Boston 2024

Agreed. The same low info voters who were surprised by the initial bid will need a lot of time to be equally clueless about what's going on in the world around them this time around.

Unfortunately (or fortunately for some), those are the voters in the public opinion polls that are killing the Olympics. If the Olympics win or fail, I'd rather it be on the actual merits of the bid. But so many are against it for either traffic for 17 days or, oh my god the construction zone traffic, or just another big dig boondoggle. The first 2 are fairly silly, but the 33rd has historical merit. But, most just close their minds to it. Especially with sochi and Beijing and Athens not too distant memories.
 
Boston's "Applicant File" is due in 5 months. That includes a preliminary plan, very much like the Proof-of-Concept they provided the USOC. For most cities, that's the POC phase. The "Candidature File", otherwise known as the "Bid Book" is due one year later, in January 2017. Between those dates, the IOC selects "Candidate Cities", of which Boston will likely be one, as no US city has ever been denied at that point.

http://www.olympic.org/news/ioc-executive-board-sets-dates-for-2024-olympic-games-bid-process/242111

They have until January, 2017 to firm up things for the IOC, but realistically the deadline is November, 2016, when they'll have to win the referendum.

Okay, if a U.S. city applicant has always made it to the candidate round, then that's the default setting. I had not realized that Los Angeles won in 1984 because it was the only city bidding, and if Los Angeles had not bid, there would have been no summer games that year.

I came across the information on Los Angeles in a paper by two University of Chicago professors that tried to assess why Chicago lost so badly (Obama had flown to Copenhagen to make the pitch for the city).
http://home.uchicago.edu/arsx/Chicago Olympics Bid Paper Baade-Sanderson Final Version.pdf

The professors suggest two main causes: a belief by IOC delegates that the U.S. seeks to host the games to promote economic development, not the Olympics; and a sandbagging of the Chicago bid by the USOC which decided it would establish, with Comcast, its own Olympic broadcast network.

This Wiki article on the Atlanta bid essentially states that Atlanta bribed its way to winning. In the words of the Atlanta organizing committee chairman,
"Atlanta's bidding effort included excessive actions, even thought processes, that today seem inappropriate but, at the time, reflected the prevailing practices in the selection process and an extremely competitive environment."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bids_for_the_1996_Summer_Olympics

Given the very long reach of the Department of Justice these days, the statute of limitations has passed on Atlanta, but the U.S.. prosecution of FIFA officials will probably be in the minds of some national Olympics officials.
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As for a referendum, to be meaningful, it has to present a clear choice. A referendum stating 'no public monies to support the games' would be endorsed by B24, the governor, the legislature, city officials, and opponents to the games. If such a referendum failed, would that mean the electorate wanted public funds to be used?
 
Unfortunately (or fortunately for some), those are the voters in the public opinion polls that are killing the Olympics. If the Olympics win or fail, I'd rather it be on the actual merits of the bid. But so many are against it for either traffic for 17 days or, oh my god the construction zone traffic, or just another big dig boondoggle. The first 2 are fairly silly, but the 33rd has historical merit. But, most just close their minds to it. Especially with sochi and Beijing and Athens not too distant memories.

Yes worrying about bad traffic for a couple weeks 9 years from now is not only silly but pretty selfish... Basically saying you don't want thousands of people to make a living because you can't figure out how to work around some events. That isn't an issue B24 can address in a convincing way.

But the boondoggle part is very real and B24 can address this ... otherwise it looks like the City of Boston is going to be committing to cover the entire cost of building and running the Olympics which would possibly bankrupt the city with billions more in debt and leave the city with thousands of residents and businesses that are effectively not paying taxes which would be a net drain on the city for decades. No responsible mayor or governor would sign off on the plan in December as it is now with so many unfunded liabilities and a public taxpayer guarantee.
 
^ Good lord, Boston Magazine and the BBJ need to stop it with the excessive FOIA requests that do nothing but "expose" VERY standard procedures and processes of communication across all levels of government.

Boston 2024 and City Hall have sent many emails to one another! Scandalous!!

Boston 2024 wrote a form letter that Mass DCR signed! More scandal!!

It's worthless, lazy journalism that fabricates negative spin for the sake of getting clicks.

This on the WGBH website clarifies that it hasn't been the BBJ or Boston Mag who've been doing the FOIA requests:

http://wgbhnews.org/post/how-anti-olympic-activists-are-shaping-boston-2024-media-coverage

The scandal-mongering does go overboard at times. I'm not sure I'd call these folks "lazy", however. It's fair to call BBJ and Boston Mag lazy if they're just sitting back and letting themselves be spoon fed, without doing any independent reportorial follow up. But these opponents aren’t being lazy.

Having opined that I find the scandal-mongering excessive at times (pretty often actually), I will also opine that the Olympics opponents did not invent the harshness of local politics. The Olympics proponents are fund-raising millions for PR, and spending much of it poorly. The Olympics opponents are working with far smaller budgets, but are landing punches, even if many of the punches taken on their own merits are pretty trivial.

To complain about the opponents' tactics reminds me of the US military's complaints during the Viet Nam war: "If those goddamn pajama-wearing bastards would come out of the fucking jungle and fight like [American] men we could kick their asses once and for all." Right, which is precisely why.....they....don't..... etc, etc.

As for the specific letter in this instance, I have gathered boilerplate letters of support from various pols or public servants, and I've seen many more than I've personally gathered. No public entity ever promised me or my colleagues anything at all like the ability to rent public lands at “either no cost or at a market-rental rate to be pre-approved” by me, the proposed renter. The letter has the smell of just a quick “sure, we’ll hand over some public land for a while, no problem” with an implicit air of “this’ll be the next guy’s problem.” OK, the next guy was a gal, but you know what I mean.

This was signed days before an election with all polls indicating that Duval Patrick’s preferred successor was likely headed to defeat. So this commissioner makes a sweeping promise to B2024 just days before the voters will choose a new boss – one who might replace said commissioner (and did). It’s utterly toothless. So since it was toothless, it’s certainly no big scandal. But, does it make B2024 look yet once again like something cooked up by people with ties to the Patrick administration as it was on its way out the door? Yes. Is that some great sin? No, it’s not even a little sin. Does a letter like this help in putting Baker into the right state of mind? I doubt it, though I also doubt it’ll be within a mile of the top of Baker’s list of issues. But it’s one more little paper cut. As discussed before on this site, this has been the classical case of watching an effort get bled by thousands of paper cuts, many either self-inflicted or easily avoidable. The B2024 drafter of that letter could have just thrown in some boilerplate language along the lines of “DCR will of course need further information to evaluate the impact on public property, and while we will work with you flexibly on rental price, we do have a fiduciary responsibility to the taxpayers”. Then even if the commissioner had slapped his name on it with no edits, when it inevitably came out, it’d be vastly easier to dismiss it with a shrug, and a “so what, he promised nothing of essence.”
 
This on the WGBH website clarifies that it hasn't been the BBJ or Boston Mag who've been doing the FOIA requests:

http://wgbhnews.org/post/how-anti-olympic-activists-are-shaping-boston-2024-media-coverage

The scandal-mongering does go overboard at times. I'm not sure I'd call these folks "lazy", however. It's fair to call BBJ and Boston Mag lazy if they're just sitting back and letting themselves be spoon fed, without doing any independent reportorial follow up. But these opponents aren’t being lazy.

Having opined that I find the scandal-mongering excessive at times (pretty often actually), I will also opine that the Olympics opponents did not invent the harshness of local politics. The Olympics proponents are fund-raising millions for PR, and spending much of it poorly. The Olympics opponents are working with far smaller budgets, but are landing punches, even if many of the punches taken on their own merits are pretty trivial.

I can certainly criticize the BBJ and Boston Mag if they take advantage of these FOIA requests (and the BBJ has bragged about FOIA'ing documents, so they are claiming to have done some of it themselves) to build a narrative without evaluating the "scandals" on their merits. The BBJ is pretty weak as journalism to begin with, so it's not like it's out of character for them to pursue weak stories to glorify their own publication. Boston Mag is a little more disappointing.

It's interesting that this guy is getting positive coverage when he's acting like a NIMBY with too much time on his hands. If you have a legitimate case, NBO (and you do), then you shouldn't have to resort to nitpicking like this to argue it.

EDIT: Actually, given the amount of back-patting the BBJ was doing about their "exclusive information" a few weeks back, this article makes them look pretty bad.
 
I don't think Boston Mag is trying to make a scandal with this article, nor was that my reason for posting it. It's just interesting to know that DCR literally copied & pasted a letter that the USOC wrote without a single revision.
 
I don't think Boston Mag is trying to make a scandal with this article, nor was that my reason for posting it. It's just interesting to know that DCR literally copied & pasted a letter that the USOC wrote without a single revision.

It's not interesting if DCR approved it on its merits and asked Boston 2024 to give them the wording that would work best on their end. That seems to be all that happened. To present it as something sinister - which is what Boston Mag is doing by presenting it at all - is not entirely kosher to me.

And yes, having an Olympic opponent making frivolous FOIA requests provide you with unimportant details then finding a way to present them as a potential scandal without acknowledging where you got the information is lazy. It's unethical, actually.
 
And before the ink even dries on that last post bashing the BBJ, here's something from the BBJ!

You missed your chance for some more BBJ bashing. The section about eminent domain has a severe example of failure to follow up by the BBJ reporter:

“But Davey says he does not see eminent domain as a requirement for development to move forward.

There are some interesting forces at play that get us to a place where we can have a mutually beneficial arrangement,” he said, speaking of Widett Circle. “We’ve had a number of great meetings with the New Boston Food Market, and I’ve taken a tour of some of the businesses. There are 22 businesses, more than half have a desire to expand. When we talk about relocation, they are open as long as expansion plans can be accommodated. I would say that suggests significant cooperation. If they were telling us, ‘No, no,’ then we’d be thinking about a different course. But it’s been a productive discussion. This could be a win-win. I don’t think eminent domain is in the cards.”

When Davey says "if they were telling us no, no, we'd be thinking about a different course", does he mean they'd finally be dropping Widett and looking at a different stadium site? That would be completely unobjectionable politically and a necessary action (IMHO) on stadium siting.

But if by "different course" he meant to imply that eminent domain would go back on the table, that's a whole different and more volatile conversation. And one where he ought not use the noun "we" since Boston 2024 has no power of eminent domain.

I'm not a mind reader, and human conversation is filled with these sorts of ambiguities. So where's the follow up? If I assume Davey meant to imply some other site, I am real curious to know where. If he was talking eminent domain, then I'd want a bunch of different follow up questions. How does a reporter let that kind of ripe fruit just hang there?

By the way, I don't see this as just a BBJ problem, it happens all the time in a lot of media outlets.
 
West, as you note, B24 has no eminent domain authority. If the Commonwealth or the City of Boston were to exercise such authority, the payments to the property owners for the property that was taken would come from Commonwealth or city coffers, and the state and city have said they won't spend a nickel. (Under Massachusetts law, certain private entities have eminent domain authority, e.g., pipeline companies.) And eminent domain proceedings can be protracted, particularly if the taking is contested.
 
I'm working under the assumption that it would mean they would move on from Widett, although I haven't the slightest clue where it would go.

“We don’t need the BCEC expanded. We’ve moved on from that,” he said. “We’re no longer assuming the BECE is expanded. If it is, we can revisit, but we’re not assuming.”

I think this may help to explain the trend in exporting events to the satellite cities. If all other media center options fizzle out, I imagine their last option would be to completely relocate all the events from the BCEC in favor of the media center. Is it easier to find several venues rather than one massive 110,000 sq. m. building? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this were to happen.
 
Shirley Leung's latest:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/busines...dett-circle/xaYmpQLm1LHrrw9L9a4JDN/story.html

Her headline fairly represents the gist of her column's argument: "Widett Circle work isn’t rigged to enrich the elite".

OK, mission accomplished, she convinced me that the whole thing isn't rigged for either Samuels or Alperin.

The latter part of the column gets into feasibility of the whole thing. If Leung was tacitly trying to convince readers on that front, she failed with me. Still looks like tilting at windmills to me.

But at least there isn't some insider's deal to rig who gets to tilt at the windmills with his $1.2B. I can sleep now.
 
Leung really impaled her own career prospects with this beat. She honestly needs to seek different assignments one way or another after this is all over to re-establish (or first-time establish?) some credibility because she's made herself into a region-wide punchline with her Olympics and big biz-behind-'Lympics coverage over the past year. And then reinforced that punchline status several times over at regular intervals. Different beat's the only way out of meme status for a reporter/columnist who isn't grandfathered into the "Surly Old White Dude 30 Years Past His Prime Who Gets Endless Second-chances Despite Being an Embarrassment to Humanity" club of hacks. The club hasn't been accepting new memberships for many, many years.
 
Shirley Leung's latest:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/busines...dett-circle/xaYmpQLm1LHrrw9L9a4JDN/story.html

Her headline fairly represents the gist of her column's argument: "Widett Circle work isn’t rigged to enrich the elite".

OK, mission accomplished, she convinced me that the whole thing isn't rigged for either Samuels or Alperin.

The latter part of the column gets into feasibility of the whole thing. If Leung was tacitly trying to convince readers on that front, she failed with me. Still looks like tilting at windmills to me.

But at least there isn't some insider's deal to rig who gets to tilt at the windmills with his $1.2B. I can sleep now.

Summary: May the best billionaire's proposal to get the largest taxpayer subsidy in Boston's history win. Totally level playing field for any billionaires or consortium of multi-millionaires to put their best bid forward.
 
Bob Ryan says he likes the idea of an Olympics in Boston. In theory.

Putting on a successful Olympics requires billions of dollars. It requires a myriad of logistics. It requires working with the nefarious IOC. It requires a great deal of construction and a fair amount of disruption. It requires a 100 percent commitment on the part of the host city. It doesn’t just happen. People must figure out a way to bring it all together.

The problem with the Boston 2024 people is that they simply do not seem to know what they’re doing. There is no reason to believe anything they say because everything they say changes.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...ork-but-won/jH8PZfeXu6Cpz9YzcTpXBJ/story.html
 
NECN had a story several days ago stating that the USCO wants B24 to get a 50 percent favorable rating in the polls by September, and apparently 60 percent by January 2017.

The U.S. Olympic Committee has said it wants to see public support rise to about 50 percent before the Sept. 15 deadline to officially declare candidacy in an international competition that likely will include Paris, Rome, Hamburg, Germany and Budapest, Hungary.
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Organizers will also need to reach at least a 60 percent approval rating before final bids are due to the International Olympic Committee in 2017, [B24 adviser]Rubin said.

Polling earlier this month suggested support for the games hovers around 42 percent statewide, a modest increase from last month's roughly 39 percent.
http://www.necn.com/news/new-englan...rking-to-Revive-Struggling-Bid-317589531.html

And it doesn't help the public perception when a Boston city councilor declares:
“I find the tone that comes from Boston 2024 to be off-putting, arrogant, [and] condescending,” Murphy said. “Who elected them? No one. . . . I just don’t know where this thing is headed other than off a cliff.”
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...-for-boston/l1bPXBoSZNigQQBP3t1BzL/story.html

The Blue Hills Country Club is for sale, 210 acres in Canton; about a mile from Rte 128 station.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...ip-for-sale/V9TPPvWe2g0Un8ikltoJmI/story.html
 
Heck of a job, Brownie.

From UniversalHub.com

Walsh: Boston 2024 will release the secret chapters
By adamg on Wed, 07/22/2015 - 6:20pm

This statement just in from Mayor Walsh:

The question of releasing the original bid documents has become an unnecessary distraction in what should be a constructive civil discourse about the future of the City of Boston. It's important that we continue our focus on building a concrete and sound plan that is shaped by community input and brings long-term benefits to the City of Boston and its residents. As a result, I asked Boston 2024 to provide the original bid, in its entirety, for public review. Both Boston 2024 and the United States Olympic Committee fully support the release of these documents in order to maintain an open and transparent process.

The chapters, from Boston 2024's original bid to the US Olympic Committee, involve the financing and political support for the proposed 2024 games.

And when the mayor talks, Boston 2024 listens, unlike when mere city councilors talk.

Translation: We're fucked.

http://www.universalhub.com/2015/walsh-boston-2024-release-secret-chapters
 
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Front page of July 23rd Herald.
 

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