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Sunnyside landmark status divides nabe

By Magdalene Perez

Special to amNewYork

June 14, 2007, 6:13 PM EDT

A bid to landmark Sunnyside Gardens is bitterly dividing the historic Queens community, once envisioned as a utopian oasis of green spaces and neighborly cooperation.

Built as a planned development in the 1920s, the 17-block stretch of modest brick row houses and expansive courtyard gardens was intended by architects to encourage a sense of shared community. But that ideal has been marred by infighting over a proposed landmark designation, which would impose strict regulations in a community where everything from back porches to high fences are already banned.

"People have been caught in the courtyard taking pictures [of their neighbors' homes] and reporting them for violations," resident Elaine Nickolai said. "This is not the community I grew up in."

Many residents expect the Landmarks Preservation Commission will approve landmark status in a June 26 vote. The City Council would then make a final decision. Commission spokeswoman Lisi De Bourbon would not comment on the vote's likely outcome, but said the community is "worthy of historic district status."

Homeowners are upset to see how the debate has torn the community.

"It seems to have caused a divide," said Hillary Fox, a 10-year Sunnyside resident. "Which is sad because that's not what the community is about."

Landmark supporters argue the community has not been adequately protected by regulations that exist under a special zoning district. They point to illegal driveways and bay windows as proof.

"We're trying to preserve the look of the neighborhood," said Arthur Pearson of the Sunnyside Gardens Preservation Alliance. "Right now if folks want to change stuff they can basically do it."

But other residents worry landmarking would limit their freedom to make changes to their homes and drive up the cost of repairs. Longtime residents David and Laura Sidoti said their dreams to build an addition to their third floor would be "virtually impossible" under the new rules. They argued designation reduces the homeowner to a mere "custodian of something you bought and paid for."

Designation would make Sunnyside Gardens the largest historic district in Queens, with more than 600 private homes.

An April hearing turned into a five-hour stretch of testimony. The majority spoke in favor, De Bourbon said, but anti-landmark residents accuse the other side of beefing up support with letters from preservationists who don't live there.

The argument has cut deep to the community's philosophical roots, provoking debate over whether the neighborhood is defined by its buildings or its gardens. Tom Angotti, a professor of urban planning at Hunter College, argues the most valuable historical aspect is the unique design of open spaces.

"In terms of the architectural details Sunnyside is not especially unique," said Angotti. "You can't keep it preserved by making sure every architectural detail is maintained."

Copyright 2007 Newsday Inc.
 
Although it was originally developed for the working class, it seems too patrician to me to fit that original purpose - but that comes back to the central ideals behind City Beautiful. Elevation of the poor and disenfranchised through beauty. A failed idea?
Do you mean beauty can't elevate the poor?

What, then? Money?

Also, do the poor need elevating?

If so, whose responsibility is it? Are we responsible for ourselves?

Is "affordable housing" inherently patronizing?

Yet, most folks would agree Forest Hills was better than public housing from Day One.
 
Do you mean beauty can't elevate the poor?

In Manhattan the projects are next to the museums and mansions on 5th ave; they don't seem to be helping.

What, then? Money?

Yes, but there also needs to education behind the money so they don't go out and blow it (this goes for everyone really).

Also, do the poor need elevating?

Only if they want it.

If so, whose responsibility is it? Are we responsible for ourselves?

It seems very American to say that we are ultimatly all responsible for outselves in the end but I do belive that.

Is "affordable housing" inherently patronizing?

"Affordable" means different things to different people in different places.

Yet, most folks would agree Forest Hills was better than public housing from Day One.

It wasn't run by a government beurocracy only concerened with public tax dollars. This works out well in Europe but I guess we just see things differently in America.
 
Could you imagine such things for the new Fairmont stations? It would radically change Dorchester's inner-city neighborhoods.
This is exactly the thing to imagine.
 
Public housing tends to work more often in Europe because of the history of Feudalism. Governments have had more of a social contract to provide housing for their serfs/subjects/citizens because of the evolution of that contract.

Since the US was founded in stark contrast to the collectivist bent in Europe in preference to individual liberty, and thus promoting self sufficiency, the inherent attitude toward housing is different. It also didn't help that the majority of land lords in England were part of the entrenched political class and made it hard for those who made their fortunes in industry or trade to control their own land. Private land ownership was, and still is, seen as a form of protection from government interference. Hence why eminent domain is such a legal battle royal and covered in the Constitution.
 
I think someone is putting the cart before the horse. Or maybe putting them side by side...

Individual liberty is not OPPOSED to the outcome of a social contract (in which govt intervention of some sort is inevitably justified). Individual liberty arises out of that contract.
 
"The idea is quite unfounded that on entering into society we give up any natural right." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Gilmer, 1816.
 
Ask the English what they think of council housing and the "feudalism" thesis doesn't really hold up. There is as much vilifcation of public housing there as in the US, with the stark difference that many of the estates in the UK were sold off to private owners under Thatcher, whereas public housing has actually been maintained as a much more prevalent institution in the US.

In fact, the US' bourgeois revolution was mirrored by France's, and by peasant emancipation across Europe. State provisions to alleviate poor housing conditions occurred because of laissez-faire capitalism, not in spite of it. Even the pattern of private home ownership to prevalent in US suburbs occurred to a significant extent because of government intervention in the form of the GI Bill and other stimuli/incentives.
 
Brilliant original post.

Reminds me a bit of Newton Centre minus the tackyish EPCOT-world-showcase-esque medievalism ... although please, will someone bury Newton's parking lot under a post office square?

Take the red roof glitz and paternalistic ethos legacy away from Forest Hills and I think we have quite a number of good transit-oriented neighborhoods here at home.

If I may weigh in on the public housing debate here, and whether affordable housing developments are in some way inherently paternalistic - I think it depends on how it's done, and who's involved. Mixed income residents will often, from my experience, enhance a community. But done wrong it can create strife and divisions - both aesthetic and social. I've lived in London for a while. Over there, most of them fail because communities were not involved. There is an "us" and "them" - with "they" having been brought in by the nanny state. Do this right, however, and it need not be anything like that.
 
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... please, will someone bury Newton's parking lot under a post office square?
Better still, a large multi-story garage with ground floor retail. Vent it mechanically and wrap it in a veneer of residential.
 
Better still, a large multi-story garage with ground floor retail. Vent it mechanically and wrap it in a veneer of residential.

They're getting very good at this in suburban St. Louis. Every other new project are residential condos, ground floor retail, all wrapped around an interior parking garage. I guess it's better than new strip malls or sprawling subdivisions.

My favorite so far, whenever I'm there, is "The Boulevard at St. Louis." If one stays along the 300 yards of street, they'll feel like they're in a big, cosmopolitan city...sort of.
 
The Globe should give you a job doing these photo tours on Boston.com. I think they would be very popular even with a larger audience.
 
With (mainstream) electric cars finally looking like a reality within the next decade or two, and a fully renewable energy supply now technologically feasible, I doubt people will actually be forced to give up their cars in the long term.

People will need to focus on pedestrians and mass transit within cities because it is desirable, not because they are forced to. People will need to revolt against suburbia's urban sprawl because they see how much better things can be.
 

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