Franklin Park - White Stadium Renovation

F-Line to Dudley said:
You're seriously citing a newspaper comment section thread as evidence that this is a scandal blowing up? Seriously?

How about the Mayoral candidate that's made hammering this supposed issue a cornerstone of his campaign for 6 months now and has only seen his polling deficit increase to 30-plus points as a result? Where does that evidence file?
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Who said it is "blowing up"?????? Way to put words in someone's mouth. My post was in response to the contention that it is "something zero neighbors talk about with strong opinions". If you can't see the difference between that and your hyperbole, I can't help you.

My opinion is that this is financially flawed at it's fundamentals. But with something like at the very least results count and we will see. It is currently neither "blowing up" nor "something zero neighbors talk about with strong opinions".
 
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shmessy said:
Who said it is "blowing up"?????? Way to put words in someone's mouth. My post was in response to the contention that it is "something zero neighbors talk about with strong opinions". If you can't see the difference between that and your hyperbole, I can't help you.

My opinion is that this is financially flawed at it's fundamentals. But with something like at the very least results count and we will see.
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How many members of the typical newspaper comment section are "neighbors" vs. distant suburbanites with a baked-in fear of city life and the politics to match. Quantify, please.
 
F-Line to Dudley said:
How many members of the typical newspaper comment section are "neighbors" vs. distant suburbanites with a baked-in fear of city life and the politics to match. Quantify, please.
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Why are you obsessed only with the "neighbors"?????

Help me understand - Is the Franklin Park neighborhood the only people paying the public cost of the stadium? Are they going to be the only people going to the games? Don't all the citizens of Boston have a right to know the costs that THEY will be expected to bear for this?

That being said - what is this? https://www.franklinparkdefenders.com/ - - - - - I was being told this is "something zero neighbors talk about with strong opinions". :unsure:

But right now, talk is cheap. We'll know within two years whether this project is a turd or not. Unfortunately, from every data point I've seen, this is a slow motion car crash.
 
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Scott said:
www.dotnews.com

Boston Legacy FC secures $100M financing deal for White Stadium | Dorchester Reporter

Wu hails latest win for Franklin Park plan; Bank of America is lender Boston Legacy Football Club, the pro women’s soccer team that will use Franklin Park’s White Stadium as its home playing field, says it has secured $100 million in financing from Bank of America needed to advance and complete...
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I'd be curious to see some of the finer details on this financing package. Boiled down to the simplest terms, it's a loan to pay rent on a facility the team doesn't own. That means it's either unsecured, or perhaps secured by some other asset. If the former, the bank must really like the team's business plan, because they are essentially betting on operating revenue being adequate to fund debt service. If it's the latter, I wonder what the owners offered as collateral. Regardless, it's good news for both the team and the city.
 
www.bostonglobe.com

Boston Legacy FC lands TJ Maxx as jersey sponsor - The Boston Globe

It's the first jersey sponsorship for the retailer, whose parent company is based in Framingham.
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The TJ Maxx logo will adorn the front of Boston Legacy’s primary and secondary jerseys for the next several seasons, the first front-of-kit partner for the NWSL club that begins play next year.

The multiyear partnership is the first major sponsorship for the Legacy and marks a first official jersey sponsorship for the off-price apparel retailer, whose parent company, TJX Companies, is headquartered in Framingham.
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KCasiglio said:
www.bostonglobe.com

Boston Legacy FC lands TJ Maxx as jersey sponsor - The Boston Globe

It's the first jersey sponsorship for the retailer, whose parent company is based in Framingham.
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TJ Maxx? Oy..... though it could be worse.
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It is appropriate, they're local. Let's hope that both the soccer team and the student athletes get the maximum stadium for the minimum price

Edit: Why does it say "Bimbo" on that shirt? Is that okay?
 
So basically, the Conservancy is hoping to re-litigate the same issues it lost on already.
 
HenryAlan said:
So basically, the Conservancy is hoping to re-litigate the same issues it lost on already.
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They're essentially trying to make it so nothing gets built now (since the old stadium is 98% demolished), which really shows how spiteful they are. If they win, there's just gonna be a demolition site in Boston's biggest park for years to come.
 
www.bostonglobe.com

Michelle Wu promised an updated cost estimate for White Stadium ‘this calendar year.’ Now it’s looking like 2026. - The Boston Globe

City officials last gave a cost estimate for the hotly debated project more than a year ago, when they said it would cost $91 million.
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This thread fascinates me - - I can’t help but watch over the next 2- 5 years as slowly the proponents here start realizing what is patently obvious to many others. Wu’s White Stadium is a slow-motion car crash.The Legacy will jump ship within 5-10 years of this being built and will leave the City holding the bag for maintenance/upkeep, a much large debt burden, etc.
 
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I don't really find the fact that a public project has slowly escalating project costs to be interesting/news to me. That doesn't have anything to do with whether or not the Legacy will use the stadium 10 years from now or not.
 
shmessy said:
The Legacy will jump ship within 5-10 years of this being built and will leave the City holding the bag for maintenance/upkeep, a much large debt burden, etc.
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So under your pessimistic scenario, 5-10 years from now, the city will be responsible for maintaining and operating a sports facility used by student athletes, which was also true 2 years ago. But instead of a modern ruin, the facility will be world class? That sounds like a win. I'm not a soccer fan, but do plan to go to some games because I live near Franklin Park and am generally interested in supporting women's sports. But the main prize here has always been a world class facility for BPS athletes, built at half the cost to the city were the team not involved. 5-10 years from now, if Legacy FC is gone, we still get the stadium. I'm not seeing a problem with that.
 
HenryAlan said:
So under your pessimistic scenario, 5-10 years from now, the city will be responsible for maintaining and operating a sports facility used by student athletes, which was also true 2 years ago. But instead of a modern ruin, the facility will be world class? That sounds like a win. I'm not a soccer fan, but do plan to go to some games because I live near Franklin Park and am generally interested in supporting women's sports. But the main prize here has always been a world class facility for BPS athletes, built at half the cost to the city were the team not involved. 5-10 years from now, if Legacy FC is gone, we still get the stadium. I'm not seeing a problem with that.
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Yes, and the fact that this is mostly about the student athletes would have to be mentioned in any good faith argument here. Shouldn't the students in a wealthy world class sports city have world class facilities? I could see lesser cities being unable to afford it but not Boston.
 
Longfellow said:
I don't really find the fact that a public project has slowly escalating project costs to be interesting/news to me. That doesn't have anything to do with whether or not the Legacy will use the stadium 10 years from now or not.
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Slowly? Despite the Mayor’s declaration last spring, I guess we’ll see the next delayed installment of “slowly” next year.

And, I’m sorry, I root for Greater Boston’s economy. The legacy will be taking on a very large debt for a new corporation and try to compete in the fast growing NWSL in an 11,000 seat field in Franklin Park. Compare that to the 25,000 seat stadium that Wu is blocking on the Everett waterfront that will be built with private funds - not by the taxpayers and will have restaurants, boardwalks, entertainment all within easy walking distance for its fans and merchandising oppos (how does any economist see the middle of Franklin Park on THAT comparison?). Sure, they wouldn’t own the stadium, but they wouldn’t own the Franklin Park one either (and they would save the over $100 million this will balloon to). This is a terrible missed opportunity for Greater Boston, thinking small and political turf-ish again.

The difference is obvious.
 
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shmessy said:
Slowly? Despite the Mayor’s declaration last spring, I guess we’ll see the next delayed installment of “slowly” next year.

And, I’m sorry, I root for Greater Boston’s economy. The legacy will be taking on a very large debt for a new corporation and try to compete in the fast growing NWSL in an 11,000 seat field in Franklin Park. Compare that to the 25,000 seat stadium that Wu is blocking on the Everett waterfront that will be built with private funds - not by the taxpayers and will have restaurants, boardwalks, entertainment all within easy walking distance for its fans and merchandising oppos (how does any economist see the middle of Franklin Park on THAT comparison?). Sure, they wouldn’t own the stadium, but they wouldn’t own the Franklin Park one either (and they would save the over $100 million this will balloon to). This is a terrible missed opportunity for Greater Boston, thinking small and political turf-ish again.

The difference is obvious.
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Last time you said that they wouldn't get financing. Now you claim that the team will fail. Haters gonna hate.
 
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