads to reduced rise in sea level

2) melting ice:
a) the ice that is floating on the ocean -- most susceptible to melting -- well it is floating so when you melt it -- it actually takes up less volume -- drop an ice cube in a cup fill it to the top with room temperature water -- come back when the cube has melted - where did the water go?
b) the land-locked ice - mostly Antartica - -its actually getting colder - no melting here

No most sea level is locally determined by rising and subsiding of land as water is pumped or local geology influences things

Finally the reason for the references to the tides and winds, depressions, etc -- we have to deal with these on a day to day, month to month basis already. Some places on the immediate coast do have sea wallls that get overtopped occasionally and some basements get wet. However, the vast amount of flooding even in coastal communities comes from rain falling in-land filling and over flowing, tidal creeks, drainage ditches and sewer outfalls.

Worry about mega-solar activity and the potential damage to the electric power grid -- that is a real -- not if but when that we should be directly planning for mitigating.
 
No offense, but I think Whiglander knows a little bit more about this than you do.

Hundreds of published scientific papers say otherwise. And usually aren't loaded with political talking points visible from a mile away. :rolleyes:


I think the seawall talk is alarmist, though. It's not like we're going to be enveloped by water rising on some neat-and-tidy curve plottable on a graph. It means Boston is going to be tested by increasing number of 50-to-100 -year flood events from weather systems blowing more swollen storm surges into the harbor. A little bit of rise goes a long way when storm-force winds concentrate it in precisely the right direction. We will systemically figure out how prepared we are for more Scituate '77 type events, and probably be smarting from a few rude lessons along the way. But it'll be spotty, asynchronous, a confluence of things with a not-1:1 obvious tie with a continuous rise in sea level, and manifesting itself through change of frequency of extremes. Our understanding of the phenomena at work here is being drawn way far off-course by the fixation that -x sea ice = +y incremental rise, and +z°C temperature rise = +z°C warmer seasons on some sort of stable continuum we can measure with our own senses...and writing off the extremes as contradictory. It's really the lim a --> b(shit happens) where this is going to manifest itself, and increased chaos. For this century, disaster and disaster prevention services more than civil engineering are going to determine how well we cope. So, yeah...austerians at-your-peril when gambling in the cut-corners casino against those odds.
 
^^Read who the actual quote is from.

That was really well done. Took me a second to figure it out. :)
 
Dear Africa,

Please take this giant container of excess sea water. We heard you were starving and thought this salt water would help..

Love,

America

P.S. why does the taliban still hate us?
 
Hundreds of published scientific papers say otherwise. And usually aren't loaded with political talking points visible from a mile away. :rolleyes:

SO!

For the past 50 years the number of scientific papers has never been a measure of the state of science in any field -- just the state of funding

One paper can and has completely over turned our understanding of the universe rendering thousands of other papers just matter for the recycling bin of History

As true scientists are incrersingly more confortable going aginst the Gov't PC line (and giving up Federal Funding in the process) there are an increasing number of cracks forming in the foundation of the Global Warming Histeric Catastrophim Industry -- aka AlGore, Inc.

Worry about real infrastucture problems such as:
1) increasing frequency of flooding due to the failure of the rain fall runoff models to properly account for upstream runoff that has been exacerbated by development (e.g. Austin)
2) increasing frequency of coatal flood losses due to the Fedeeral Flood Insurance program encouraging building on sites prone to flooding -- i.e. places where no private insurer would give you coverage
3) major threat to the electric power grid and our moder lifestyle due to a solar flare / CME
 
Dear Africa,

Please take this giant container of excess sea water. We heard you were starving and thought this salt water would help..

Love,

America

P.S. why does the taliban still hate us?

That just made me laugh out loud.
 
One paper can and has completely over turned our understanding of the universe rendering thousands of other papers just matter for the recycling bin of History
And which Koch funded paper would that be exactly?

As true scientists are incrersingly more confortable going aginst the Gov't PC line (and giving up Federal Funding in the process) there are an increasing number of cracks forming in the foundation of the Global Warming Histeric Catastrophim Industry -- aka AlGore, Inc.
Global Warming is a plot to make professors rich off federal funding, so says multi-billion dollar energy industry that in no way benefits from you thinking that.
 
I liked the bit where he dismissed fifty years of scientific research with a shrug.

That was neat.
 

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