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Re: New tower at Aquarium parking garage.

It "blocks off the Harborwalk"? How so? It's my favorite part of the Harborwalk, especially in the summer when there are concerts or films going on there.
 
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And you get to walk by the laptops and see all of the yachts.
 
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Ron. Ron. Please. It's been well-documented. Your personal experience does not make others' opinions any less valid.

Boston Globe, 6/22/2007

It was Rowes Wharf's signature arch that bothered Sal DiMasi.

Now, years later, Mr. Speaker is OK with the arch, which he says he helped make bigger and better. But he still doesn't like Rowes Wharf, which he says walls off the harbor from the city. "You can't tear it down now," he says.

Boston Globe, 8/3/2007

Norman Leventhal's Rowes Wharf is the oasis on the waterfront. "Have you been down there at night?" Leventhal asked me recently. Often, and I'm hardly alone. The red-brick plaza behind the Boston Harbor Hotel, with the boats and the band and the people and the magnificent water view, is the single best space in the city. With the hotel packed and a deluxe double room going for $650 a night, these people are making gobs of money.

But telling where the public space ends and the private space begins is hard to know. It is the kind of privatization that might drive Shirley Kressel, the valuable neighborhood gadfly, crazy.

Boston Globe, 2/11/2007

"Last summer Boston Harbor Hotel at Rowes Wharf built a 'temporary structure' to house an outdoor kitchen to serve its outdoor caf?. After summer came and went, the structure remained.

"I called the hotel and asked when it was coming down? I never got an answer. I called the city building department and likewise got the run-around.

"No doubt, the Boston Harbor Hotel is a fine establishment. That said, their 'temporary kitchen' is a blight (albeit a small one) on the Boston waterfront." ...

... The kitchen pokes out into a plaza from the back of the building. It is ugly and obtrusive. It invades space that appears to be intended for public pedestrian use.

The pathway along the edge of the Rowes Wharf building are barely wide enough to qualify as walkways and certainly are not encouraging to anyone walking (or running) from Charlestown to South Boston, as I have often done.
 
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Re: New tower at Aquarium parking garage.

Well documented by whom specifically?
 
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wow. Some people freak out over the tiniest things. Its a fricken kitchen...
 
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Is a "valuable neighborhood gadfly" an insult or a compliment?
 
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But telling where the public space ends and the private space begins is hard to know.
Nonsense.
 
Re: New tower at Aquarium parking garage.

The plan sounds interesting, I would like to see the renderings. I like the idea, and think it could work to liven up the area around the aquarium. The 7-11 can only do so much

From the Globe today:
Glass towers, ego
By Yvonne Abraham
Globe Columnist / January 11, 2009

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Developer Don Chiofaro is not the most popular guy in City Hall.
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The man who built International Place has a bull-in-the-china shop quality about him. This does not endear him to Mayor Thomas M. Menino, who prefers his developers a tad more deferential.

But the mayor should find a way to work with Chiofaro. Because a project he has proposed could make a huge difference to this city.

The property Chiofaro wants to develop, currently a parking garage in front of the New England Aquarium, faces the new Rose Kennedy Greenway.

Now, there are some spectacularly bright spots on the Greenway, including beautiful, vibrant parks in the North End and Chinatown. But a bunch of other plans that would have brought more people and vitality to this strip of green - including several cultural centers and a huge garden under glass - are either dead or sucking severe wind.

The Greenway will never be successful unless hordes of people flock to it: workers, residents, visitors taking strolls.

It is in danger of becoming a symbol not just of a gutted economy, but also of lousy planning. Honestly, the way things have gone down there, you'd think the park that was a generation in the making had suddenly dropped from the sky.

Last September, Menino, fretting that the new park might be turned into a shadowy urban canyon, announced a special study to come up with guidelines for construction in the area. His consultants have only just gotten to work. Their conclusions are six to nine months away, at least.

Nobody at the city thought to get that kind of thing squared away before now?

Which brings us to Chiofaro.

Rather than wait for the city's development recommendations, he started showing his proposal around town last week. (He has declined to publicly release renderings, calling the design fluid.)

It currently consists of two glass towers, outlined by terra-cotta-colored ribbons that run up the sides of the buildings and meet in the air above them. It combines office space, a luxury hotel, condos, and retail space. At street level is a three-story glassed-in avenue running from the Greenway to the harbor. That would house retail stores, cafes, and possibly a grocery store. Outside the building, two big LCD screens would show images drawing visitors to the aquarium.

It's a bold proposal - and just the kind of architecture we need in a city that too often tends toward the timid.

It's also going to be incredibly controversial.

At about 1.5 million square feet, the thing is big. And it would be one of the tallest developments in the city. Though it would cast shadows on the Greenway for only a couple of hours most mornings, its size alone makes it a tough sell.

And already, Chiofaro has angered City Hall by trying to shorten the interminable, Byzantine process every developer must go through in Boston. Upset neighbors next door at Harbor Towers say Chiofaro, not having been involved in the 20 years of discussions over what should become of the waterfront, is trying to preempt the public process now.

Maybe Chiofaro hasn't done himself any favors with his increasingly vocal persistence. But it's easy to understand his impatience, and his desire to start the conversation. And there is no doubting his commitment to contributing something truly spectacular to the city, and in a spot that desperately needs it.

Chiofaro and his colleagues have given a lot of thought to what their building can give to the Greenway. In addition to making them money, their proposal would bring thousands of workers, residents, and visitors to the neighborhood. It would provide a warm, welcoming corridor between the park and the harbor. It would breathe life into an area that is nowhere near reaching its potential.

Menino should think long and hard before allowing personality differences to come between the city and all of that.

Yvonne Abraham is a Globe columnist. She can be reached at abraham@globe.com
 
Re: New tower at Aquarium parking garage.

That's a good article. It's nice to finally see members of the media supporting this type of development.

Does anyone on this board know why Chiofaro is viewed as such a villain?
 
Re: New tower at Aquarium parking garage.

Time to use your imagination and think of what would best fill this spot. Personally, I don't think a 700-foot tower would be that out of place.

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Are 15 stories ideal?

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Or would 50 hit the mark?

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Re: New tower at Aquarium parking garage.

You gotta go big, its not like your combining several smaller buildings to create one monolith. That side of the street already has large footprints, it makes sense for something tall.
 
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After driving past there today I felt that it could use something a bit taller or bit shorter than Harbor Towers; from the north driving south the area is already dense.

But, what's the grand plan here? A canyon between buildings or a gradual drop-off from financial district to Greenway to Waterfront?
 
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The grand plan is a symbolic tower on the waterfront, something similar to 2ifc in hk but obviously shorter than that.
 
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Darkfenx...haha, i actually was thinking somthing like 2ifc would be perfect. I even began to photoshop it into the spot and post it....but then i started photoshopping some of the background HK buildings...and the freedom tower...and things got out of hand.
 
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Chiofaro has tangled with Menino in the past and hasn't seemed to adhere to Tommy's 'kiss the ring' protocol. Moreover, he had control of the One Lincoln job for years and it languished until Hynes took over the project.
 
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I think a lot has to do with his personality. He was on the Harvard football team and when he was first pitching International Place he would enter the presentation with Harvard music blaring and play up that Harvard football thing. I can't remember but he may have even been in uniform.

I don't like him because I feel he almost sabotaged the Big Dig. But who cares about that I just want a great project here regardless of who builds it.
 
Re: New tower at Aquarium parking garage.

If we get somehting like the IFC...it needs to be able to shoot fireworks from its vertical ribbon windows.
 
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2 IFC (International Finance Center) is a supertall in Hong Kong designed by Cesar Pelli.

 
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You can't really tell from that picture, but it's located directly on the water. It's one of the most beautiful skyscrapers in the world in my opinion.
 
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