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statler said:
ablarc said:
Go out Long Wharf a spell to see the effect and the lost opportunity. Imagine a building like the Guggenheim Bilbao in its place: a building with artistic presence and cultural significance. The Boston Opera?
So is it the building itself you don't like, the location or both? Would it be fine if it were tucked into the financial district with other buildings of the same age and size?
It would be fine in the financial district. Where it is, it's a lost opportunity to do something much better, which is what the site demands. And it's much too humdrum and graceless to brazenly occupy such a prominent spot.

This is also one of the few places in Boston where I would advocate a much lower building. A Gehry building would be just fine: Guggenheim or even IAC, which is about the same height but monumental and interesting.
 
ablarc said:
This is also one of the few places in Boston where I would advocate a much lower building. A Gehry building would be just fine: Guggenheim or even IAC, which is about the same height but monumental and interesting.
Do you still have that photoshop you put up on the old board with the Gehry in place of this building?
 
statler said:
ablarc said:
Do you still have that photoshop you put up on the old board with the Gehry in place of this building?
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Final offers sought for Hub garage site

The fate of one of the last key development sites in downtown Boston, the hulking Harbor Garage, could be decided within days, with final offers due Friday, according to executives close to the deal.

InterPark, the garage?s owner, is now seeking ?best and final? offers after an initial round of bidding. With both local and out-of-state developers competing, the price could soar past the $130 million mark, executives said.

In the hunt are Don Chiofaro - developer of the landmark, twin-tower International Place complex - New York-based Tishman Speyer Properties, and Boston-based Leggat McCall, among others.


The gray concrete garage next door to the New England Aquarium sits on a prime development site off Atlantic Avenue near the harbor.

Developers competing for the site are eyeing a range of options, from high-rises to mixed-use complexes with office, residential and retail rolled in.

Chiofaro, while praising the site, also called it ?complicated.? A number of other developers are already moving ahead with new office towers and projects at nearby downtown and waterfront locations. Meanwhile, the site is subject to extensive state Chapter 91 waterfront regulations, currently in flux after a controversial court ruling.

?While this is a good site, it is complicated,? Chiofaro said.

http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1029433
 
From the Globe today

Harbor Garage bidders pared; sale seems near

By Thomas C. Palmer Jr., Globe Staff | October 11, 2007

The Harbor Garage, a seven-story block of concrete on the Boston waterfront near the New England Aquarium, could have a new owner by the end of the week.

The firm handling the sale said there are a handful of bidders, from an initial group of 15, that remain in the running.

"We are very, very close to a buyer here," Rob Griffin, president of Cushman & Wakefield of Massachusetts Inc., said yesterday at a meeting of the Appraisal Institute and the Commercial Brokers Association.

Donald J. Chiofaro, co-owner of the nearby International Place towers, has long had his eye on the garage as a development site. The garage has Boston Harbor on one side and the Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy Greenway - whose parks are now finally opening up to public use - on the other.

Chiofaro this week confirmed he still hopes to capture the garage and its potential for a hotel, office, residential, or mixed-use project. "But I can't tell you anything more than that," he said.

Others in the third and final round of bidding on the garage are Gale International, which is redeveloping the old Filene's building; Legatt McCall Properties LLC, which just completed One First Street residences in East Cambridge; Brookfield Properties of New York, which owns 75 State Street in Boston; and Northwood Investors LLC of Greenwich, Conn., according to a Boston real estate executive who asked not to be named because he was not authorized to discuss the marketing.

None of the other bidders would comment.

All the bidders offered about the same amount of money for the property, made more valuable with the rapid redevelopment of Boston's waterfront property, Griffin said.

"It's going to come down to terms," he said, meaning which bidder is the most attractive in terms of financing, readiness to close quickly, or other requirements specific to the property.

The 1,380-car garage, built in the 1960s by architect I.M. Pei in the so-called brutalist style, went on the market in June.

Cushman & Wakefield said at the time it could bring $170 million or more. It has about 30,000 square feet of retail space, seven floors above ground, and two below.

The 1.3-acre property has been owned since 2002 by InterPark, a national operator of parking garages.

A complicating factor to the sale is that Harbor Towers, a two-building residential complex next to the garage, leases spaces in the garage for up to 400 of its residents.

Griffin and others said yesterday that while 2006 was a record year for investment sales in Boston, 2007 was on track to surpass it until the credit crunch of late summer slowed activity somewhat. The problems were concentrated in the residential loan markets but resulted in jitters throughout the economy and made potential buyers of commercial properties more cautious, executives on the panel said.

Nevertheless, the garage - which sometimes gives families visiting the New England Aquarium sticker shock with its $32-a-day prices - was "very well received," Griffin said. "We've had a ton of activity."
http://www.boston.com/business/glob.../harbor_garage_bidders_pared_sale_seems_near/
 
Looks like a good investment to me. Too bad I can barely afford to park there for a day. :p
 
There needs to be a signature building on the lot. It is such a prominent location, on the water front and on the Greenway.

The developer needs to hire a good architect (i.e. not CBT) and let them do their thing. They cannot cheap out on this.

NIMBY's and the city need to be reasonable about this. No 'open space/green space/set back' requirements! It's almost completely surrounded by green space and open space as it is. Let them build lot line to lot line!

Vivian Li needs to move out to Franklin or Wellesley and let the city be a city.

I need to go cry in a corner because none of those things will happen. :cry:
 
This lot has sooo much potential. We know it can't be an extremely tall building (The FAA forbids that, right?), but that doesn't mean it can't be beautiful and iconic. It would be fantastic to see the building look great not only in the sense of being a tall building, but to also look good and interact well with the street. The activity at the base of this building seems to be too great to ignore. I think it would be cool if the main entrance would be mostly glass and would enable you to look through the entire building without too much of an obstructed view of the harbor. That would look great from the greenway.

The inclusion of a large bar/restaurant in the base would be amazing aswell, something along the lines of InterContinental. It's in a perfect position to be able to back itself up right onto the harbor like the InterContinental.
 
tmac9wr said:
This lot has sooo much potential. We know it can't be an extremely tall building (The FAA forbids that, right?)

This site is distant enough from the path of Runway 9/27 that you could likely build a building of the scale of Belkin's proposal for Winthrop Square without too much problem. Outbound flights on 9/27 bank South and would never overfly this location (or anything else north of State Street).

The same case should be made for developing Delaware-North's site at the Garden, and the westernmost portion of the Government Center Garage - slim, 70-80 stories, > 900'. The vig would be an annual contribution to the upkeep of the Greenway.

The neighbors will have different ideas, I'm sure.
 
Im not sure they could build that tall, economically, since it is located on fill.
 
The fact that it means the destruction of one I. M. Pei structure and will sit beside two other I. M. Pei buildings may help in the decision about an architect. It does seem the perfect place for some kind of signature statement. It might be poetic, don't you think, if the developer sought out Renzo Piano now that he's been all but stiffed by Belkin. This is a far better site anyway for his brand of work. (Regretfully, I agree about CBT; enough already.) Other Boston-based options? Is Kallman still in the area? That firm might be a good idea. How about Diller-Scofidio? (I know, NY) Hell, here's a wild idea -- Maya Lin!! I've seen her small structures. This woman is a major, major talent -- imagine if Boston built her first tall building. Very cool... That's how the city should be thinking. Someone should broach the notion of how this will honor Ted's mom, get him behind it... okay, now I'm rambling...
 
The Harbor Towers are about 400' tall and Int'l Place is roughly 600' so something in the 450' to 525' range should fit in rather nicely in that area to kind of look like a step between those two sites. As you know, The residents of Harbor Towers will make certain objections against anything with heights that block views. They will not come out and use blocked views as such. They will come up with something else even though blocked views is what they're really concerned about, but, arguably, that is not a reason to prolong and hinder a project (but I can sympathize if I lived there).
 
Aquarium Garage Tower

The site is calling
Calling for something from London

I see a Foster and Partners tower

I See a glorious Double Helix in honor of Boston/Cambridge as the Bio Hub of the World

Westy
 
Re: New tower at Aquarium parking lot.

Monday, November 19, 2007 - 6:26 PM EST
Chiofaro buying waterfront garage, plans major project

Boston Business Journal - by Michelle Hillman

Developer Don Chiofaro is the winning buyer for the Harbor Garage, where he plans to build a large-scale, $1 billion mixed-use project. Chiofaro, who owns nearby International Place in Boston with Prudential Real Estate Investors, is buying the garage for about $150 million, according to a real estate source who asked not to be named because the transaction has not closed yet. Chiofaro plans to propose a mix of uses for the site including hotel, residential, office and retail.

"We won the bid," said Chiofaro on Monday night. "We?ve got it under agreement. We?re going to close in a couple of weeks."

The garage is located across the street from International Place and is thought to be one of the best waterfront development sites in the city other than Fan Pier on the South Boston waterfront. It also overlooks the Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy Greenway.

The Chiofaro Co. and Prudential signed a purchase and sales agreement on Friday, according to Chiofaro Co. spokeswoman Luisa Cahill. The team has been aggressively pursuing the property since it was first brought to the sale market in July. The property attracted more than a dozen bidders, said Robert E. Griffin Jr., president of the New England Area of Cushman & Wakefield of Massachusetts Inc. whose firm sold the property on behalf of InterPark. Griffin confirmed the property is under agreement. He called the 1,380-car garage "certainly one of the most desirable locations in the city being right on the water."

The property will remain operating as a garage until the Chiofaro Co. completes the city permitting process, Cahill confirmed. That could take as long as three years.

http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2007/11/19/daily14.html?jst=s_cn_hl
 
Re: New tower at Aquarium parking lot.

$1 Billion Project!!!!! This parcel isn't extremely large, but that is a very very large price. I'm really looking forward to what we're going to see out of this project...the location and budget scream "iconic building". I just hope it lives up to the hype.
 
Re: New tower at Aquarium parking lot.

yeah, $1billion is huge, but we won't be seeing anything serious out of this for a while. I can't believe the permitting process takes three years! Plus, Chiofaro needs to design his plans before hand, which will obviously take plenty of its own time. By the time this thing is built, the current 'boom' will be long over :(
 
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