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How many NIMBYs does it take to change a lightbulb?

None. Artificial lighting is out of character for a site around the corner from the Hancock building, and if someone walked in front of it, there might be a shadow cast.
 
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That's right. And what if I told you my astounding observation that the person walking in front of it is not only causing shadows, but is also contributing to (heaven forbid) foot traffic? That's totally out of character with the prevailing highway environment.
 
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I will say this. Boston didn't take full advantage of the good times while they were here.

Perhaps lessons will be learned?

How ironic, Boston, a history-rich city, can't learn from its past.

I guess those that have no history or identity can go out and make one for themselves while those that do are stuck as they are.
 
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Which is a shame considering the boom time the rest of the world's cities are enjoying.
The rest of the world's cities -- other than perhaps China -- are not enjoying a boom. Even Dubai, which had to be bailed out by Abu Dhabi, is experiencing a big slowdown.

There were far too many commercial office buildings proposed for downtown Boston, and too few prospective tenants to fill them. And how much of a market in Boston is there for new condos priced at $600, $800, $1,000 a sq ft?
 
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I think another major factor in the death of this is that it went from $ 300 million in 03 to $800 million in 08. I feel that construction, health care, and higher education costs are just inflating at unsustanable rates almost exponentially. I'm no expert and this is a total guess, but if this were to have been built in 1995 it would have cost significantly less and finding funding might have actually happened. It's important to note that '95 wasn't that long ago.
 
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I think another major factor in the death of this is that it went from $ 300 million in 03 to $800 million in 08.

You have too much faith in the developers numbers. They have incentives to low ball the cost when they're trying to get permits (so it seems feasible) and high ball the cost when it's construction time (so they can get subsidies). For a public sector example, see: The Big Dig.
 
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The rest of the world's cities -- other than perhaps China -- are not enjoying a boom. Even Dubai, which had to be bailed out by Abu Dhabi, is experiencing a big slowdown.

There were far too many commercial office buildings proposed for downtown Boston, and too few prospective tenants to fill them. And how much of a market in Boston is there for new condos priced at $600, $800, $1,000 a sq ft?
In Toronto, there are currently 3 dozen condos, 4 five-star hotels, and 4 office towers that are at various stages of construction or recently completed in the past year. At least 5 major residential/mixed-used projects are about to / just got off the ground, and a few more office towers are in the planning/preleasing stage. Other than a research building that's on hold but likely to restart in the next couple of months, and a major mixed-use project that was brought down by Lehman's collapse but is now restarting, there were few to no significant cancellations or stalling due to the recession. Even for transit, Toronto's weakest link, we are seeing 3-4 light rail lines and 1-2 subway extensions that are starting / started recently. I would certainly qualify that as a sign of booming.
 
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Article in Sacramento Bee:
http://www.sacbee.com/2010/03/12/2601696/california-public-pension-funds.html

The question is where did the $120 million go? There was no land acquisition costs to speak of, A/E costs could not be that excessive, the construction that was actually started probably cost no more than $10 million. There is only so much money you can stuff into brassieres, although some lawyers and some banks could have have gotten pig-at-the-trough fees. I still think the steel for the deck was ordered, and that was the biggest cost. The steel is probably still out there, -- in China.
 
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I think another major factor in the death of this is that it went from $ 300 million in 03 to $800 million in 08. I feel that construction, health care, and higher education costs are just inflating at unsustanable rates almost exponentially.

That's true, and it's because when you're a consumer (i.e., a developer, patient or student) in any of these areas, you're about 10 steps removed from the actual costs.

As a developer, you pay for everything via leverage, or debt. You have no skin in the game.

As a patient, either your insurance company or the state pays for everything for you. You have no skin in the game.

As a student, you take out loans backed by the government at attractive rates and with no real penalties for not paying (I didn't pay a dime for 3 years after college). You have no skin in the game.

When the prices people pay for things are divorced from their actual costs, you move into the realm of Monopoly money, where inflation can be ludicrously high and no one will ever know the difference.

Basically, expect inflation to continue apace, no matter how bad the economy is or how little money people actually have, as long as people keep getting the financing to pay for these things.

Cooling those areas of inflation would mean that banks can't keep flooding the construction market with loans (check), healthcare prices paid by people need to do a better job reflecting healthcare costs by getting the funny money from insurers and especially government out (double-plus non-check, Mr Obama), and the government needs to stop pouring easy-loan money into higher ed (another double-plus uncheck, Mr Obama). The banks have rolled up their construction financing, and we are seeing construction costs go down as a result. As for healthcare and education, the Democrats think easy money for everything solves society's problems. Unfortunately, it just makes those things unaffordable without some source of Monopoly money.
 
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In Toronto, there are currently 3 dozen condos, 4 five-star hotels, and 4 office towers that are at various stages of construction or recently completed in the past year. At least 5 major residential/mixed-used projects are about to / just got off the ground, and a few more office towers are in the planning/preleasing stage. Other than a research building that's on hold but likely to restart in the next couple of months, and a major mixed-use project that was brought down by Lehman's collapse but is now restarting, there were few to no significant cancellations or stalling due to the recession. Even for transit, Toronto's weakest link, we are seeing 3-4 light rail lines and 1-2 subway extensions that are starting / started recently. I would certainly qualify that as a sign of booming.

Canada has almost completely escaped the recession due to better regulations of banks and finance outlets and a generally more risk-averse culture.

The most affected sectors are those tied closely to exports to the US, like the lumber industry. So Vancouver, where forestry is king, is hurting pretty bad vis-a-vis Toronto and the energy sector cities of Alberta.
 
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As a developer, you pay for everything via leverage, or debt. You have no skin in the game.

As far as I can tell, CalPERs and Winn lost money on this. Not a single bank.
Anglo-Irish made committments to this, but then cut off funding precisely because the bank had no skin in the game.
 
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Did you feel the earth tilt a little bit off its axis, this afternoon? That was when Shirley Kressel, Ned Flaherty and I all spoke at today's City Council meeting ... and all ON THE SAME SIDE of an issue. It's like when Batman met Superman.
 
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1) Liberty Mutual Insurance Company does not deserve TIF funding.

Left open for future discussion, am I awesome?
 
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Future of Columbus Center site up in air

By Casey Ross
Globe Staff / March 14, 2010

On the death of Boston?s Columbus Center project, architect M. David Lee said there is a simple lesson to learn from the tortured effort to build over the Massachusetts Turnpike: ?Sometimes,?? he said, ?you just can?t make a racehorse out of a mule.??

Straddling eight highway lanes and wedged between two Boston neighborhoods with persnickety residents, the location of the now-abandoned Columbus Center project has seemingly fatal flaws. A deck required to support the complex of condominiums, a hotel, shops, and parks proved prohibitively expensive, and drawn-out battles to get city and state approvals caused costs to mount over time.

And so public officials now confront dwindling options as they consider the future of the air-rights property: build in small chunks, with single buildings instead of entire blocks, or else be prepared to cough up hefty subsidies to pay for a multiple-block development like Columbus Center.

On Wednesday, the project?s main financial backer, the California State Pension Fund, or Calpers, said the $800 million complex was not economically feasible. The grand vision was first proposed 13 years ago by developer Arthur Winn, but by the end he had been relegated to the role of silent, minority partner. The state is now trying to get Calpers to pay for a $4 million to $5 million cleanup of the site, while also considering how to find new developers for the property, or whether it?s even worth doing so in the near term.

Peter O?Connor, head of real estate for the Massachusetts Transportation Department, wants to begin discussing the property?s future with neighbors and city officials right away. But there seems to be little support for another massive development in the mold of Columbus Center. So, he said, the state may consider dividing the site, which covers four separate parcels, and soliciting proposals for each plot.

Lee, who chaired a city committee in the 1990s that crafted a vision for developing air rights over the turnpike, said the only party that might be able to take advantage of them now is a hospital or university whose goal is being at a prominent location, instead of making a profit.

Otherwise, he said, the best option now would be to run a design competition in which architects and urban planners brainstorm ideas for improving the property?s appearance in the short term.

?Until the real estate market returns, you could try to do something creative with landscaping or art to mitigate the stark, utilitarian fencing along that part of the highway,?? Lee said, adding: ?For a private developer, the only way to make a project work there is either to have subsidy or density.??

The other major turnpike air-rights development underway in Boston is a similarly large complex of buildings near Fenway Park by developer John Rosenthal. Fenway Center, as it?s known, is different from its defunct counterpart in many ways, with one particularly critical difference: 55 percent of the project will be built on land, compared with just 5 percent for Columbus Center. Moreover, drawing a lesson from Columbus Center, state officials devised a financial mechanism to help pay the added cost of building a deck for Rosenthal.

Rosenthal expects to break ground on the first part of his five-building project this summer. As for the future of the Columbus Center site, he said, it doesn?t look promising, especially after a 13-year process that ended so horribly for its backers, who dumped about $130 million into the failed effort.

?Pioneers often end up with arrows in their backs,?? he said. ?Everyone learned a lot from Columbus Center going first. But in the end, I think very few air-rights projects will ever get built.??

Rosenthal believes breaking the parcel into smaller chunks may work, as developers would face less expensive decks. ?A combination of retail and apartments could be possible,?? Rosenthal said. ?But it?s so unpredictable because of the swings in the markets. It really just comes down to luck and timing.??

According to most people who followed Columbus Center, those are two things the project never had. The turnpike parcels themselves may have missed their one moment in time, when the exuberance of a building boom gave rise to an impossibly costly and complicated project, only to have it fall to the earth with the crashing economy.

One lesson Columbus Center taught developers and state officials is that the air rights ? once thought to be worth millions of dollars because of their location in the city ? actually have negative worth because of the exorbitant building costs.

If anything, Columbus Center, at 1.4 million square feet, was too small to justify the $200 million deck required for its buildings, said Bill McCall, founder of McCall & Almy, a Boston firm that advises commercial developers. At that price, the developments above the deck need to be much larger if builders are to recover their investment and make a profit.

?If you have got that added cost, it really requires a bigger project to cover the extra expense,?? said McCall. ?You need a strong economy to be able to tackle an air-rights project like that.??

But McCall, Lee, and others argued that the demise of Columbus Center signals the end ? for now ? of the mega-project.

?Architecture and design as well as development in Boston has been on drunken binge for a while,?? said Lee. ?We have been building exorbitant projects that are quite fanciful. It?s time to pull back and be more thoughtful ? celebrate the prosaic a little more. Not every building has to be an object building.??

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I've always thought that if the city really wanted these parcels developed right they should have built the deck themselves. I know they are too cheap to do that and now with the economy as it is there isn't any money to build expensive decking for no reason. Still, I think the blame should be spread around a bit more. Hopefully the Fenway Center will work out and, best case, will become a model for how to build air-rights. Time will tell.
 
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