I've long thought as an alternative, they should put up plate/E-ZPass readers and charge private vehicles a $25 or $50 "toll" to drive in the bus lane.Driving in the lane, on the other hand, is the province of the fixed camera system.
I've long thought as an alternative, they should put up plate/E-ZPass readers and charge private vehicles a $25 or $50 "toll" to drive in the bus lane.Driving in the lane, on the other hand, is the province of the fixed camera system.
I'd say that many high-ridership routes (according to the 2014 blue book), such as 1, 23, 66, 111, 57, 116/117 etc, can benefit from articulated buses. I'd even say the 39 and 28 should probably useMoving away from politics and back to
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my 65 commute this morning had 3 back to back to back buses two of which being full seating and standing and one being full seating (the one I strategically got on). The MBTA’s bendy bus fleet is slim and dedicated to few routes. I know a lot of this is due to space constraints but surely there should be ways to work around things like this and overcrowding on routes like the 66 and 23.View attachment 45184
In particular with the 66 the only real constraint I can think of is the turn from Eliot onto Western Ave leaving Cambridge which should be able to be fixed by changing the lane configuration. As the third highest ridership route in the system this should be a top priority for the T to increase capacity yet the next route to get bendy’s will be (reasonably) the 32.
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I'd say that many high-ridership routes (according to the 2014 blue book), such as 1, 23, 66, 111, 57, 116/117 etc, can benefit from articulated buses. I'd even say the 39 and 28 should probably use
One factor that currently limits the number of articulated buses is that only Southampton Yard can host them. I'm not sure if that will change anytime soon with the garage renovations.
However, reliability may play a bigger role in routes like 1 and 66 than capacity per vehicle alone. Three artics coming every 30 minutes is better than three standard 40' buses, but much less ideal than even one 40' bus every 10 minutes. I personally think the primary focus should be to have buses run more reliably (signal and ROW priority, dispatching, pre-boarding fare collection, etc), and that they may do better than simply increasing capacity with articulated buses (and even LRT conversion, which is a very popular proposal for the 1 bus).
I don't think the article explicitly states the 16 is a candidate for articulated buses. Today, artics trips on the 16 are mostly buses from Southampton going to/from Forest Hills to operate on the 39.Sounds like the 32 would be getting articulated buses when Arborway Garage is redone. Today you can luck out and get an articulated 16 on some trips, which could also benefit - one of the few bus routes that is steadily growing: https://mass.streetsblog.org/2023/1...om-for-hundreds-of-new-transit-oriented-homes
In numbers the 1 and 66 carry 9306 and 10954 daily pax respectively (transitmatters data as of 10/12/23) which equates to 45.6 and 47.2 riders per trip. Of course riders aren’t spread equally across all trips but that’s statistically every trip filling all 39 seats and having a handful of standees. The real problem with the 1 is its Harvard Sq turnaround at Dunster onto Mt Auburn. I’ve done this turn many times in a 40’ New Flyer and it already requires taking curb, not to mention delivery trucks regularly park in the No Stopping Anytime zone behind the Mike’s Parking spots during morning rush hour, and there is no alternative that’d work to get back to Mass Ave at Putnam with an articulated bus. You could have it loop Flagstaff and go Brattle but that’d add so much time in lights and traffic decreasing reliability. I’d suggest double decker buses like GO transit but that might pose a problem at Nubian.Responding to this comment in the General MBTA thread, but redirecting it to a thread called MBTA Buses & Infrastructure:
I'd say that many high-ridership routes (according to the 2014 blue book), such as 1, 23, 66, 111, 57, 116/117 etc, can benefit from articulated buses. I'd even say the 39 and 28 should probably use
One factor that currently limits the number of articulated buses is that only Southampton Yard can host them. I'm not sure if that will change anytime soon with the garage renovations.
However, reliability may play a bigger role in routes like 1 and 66 than capacity per vehicle alone. Three artics coming every 30 minutes is better than three standard 40' buses, but much less ideal than even one 40' bus every 10 minutes. I personally think the primary focus should be to have buses run more reliably (signal and ROW priority, dispatching, pre-boarding fare collection, etc), and that they may do better than simply increasing capacity with articulated buses (and even LRT conversion, which is a very popular proposal for the 1 bus).
As @Koopzilla24 mentioned above, I think the issue with bendy buses is road geometry for a lot of routes. I would imagine all the City Point routes would struggle with some of the narrow roads in Southie that need to be travelled over.In terms of the bus network redesign, do we need bendy buses, or would a lot of that need be captured by increased frequencies of 40fters? A 60ft bus isn't exactly 1.5x the capacity of a 40ft bus, but I feel like more buses spreads the load out more reducing bunching. I feel like the 60s would be most valuable to boost capacity in already very frequent service, but I don't know enough about the routes to comment on that.
I'd be very surprised if the tunnel required anything more than minor modifications. As far as I know it doesn't have any sharp curves and is generally build similarly to the SL Transitway, except layered rather than parallel tunnels.Can articulated buses run in the Harvard bus tunnel? The 66 used to be in there before Cabot switched to CNG.
Turnover on the 39 (most of which occur where it overlaps the E) is still lower than the 1 and 66. So it's entirely possible that the average load (i.e., number of riders on the bus) on the 1 and 66 is lower than the 39 despite higher ridership, because people who use the 1 and 66 don't traverse the entire route. While that itself doesn't argue against the need for high-capacity buses on the 1 and 66, it may be more crucial for other crosstown routes like 86 with even lower ridership.In numbers the 1 and 66 carry 9306 and 10954 daily pax respectively (transitmatters data as of 10/12/23) which equates to 45.6 and 47.2 riders per trip. Of course riders aren’t spread equally across all trips but that’s statistically every trip filling all 39 seats and having a handful of standees.
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The 39 has a daily ridership of 8745 or 37.7 per trip.
Good info, thanks. This actually relates to a question I've had for a long time:For informational contribution I have 4 years of transit bus driving experience with 35’, 40’, and 60’ articulated buses and the bendies are actually better at maneuvering than 40’ buses because where the articulated section is located shifts the pivot point a few feet forward of a 40’s rear axle. This makes it closer to a 35’ in tigh spaces. The problem is at the tightest turns the rear section behaves like a trailer and will cut the turn shorter than the leading axles. 90 degree turns will need more inside corner space so that may require moving curbs, parking, or pushing back the cross-traffic lane.
The 66 hits Harvard Sq, Allston Village, Coolidge Corner, Brookline Village, Brigham Circle, Roxbury Crossing, and lastly Dudley/Nubian. These points themselves are jam packed with housing, employment, and leisure, and in between them the bus passes through high density residential. At these hub points a mass of people get off but also get on, and then in between them depending on morning or afternoon it’s heavily skewed boarding or alighting. Any pairing of these hubs is in high demand so there’s always a large chunk of people that are in for the long haul. Halving the frequency to every 6min would add capacity but I can only see it also even furthering demand especially since pre-pandemic the route carried an additional 3000+ daily. Unfortunately with the route being inundated with traffic as one of the limited north-south routes in the city reliability will always take a hit. With the 1 at least there’s space to LRT with dedicated lanes most of the route but the 66 is stuck with many more narrow roads with street parking and Brookline making transit priority infrastructure at the expense of car storage a challenge.
The 65 is a duplicate routing of the Green Line D branch from Kenmore to Brookline Village, and fails to provide connections with the Red Line or Orange Line. It's also a silly route to ride from end to end (Brighton Center to Kenmore), when the 57 is much more direct and more frequent. The same stretch of the 65 bus is also duplicated by the 60 bus, also running alongside it from Brookline Village to Kenmore.These seem to suggest that not every circumferential line can be successful. So what makes the 66 special?
I think this is is understating the 65's rush-hour ridership. During rush hours, the 65's frequency is even better than the 66 as seen below (Summer 2023 schedule). It appears to be primarily due to LMA workers who live further west along the 65's route, and that can't be served by the 60 (whose rush-hour frequency can't even compare to the 65).The 65 is a duplicate routing of the Green Line D branch from Kenmore to Brookline Village, and fails to provide connections with the Red Line or Orange Line. It's also a silly route to ride from end to end (Brighton Center to Kenmore), when the 57 is much more direct and more frequent. The same stretch of the 65 bus is also duplicated by the 60 bus, also running alongside it from Brookline Village to Kenmore.
The 64's unique section west of Union Square Allston actually looks pretty decent to me:The 64 only has a single rapid transit connection at Central Square on the Red Line and no other connections. It's also sandwiched extremely close in with the 70 and the 57, which have higher frequencies. East of Allston Union Square, the 64 is duplicated by the 66, and by the 70. It's only unique segment being a short depopulated area from where the 66 turns off and before the 70 merges in at Storrow Drive. Other portions of the 64 in Brighton have better rapid transit connections if riders instead take the 86, which provides Green Line connections, or the Boston Landing commuter rail station.
I actually think distance alone is not the only reason. The 65's section between Beacon St and Brookline Village is even longer than the 66, and even after removing a short parallel with the C, they're still similar:The 66 also rides up the area in Brookline where the distances between the Green Line branches are the furthest apart (i.e. that area has no redundency of GL branches since in that portion of the 66, the GL branches are a full mile apart).
The BNRD does reroute the 65 to Ruggles, so the Orange Line connection will be provided (though I remain unaware how many riders use that connection). It needs better midday frequencies, but thankfully the BNRD also guarantees 30-min or better. It's a shame that the original proposal of combining T15 and 65 to a 15-min route was rejected, and the 65 didn't retain the 15-min frequency that it almost got.The 65 could be improved upon if it is rerouted to the Orange Line after Brookline Village, as long as it is rerouted a ways away from the 66. Such rerouting of the 65 to reach the Orange Line could reduce pressure and crowding on the 66.
I actually disagree with removing the Boston Landing connection. In a Regional Rail world where both Boston Landing and the 64 have good enough frequencies (and Boston Landing becomes a pseudo-rapid transit station), preserving the connection can be important. It allows the 64 to act as a last-mile feeder for Oak Square, and may also be okay as a Worcester-Kendall connector until West Station and its rapid transit routes are built.The 64 primarily has a frequencies and indirect routing problem (remove the deviation at Market St. near the WGBH studios building).
If my memory serves me correctly, a dual mode was going to go through the tunnel for the BSRA trolleybus fantrip, though it didn't end up happening, I think just because of tight (though feasible) clearance.I'd be very surprised if the tunnel required anything more than minor modifications. As far as I know it doesn't have any sharp curves and is generally build similarly to the SL Transitway, except layered rather than parallel tunnels.
Due to the bus operator shortage, the MBTA has reduced rush hour service on the 66 and midday service on the 65, due to a lack of available drivers. Without enough bus operators, the MBTA is not currently able to run full pre-COVID pre-pandemic bus service. The 65 is supposed to run every 35 minutes midday, not 70. The 66 is supposed to run every 9 - 10 minutes during rush hour, not every 10 - 11 minutes.But yeah, this nicely illustrates how ridiculously skewed the 65 is towards rush hours. 8-min AM rush frequency and 70-min midday frequency???
I'm not sure why you'd say it seems suburban. Most of the census tracts bordering that route are over 15,000 people per square mile, and all of it is at least 7,500 P/SM. That area is very urban and not well served by transit.Prioritizing the 32 makes sense considering that it does have high ridership (much more so than you may expect for what seems like a suburban route)
I remember a long time ago 2006-2007? They used to run articulated busses on the 32. At the time it was the only other route besides the 39 running 60ft busses (not including the silver line)Sounds like the 32 would be getting articulated buses when Arborway Garage is redone.