Logan Airport Flights and Airlines Discussion

tysmith95 said:
Restrictions between Mexico and US flights set to end. Hopefully this means that airlines will add frequency's to Cancun or add other Mexican destinations from logan.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-airlines-idUSKCN10W0OE
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The only thing tapped out in Boston per the old bilateral was the amount of USA Carriers that serve Cancun as scheduled service. See below for a link to the post concerning the high amount of 1-stops on Boston-Cancun. You could say its underserved from Boston but is it worth it chasing the low yielding passengers.

http://www.archboston.org/community/showpost.php?p=268947&postcount=3030
 
adamh8297 said:
The only thing tapped out in Boston per the old bilateral was the amount of USA Carriers that serve Cancun as scheduled service. See below for a link to the post concerning the high amount of 1-stops on Boston-Cancun. You could say its underserved from Boston but is it worth it chasing the low yielding passengers.

http://www.archboston.org/community/showpost.php?p=268947&postcount=3030
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Delta, Southwest and AA all announced new flights from LA to Cancun last week.
 
jass said:
Delta, Southwest and AA all announced new flights from LA to Cancun last week.
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Delta was already in Cancun-LA along with Virgin America and United. That was the max allowed for US carriers under the previous agreement.

The floodgates opened up for JFK-Cancun and LA-Cancun/Puerto Vallarta/Cabo San Lucas (bigger market than LA-Cancun). If Virgin America wasn't purchased by Alaska - you would probably see 5 carriers on each of the big 3 Mexican resort cities from Los Angeles.

A bit off topic but Los Cabos area is going to be at capacity limits hotel wise very soon. Cancun/Mayan Riviera and Puerto Vallarta are #1 and #2 for hotel rooms in volume for Mexican resort destinations.
 
adamh8297 said:
Spirit putting A321 on Boston-Ft Lauderdale and is now 2 daily... not sure if this is a new increase or now.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38...lines-expands-a321sharklet-operations-in-w16/

People on airliners report that Emirates sent out an email cancelling the 2nd daily flight (mid-morning Boston depature) from 10/1 -11/15.
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Something tells me this will happen more in the future. I cannot imagine the demand is there to fill 2 daily 77W when you factor in El Al flies to Tel Aviv 3 times a week, Turkish flies to Istanbul daily and Qatar flies to Doha daily. There's only so much connecting traffic to go around.
 
mass88 said:
Something tells me this will happen more in the future. I cannot imagine the demand is there to fill 2 daily 77W when you factor in El Al flies to Tel Aviv 3 times a week, Turkish flies to Istanbul daily and Qatar flies to Doha daily. There's only so much connecting traffic to go around.
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Probably get rid of the second flight for February through mid-March too.

Loads were below 60% in February 2016 and that was without the Doha flight.
 
Turkish is planning some sizable cuts across their network for the winter (October through March), it may be a good sign that Logan will be maintaining its daily flight. Atlanta is going from daily down to 5 weekly. Los Angeles is going from 11 weekly down to daily. New York is going from 3 daily down to 2 daily.
 
choo said:
The Boston page over at Airliners.net is talking about BOS-Vancouver being a 'underserved route of the day' or something. From the conversation, it sounds like WestJet is doing well. My Canada-US more general question, is how come it seems like there is very little interest in US airlines serving Canada. It all seems like Canadian airlines doing point to point in the US. Obviously less domestic growth options throughout Canada, but is there something i'm not seeing.

For example, seems like Quebec and Maritime Canada are a decent opportunity for JetBlue to serve both with O&D also as a mini-hub to challenge AirCanada. QC-BOS-DUB seems like good routing that could be served.
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Vancouver airport is asking for Boston and Miami service on their new routeshop profile. 65000 pax in both directions combined in 2015.

http://www.therouteshop.com/profiles/vancouver-international-airport/

There's got to be a breaking point where WestJet, Air Canada or even JetBlue gets an offer they cannot refuse to start the route.

Quebec City is supposed to get preclearance along with Toronto-Billy Bishop in the future so it could be a nice Porter route as well.
 
Air Canada would be the best carrier to serve this route because of the possible connection opportunities that it has. Vancouver would be a good opportunity for one stop flights to Bangkok, Singapore, and Australia. Also the local market between these two cities is strong with 65k passengers a year.
 
Turkish has added more cuts to their long haul network and additional cities in the US are seeing cuts. In addition of JFK going from 3 daily down to 2 daily and Atlanta going from daily to 5 weekly, Boston will go from daily to 4 weekly, Miami goes from daily to 6 weekly and Houston goes from daily to 5 weekly.

So the US cities that remain at at least daily are Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, Washington, D.C. and New York and the US cities that are seeing cuts to less than daily are Boston, Houston, Atlanta and Miami.

Should it be a telling sign that Boston is seeing the biggest cuts?
 
mass88 said:
Turkish has added more cuts to their long haul network and additional cities in the US are seeing cuts. In addition of JFK going from 3 daily down to 2 daily and Atlanta going from daily to 5 weekly, Boston will go from daily to 4 weekly, Miami goes from daily to 6 weekly and Houston goes from daily to 5 weekly.

So the US cities that remain at at least daily are Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, Washington, D.C. and New York and the US cities that are seeing cuts to less than daily are Boston, Houston, Atlanta and Miami.

Should it be a telling sign that Boston is seeing the biggest cuts?
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Turkey has seen a failed coup (with the subsequent jailing / dismissal of many tens of thousands of government officials, military officers). The country is as at much at war with some of the Kurds as it is with ISIS. And Erdogan is internationally unpopular. I would expect that demand to fly Turkish Airlines is way down.
 
Boston has a bit of overcapacity in the Middle East at the moment. However I would think Turkish air would be in a good position to get lots of Tel Aviv connecting traffic. It's situated perfectly and has some cost advantages over El Al. Boston has a fairly large Jewish population so I could see that aspect of Turkish Airlines business doing well.

However I would also like to add that there is lots of anti us setitment brewing in Turkey. Many people in Turkey believe that the US was behind the failed coup, and they demand that a self exiled Turk living in Pennsylvania be extradited. However the US has so far failed to accept Turkeys request.
 
tysmith95 said:
Boston has a bit of overcapacity in the Middle East at the moment. However I would think Turkish air would be in a good position to get lots of Tel Aviv connecting traffic. It's situated perfectly and has some cost advantages over El Al. Boston has a fairly large Jewish population so I could see that aspect of Turkish Airrlines business doing well.
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They are, and it wouldn't surprise me if the El Al flight starting is a big reason for the Turkish pullback.
 
mass88 said:
Turkish has added more cuts to their long haul network and additional cities in the US are seeing cuts. In addition of JFK going from 3 daily down to 2 daily and Atlanta going from daily to 5 weekly, Boston will go from daily to 4 weekly, Miami goes from daily to 6 weekly and Houston goes from daily to 5 weekly.

So the US cities that remain at at least daily are Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, Washington, D.C. and New York and the US cities that are seeing cuts to less than daily are Boston, Houston, Atlanta and Miami.

Should it be a telling sign that Boston is seeing the biggest cuts?
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Do you have a link to a source? I absolutely believe you, but I'm flying with a group of people next spring to Africa on Turkish via IST and would love to share a link.
 
Equilibria said:
They are, and it wouldn't surprise me if the El Al flight starting is a big reason for the Turkish pullback.
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No - especially with only a 3x weekly schedule - its people who are not fond of potentially being stuck in Istanbul (especially transfer passengers) or being hurt in Istanbul/Turkey (affects inbound tourism). I had a choice of flying to Athens via Munich or Istanbul this summer using UA miles in Business and went the safe route but really wanted the benefit of a long flight (i.e sleep in flat bed) in business that the Istanbul flight would have offered. Others are making the same decision. If anything this helps El Al in BOS right now.


Lrfox said:
Do you have a link to a source? I absolutely believe you, but I'm flying with a group of people next spring to Africa on Turkish via IST and would love to share a link.
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http://www.routesonline.com/news/38...er-continental-service-changes-as-of-30aug16/

4 weekly (mon/wed/fri/sat) is from 10/30/16 to 3/26/17 then goes back to daily... for now.
 
Does JetBlue have the space to increase departures by 40%? With that type of growth logan could hit 40 million pax soon.

I'm hoping that Vancouver is their next new addition. MSP also seems like a big hole in their network.
 
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