I maybe shouldn't reply to this, but I'm afraid some of those here who are less versed in these matters may take some of what you're saying as fact. No offense, but this whole thing reads as if you just took an Internet 101 course and now think you're an expert.
"Someone is wrong on the internet!"
I'm not sure what you think you're saying here. The internet is many things. It is business, yes, but it also book clubs, and books for that matter. It is an exchange of information and that information can take virtually any form. I don't know where your jaded point of view comes from on this subject, but you are misinformed.
A domain name is little more than a sign. It points to a location. That's all. Again, I don't know what point you're trying to make. Briv sold the archboston.org sign to Edward. No one is disputing the Edward now owns the domain and do with it what he wishes.
Did Geocities run every website hosted under the geocities.com domain? Of course not. We can get into a semantic argument about the meaning of the word "run," but that's not going to move this discussion forward.
Why would this be the case? Yes, the new domain and site will be registered in someone's name. Some people are more trustworthy than others. What briv did here is not ordinary.
Emphasis mine. To state that terms claiming a "permanent, irrevocable, unlimited license to use, publish, or re-publish your Content" and the right change the terms at any time without notice are "user vs owner tilted" seems to show a bias that makes me question why you suddenly decided to start posting here. These terms would be consumer hostile for a business and are frankly absurd for a community. They would likely not even hold up in court.
Again, the web is many things. It hosts millions of copyrighted works from books to music to film to you name it. Yes, these things can all be illegally copied, but the question we're asking here is if Edward and Chart communications should have the legal right to use the works of archBoston's posters. If Edward is advertising for some development and decides to use Beeline's photos, should he be allowed to do so without further consent or compensation? The terms of his other sites would allow this. In my opinion that in not tolerable.
Say what now? Please don't try to tell people what I think. I've never stated anything remotely to this effect. It doesn't even make sense.
Olders can learn new things, Wonk, but a statement like this makes it seem like you're unwilling.
"Someone is wrong on the internet!"
I’m new here relative to most, and more a lurker than a participant. I am, however, an architectural and transit enthusiast, read new posts daily, and greatly regard the participation and depth of knowledge of everyone here.
It’s my opinion that most of the concerns about this issue assume that what we’re all doing is the equivalent of a book club meeting frequently at the library, or a coffee shop. It is not.
I'm not sure what you think you're saying here. The internet is many things. It is business, yes, but it also book clubs, and books for that matter. It is an exchange of information and that information can take virtually any form. I don't know where your jaded point of view comes from on this subject, but you are misinformed.
What we all are doing is logging into a worldwide publicly available website domain (archboston.org) which has been assigned by an international body (ICANN) to a specific individual. As part of that assignment, the individual is given full autonomy to use that domain as they see fit, and is only limited (effectively) by the local laws and regulations that the site is hosted in. That domain itself is running on a hosting service somewhere which has its own Terms and Conditions.
A domain name is little more than a sign. It points to a location. That's all. Again, I don't know what point you're trying to make. Briv sold the archboston.org sign to Edward. No one is disputing the Edward now owns the domain and do with it what he wishes.
No poster here, other than Briv, has ever actually, “Run the Community”. That’s just the reality of how the web works. Moderators are nice, but they only exist if the domain administrator agrees.
Did Geocities run every website hosted under the geocities.com domain? Of course not. We can get into a semantic argument about the meaning of the word "run," but that's not going to move this discussion forward.
Three minutes of searching, and I was able to determine archboston.org is hosted at ionos.com, a European based firm. Someone with more M&A background would be better at determining copyright standing of US generated content for an EU based firm, but they bought 1&1, who bought (name a thousand tiny webhosts that were bought up after Briv created the site)./QUOTE]
This has zero relevance to any of this. I will note however that the domain's current whois information is inaccurate which is itself a violation of ICANN's terms and grounds for suspension/cancellation. [Should probably look into that, Ed.]
Here are Ionos’ Terms and Conditions: https://www.ionos.com/terms-gtc/general-terms-and-conditions/
A few highlights:
[copy/paste of terms]
It goes on for twenty-four sections (section 21 is titled, “ARBITRATION AND WAIVER OF JURY TRIAL”), and I could copy/paste more, but the point is archboston.org has already given up the game. The web is not a conversation, it’s a business. All the members can move somewhere else, but the issues concerning the recent ownership/assignment change about the transfer from Briv to whomever will follow the community where ever it goes.
Why would this be the case? Yes, the new domain and site will be registered in someone's name. Some people are more trustworthy than others. What briv did here is not ordinary.
It would be nice to get some more transparency from the new ownership, like a promise to ask posters if it’s okay to use a photo or text for other purposes on archboston.org, but the Terms and Conditions of the site quoted by Justin7 are ridiculously user vs owner tilted, in no way terminate copyright, and are solely designed to legally protect the ICANN assigned individual from A) lawsuits from users claiming copyright infringement from some random who copy/pasted content from a public website, or B) lawsuits from randoms who copy/pasted from a poster.
Emphasis mine. To state that terms claiming a "permanent, irrevocable, unlimited license to use, publish, or re-publish your Content" and the right change the terms at any time without notice are "user vs owner tilted" seems to show a bias that makes me question why you suddenly decided to start posting here. These terms would be consumer hostile for a business and are frankly absurd for a community. They would likely not even hold up in court.
It’s not about the software, or the platform, or the ease of moving to something else. If you don’t want your stuff copy/pasted from a public website, even behind a paywall or login requirement, don’t post stuff.
Again, the web is many things. It hosts millions of copyrighted works from books to music to film to you name it. Yes, these things can all be illegally copied, but the question we're asking here is if Edward and Chart communications should have the legal right to use the works of archBoston's posters. If Edward is advertising for some development and decides to use Beeline's photos, should he be allowed to do so without further consent or compensation? The terms of his other sites would allow this. In my opinion that in not tolerable.
I vote to give the new owner a chance. We can always move on.
Jusin7 is wrong.
But I agree that moving the database to another platform is trivial.
Justin7, I think incorrectly, assumes that the community is the database. It is not.
Say what now? Please don't try to tell people what I think. I've never stated anything remotely to this effect. It doesn't even make sense.
I'm an older, and have been thru all the battles.
Don't post to any site, including archboston.org, if you have concerns about copyright.
I still vote to stay at archboston.org.
Olders can learn new things, Wonk, but a statement like this makes it seem like you're unwilling.