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White flight? Suburbs lose young whites to cities


By HOPE YEN, Associated Press Writer ? Sun May 9, 12:52 am ET

WASHINGTON ? White flight? In a reversal, America's suburbs are now more likely to be home to minorities, the poor and a rapidly growing older population as many younger, educated whites move to cities for jobs and shorter commutes.

An analysis of 2000-2008 census data by the Brookings Institution highlights the demographic "tipping points" seen in the past decade and the looming problems in the 100 largest metropolitan areas, which represent two-thirds of the U.S. population.

The findings could offer an important road map as political parties, including the tea party movement, seek to win support in suburban battlegrounds in the fall elections and beyond. In 2008, Barack Obama carried a substantial share of the suburbs, partly with the help of minorities and immigrants.

The analysis being released Sunday provides the freshest detail on the nation's growing race and age divide, which is now feeding tensions in Arizona over its new immigration law.
Ten states, led by Arizona, surpass the nation in a "cultural generation gap" in which the senior populations are disproportionately white and children are mostly minority.

This gap is pronounced in suburbs of fast-growing areas in the Southwest, including those in Florida, California, Nevada, and Texas.

"A new metro map is emerging in the U.S. that challenges conventional thinking about where we live and work," said Alan Berube, research director with the Metropolitan Policy Program at Brookings, a nonpartisan think-tank based in Washington. "The old concepts of suburbia, Sun Belt and Rust Belt are outdated and at odds with effective governance."

Suburbs still tilt white. But, for the first time, a majority of all racial and ethnic groups in large metro areas live outside the city. Suburban Asians and Hispanics already had topped 50 percent in 2000, and blacks joined them by 2008, rising from 43 percent in those eight years.

The suburbs now have the largest poor population in the country. They are home to the vast majority of baby boomers age 55 to 64, a fast-growing group that will strain social services after the first wave of boomers turns 65 next year.

Analysts attribute the racial shift to suburbs in many cases to substantial shares of minorities leaving cities, such as blacks from New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in 2005. Whites, too, are driving the trend by returning or staying put in larger cities.

Washington, D.C., and Atlanta posted the largest increases in white share since 2000, each up 5 percentage points to 44 percent and 36 percent, respectively. Other white gains were seen in New York, San Francisco, Boston and cities in another seven of the nation's 100 largest metro areas.

"A new image of urban America is in the making," said William H. Frey, a demographer at Brookings who co-wrote the report. "What used to be white flight to the suburbs is turning into 'bright flight' to cities that have become magnets for aspiring young adults who see access to knowledge-based jobs, public transportation and a new city ambiance as an attraction."

"This will not be the future for all cities, but this pattern in front runners like Atlanta, Portland, Ore., Raleigh, N.C., and Austin, Texas, shows that the old urban stereotypes no longer apply," he said.

The findings are part of Brookings' broad demographic portrait of America since 2000, when the country experienced the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, a historic boom in housing prices and the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression.

Calling 2010 the "decade of reckoning," the report urges policymakers to shed outdated notions of America's cities and suburbs and work quickly to address the coming problems caused by the dramatic shifts in population.

Among its recommendations: affordable housing and social services for older people in the suburbs; better transit systems to link cities and suburbs; and a new federal Office of New Americans to serve the education and citizenship needs of the rapidly growing immigrant community.

Other findings:

_About 83 percent of the U.S. population growth since 2000 was minority, part of a trend that will see minorities become the majority by midcentury. Across all large metro areas, the majority of the child population is now nonwhite.

_The suburban poor grew by 25 percent between 1999 and 2008 ? five times the growth rate of the poor in cities. City residents are more likely to live in "deep" poverty, while a higher share of suburban residents have incomes just below the poverty line.

_For the first time in several decades, the population is growing at a faster rate than households, due to delays in marriage, divorce and births as well as longer life spans. People living alone and nonmarried couple families are among the fastest-growing in suburbs.
 
interesting read. thanks for posting.

It will be interesting to see crime/murder rates when compared to equally poor city neighborhoods.
 
That's interesting. I'm happy white folks are starting to move back into the cities, but there are a lot of places that I'm not seeing this happen.
 
Unfortunately, when they move back into the city they are bringing suburban mentalities with them. Hence the louder and louder cries for open space and auto-centric development.
 
How long until we get our first 'Paris' state-side (beautiful and well-populated downtown, Detroit-esque suburbs)?
 
Sounds right to me. The amount of Hispanics coming to Saugus from Everett/Chelsea/East Boston the past few years had puzzled me.

I don't know anyone who has moved into Boston though, unless they're in college dorms. Most of my friends do hope to live in Boston though.
 
Unfortunately, when they move back into the city they are bringing suburban mentalities with them. Hence the louder and louder cries for open space and auto-centric development.
Aye, there's the rub.

How long until we get our first 'Paris' state-side (beautiful and well-populated downtown, Detroit-esque suburbs)?
As American city cores urbanize, they naturally become more like Paris.

Even half a century ago, Paris' suburbs were not the place to be. They used to be populated by working class Frenchmen; nowadays, its more and more immigrants.
 
This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who reads history. Minority groups that first settled in the cities have always moved up the socio-economic ladder and followed where the higher classes have gone. The only new twist here is that middle class people are no longer moving out of cities but back into them.

However, since these demographics seem to be mostly young educated professionals who will probably wait a while to have kids, what will happen when they decide to settle down and raise a family? Will they still stay in cities?
 
Hopefully they'll stick around. After people have made a decision that city living works best for them, it's sad when they sacrifice the 20 best years left in their life to follow the herd to suburbia to raise their children.
 
However, since these demographics seem to be mostly young educated professionals who will probably wait a while to have kids, what will happen when they decide to settle down and raise a family? Will they still stay in cities?
You live in New York, van; have you noticed the number of baby carriages?

Wasn't like that when I was a New Yorker.
 
I was in NYC during the weekend. I was surprised by the number of baby carriages in Chelsea / SoHo / FiDi. There's no way I'd lug my baby around the city like that. Ugh.

There was also a one-year old and his parents in the gay bar we were in. It was only happy hour but still ... The three had a meal and the parents let the kid wander around on the floor by himself. The father walked the kid along a ledge above the staircase and seemed oblivious to all around him, including the loud music, 20 TV screens (sports bar), copious amounts of drinking and the bartenders wearing nothing but boxers.

It was quite pathetic.
 
Another wrinkle is that young adults who grew up in affluent transit-accessible suburbs are increasingly finding themselves priced out of those areas (average listing in Newton Centre: $747,043). So where do you go: a more affordable suburb with a crappy school system, or the city with its crappy school system?
 
You live in New York, van; have you noticed the number of baby carriages?

Wasn't like that when I was a New Yorker.

Yes, they are popping up like weeds. But New York is an anomaly. The babies I see are pushed by people who can afford to live in the swankiest neighborhoods (or pushed by the nannies). Those are the upper classes that never left. What I want to see is the middle class families pushing strollers around. To find those you still need to go out to the suburban areas of Brooklyn and Queens.
 
The babies I see are pushed by people who can afford to live in the swankiest neighborhoods (or pushed by the nannies). Those are the upper classes that never left.
All areas of Manhattan are moving towards swank. The folks you're referring to aren't mostly "upper classes that never left." Though they make salaries that would be regarded as high in Raleigh, these are actually yuppies that sort-of made it. And many, if not most, of them are from another place.

I'd call them upper middle class; and because New York is so expensive, they have as much trouble making ends meet as I do in the South at half their income.

Upper class? Nah; the trust fund kids never left Park Avenue.

What I want to see is the middle class families pushing strollers around.
You see it already. You're looking at folks who would describe themselves as middle class --and by New York standards, they are middle class. In New York, that means having a part-time nanny --possibly because dad and mom both have jobs-- and it means making half-again as much as you'd be earning in Memphis for the same job,

To find those you still need to go out to the suburban areas of Brooklyn and Queens.
You're talking about folks who --by New York standards-- are lower middle class.

In any case, the article that kicked off this discussion is talking about white people moving into cities, and other folks moving out. That's just as true in New York as it is in Charlotte.

And in both places, you can measure it in baby carriages,
 
What I want to see is the middle class families pushing strollers around. To find those you still need to go out to the suburban areas of Brooklyn and Queens.

I see lots of middle class folks pushing strollers in Bay Ridge, Park Slope, Carroll Gardens and other sections of Brooklyn that are both urban and less exclusive than Manhattan. Same for Astoria.

white people moving into cities, and other folks moving out. That's just as true in New York as it is in Charlotte.

And in both places, you can measure it in baby carriages,

Question: Since the minority/low-income households that are departing cities have more children on average than the higher income whites they're being replaced by, how can this demographic shift be measured by carriages? Are there less carriages now that there are more smaller white households in cities? Or are minorities less likely to transport their infants by stroller?
 
But New York is an anomaly.

When the middle classes start moving into downtown Indianapolis or Buffalo and parking lots turn into townhouses and apartment buildings in those cities, let me know. Otherwise NYC will just be where the rich get their fun.
 
NYC...and all of the other successful cities in the US (SF, Boston, DC, Chicago, etc).
I don't think New York is an anomaly. Successful cities may be an anomaly, but I'm seeing the same increase in families in other cities that I see in NYC.
 
Question: Since the minority/low-income households that are departing cities have more children on average than the higher income whites they're being replaced by, how can this demographic shift be measured by carriages?
That was metaphoric hyperbole based on a bedrock of truth.

If you've been a regular visitor to New York over the last quarter-century, you know there are for more baby carriages than before.

Are there less carriages now that there are more smaller white households in cities?
No, there are far more. Two reasons for that:

Number 1. Used to be, Manhattan's singles got married and then moved to the suburbs when they decided to have kids. No more.

Manhattan's white households used to be mostly childless: old folks (who have now died), students with roommates, gays and other singles. Regardless of whether whites have less or more children than others, the average size of Manhattan's white households has certainly gone up --married, with children.

And reason number 2 is something I'm sure only stroller manufacturers have statistics for, but you can observe anecdotally with ease; and evidently you already have:

minorities [are] less likely to transport their infants by stroller?

Manhattan is chock-a-block full of strollers, and most of the infants in them are white.

In the suburbs, there's really nowhere to stroll. My presumably inner city suburb in places has no sidewalks; so the hordes of yuppies who have recently moved in combine strolling their kids with jogging in lycra. They run in the roadway, and their strollers are built for speed; they have in effect become the propulsion for wheeled vehicles.

Way back, when I moved into my 'hood, it was working class, plus quite a few folks living on welfare or crime. About 2/3 were white, and the rest were black. There were just as many kids as there are now, but you never saw them in strollers.

So it's not so much a question of ethnicity as class.



(Have you priced one of those three-wheeled speed strollers recently? Unless you're upper middle class, you can't afford one.)
 
Used to be, Manhattan's singles got married and then moved to the suburbs when they decided to have kids. No more.

I won't/can't argue with this. Your point was to demonstrate to van that middle class folks are staying in the city after starting families.

But the trend towards middle or upper income white families replacing gays/students/singles in Manhattan (all predominantly white) doesn't necessarily support the story on demographic shifts linked in your first post (whites replacing minorities). Unless you think the increase in white population is due mainly to household size increases and not the gentrification of formerly low-income/minority neighborhoods (I'm sure both contribute, but my sense was the article was about the latter).
 
What I mean by "New York is an anomaly" is exactly what ablarc said, middle class in NYC is upper middle class elsewhere. What I want to see is the "elsewhere" middle class settling into cities.
 

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