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Re: Congress St Garage is being sold.

I think that a grand public market would be better suited just south of this, expanding the actuall Haymarket famers market.
 
Re: Congress St Garage is being sold.

hey guys, could someone post this please? its a new article on how the public meeting went
 
Re: Congress St Garage is being sold.

B&T -June 23, 2008
Garage Owners Seek Citizens? Opinions on Replacement First
By Thomas Grillo
Reporter

Owners of a downtown parking garage they want demolished are first asking residents what they want to see in its place.

Last week, a team from the Raymond Property Co. met with more than four dozen residents of the North End, Beacon Hill and the West End to get their take on replacing the Government Center Garage. The Boston-based company paid $243 million for the 11-story facility adjacent to the Haymarket MBTA Station, and is considering replacing its 2,310 parking spaces with a mix of hotel, office, condominiums and retail.

?We?re here to listen to you,? said Ted Raymond, the firm?s chairman, told the crowd. ?I hope you will tell us your opinion about what you?d like to see here. There are no curve balls. We really want to be straight up with everyone about what we?re trying to do. If we develop this property, we want to make it the best project in the city with your help.?

The two-hour session that took place in an office above the parking garage signals a growing trend among big developers: find out what the neighborhood wants before asking for city approval. The concept could end contentious public hearings that often result in a turnout of angry neighbors who oppose a project?s height, density and use.

?We encourage developers to have meetings before they file with us,? said Heather Campisano, the Boston Redevelopment Authority?s deputy director for development review. ?It gives people an opportunity to comment before anything is officially filed with us. Residents really appreciate it, especially a project of this scale, size and location.?

Raymond is not the only builder listening to neighborhoods before a project is filed.

John Rosenthal, whose proposed $450 million One Kenmore development near Fenway Park is in the planning stages, held several meetings and reduced the project in response to neighbors? concerns about height.

John B. Hynes III, seeking approval for Seaport Square, a 6.5 million-square-foot mixed-use development in South Boston, held a series of public sessions where he heard repeated calls to build housing.

But the idea of meeting the public with a clean slate, as Raymond has done, is new and appeared to take some residents by surprise at last week?s meeting. Louise Thomas, a member of the West End Civic Assoication, said, ?I?m sure you have some kind of plan in mind.?

But Stephen G. Kasnet, Raymond?s chief executive officer, insisted that nothing has been decided, and the company is genuinely seeking feedback from the neighborhoods. ?We have lots of ideas,? he said. ?We paid a substantial amount of money for the property, so whatever we do will have to get a financial return and if not, we will keep this as a parking garage for awhile.?

Ironically, none of the residents offered up any ideas on what Raymond should build. Jane Forrestall, a member of the West End Council, said she was not surprised at the lack of sugges-tions.

?It will be so nice to get rid of the garage, but we haven?t had much time to consider what ought to go there instead,? she said.

Mayor Thomas M. Menino said he was briefed on several iterations of the project that included two or three towers at the site.

?I?d like to see a new building because the garage is a barrier between Government Center and the North End,? Menino said. ?But the question is, what height is appropriate for that location? What do you do with the 2,000 cars that depend on the garage for parking while construction is under way? I?m not going to put my stamp of approval on any project that fails to deal with the parking issue because the loss of spaces would be a detriment to businesses in our city.?
 
Re: Congress St Garage is being sold.

So NIMBYs are willing to fight every building to the death, but when given the opportunity to plan from the beginning are dumbstruck and have nothing to say?
 
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So NIMBYs are willing to fight every building to the death, but when given the opportunity to plan from the beginning are dumbstruck and have nothing to say?

It would appear as so, why is it whenever I think of what a NIMBY would appear like I think of some stout soccer mom driving through the city in a minivan enraged at all of the developement and just saying NO! to everything.
Anyone ever meet a NIMBY face to face at one of these meetings?

And also to remain on topic, growing up I liked the dense feel the garage gave off that felt similiar to the elevated green line. It felt abit dingy but I loved the feeling of being almost completely surrounded by the city. As much as I'd like to see this area filled in with towers and street life, I'll miss that "deadzone" that looms over the street. Other than Chinatown, I can't think of too many areas of Boston that have held on to their original grit.
 
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And also to remain on topic, growing up I liked the dense feel the garage gave off that felt similiar to the elevated green line. It felt abit dingy but I loved the feeling of being almost completely surrounded by the city. As much as I'd like to see this area filled in with towers and street life, I'll miss that "deadzone" that looms over the street. Other than Chinatown, I can't think of too many areas of Boston that have held on to their original grit.

I know what you mean, but this garage does not enhance the feel of the area. I agree the elevated greenline made Causeway Street feel and look more urban and interesting compared to today, but it was surrounded at the time by buildings on both sides of the street, including the Boston Garden which had covered passageways along the Causeway sidewalk.

Here, when your under the garage on Congress Street, you face mostly blank walls and the surrounding space seems to just flow into open voids left over after urban renewal. It doesn't really have a sense of place. The overhang over the bus station shows a bit more use and vitality, but all in all I won't miss a thing if this garage is replaced.
 
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Last week, a team from the Raymond Property Co. met with more than four dozen residents of the North End, Beacon Hill and the West End to get their take on replacing the Government Center Garage.

I understand that this is a step to try to avoid the arguments that will happen down the road from local NIMBYs, but given the centralized location of the garage, shouldn't they be polling more than just residents of those three neighborhoods? I'm from out of town, so I won't pretend to know what's best for the city, but I would hope that the plan for this location would be to have a regional effect/ draw.

There are (many) areas of the city that should be primarily influenced by the people living in the immediate vicinity, but this doesn't seem to be one of them. It's in an area that's frequented by as many or more people from not only other towns, but other states and even countries. If ever there were an area to think well beyond a neighborhood scale, this seems to be it.

p.s. I mean "scale" in terms of the scope of the project, not the physical size of the building(s) and its relation to the surroundings. The garage is out of scale physically and as a result is out of touch with its surroundings. A new out of scale building would be just as bad as the old one. I just meant that this is a project that should be influenced by more than just three neighborhoods.
 
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One group of stakeholders that's important, but not getting much attention right now: people who wait for buses at the Haymarket busway. Any redevelopment of this area has to improve conditions for them, or at least not make them worse. The buses go all the way to Marblehead, so we're not just talking about poor people here.

A number of other T buses stop near Haymarket but don't use the current busway. I'd like to see bus operations rationalized in some way.
 
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Some general shots:

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What stands directly west. The building in the middle is Center House: "A day treatment program designed to prevent or shorten the hospitalization of people with severe and persistent mental illness"

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an Nstar substation

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and the police station:

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Now, it's time to use your imagination -- fill in the blanks!

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Those pics do a great job of letting you see just how massive this thing really is. The earlier Berlin Wall comparison is totally justified. Hopefully they can inject a good amount of people and jobs into that massive lot.
 
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The garage was found to be structurally unsound. To pay for retrofit the office space was added above. EPA division 1 headquarters was there for years before entering into the process of moving into the Boston Federal Building & Post Office aka. the McCormick Federal Building in Post Office Square. The EPA gets a restored Art Deco Fortress with a LEED overhaul, of what was a nearly abandoned federal building. We get a chance to tear down an ugly garage. Win Win
 
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^^^ Fortress. I like that. Pining for a statue of "Iron Feliks" out front, tovarich?
 
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Heh,

I rather like the existing monument in Boston Office Square proper and I doubt US Government would have grant a 'heroic' figure statue of a rather sinister and insidious individual in a prominent public display.

Given the rather bitter rivalry between the GRU and KGB, I can't really say Dzerzhinsky Square was my favorite place.
 
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Ah. I understand. But we do have our Mr. Hoover. And Dulles Airport.
Lurker is a good handle...but not Black Bat?
In any event, good riddance to this garage. Off to the dustbin of history.
 
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I'm not against a little blackmail sometimes:

http://www.beaconhilltimes.com/
Firm has gig plans for the Government Center Garage by Dan Salerno

A development firm is pushing a bold vision to demolish the Government Center Garage, building in its place an ambitious mixed use development that would combine restaurants, hotels, and shopping with residential units.
In a second public meeting held with members of the Boston Redevelopment Authority, representatives from the Raymond Company presented details of its proposal to the public, including an outline of how parking concerns would be addressed.
?This is a unique opportunity,? said Ted Raymond of the Raymond Company and Bullfinch Congress Holdings.

According to Raymond, the company wants to get started ?quickly,? and will look to have all their approvals in place by the time the lease for the current tenants occupying the top floor offices expires in January 2010. If the approvals are not in place by that point, said Raymond, the project would be delayed indefinitely as the company would then look to find another tenant who would likely require a long term lease.

A big part of the appeal of the demolition, according to Raymond, would be destroying a structure that currently acts as a ?wall? between Bullfinch Triangle, the North End, Faneuil Hall, and Beacon Hill, which all converge on the site. Getting rid of the garage would help to join neighbors in much the same way as the removal of the central artery, said Raymond.
Of course, destroying the garage means destroying hundreds of parking spaces, and what to do about the loss of those spaces was one of the main topics of concern at last week?s meeting. According to Raymond CEO Steve Kasnet, the development would soften the loss of the spaces during construction by keeping some of the spaces open while the project was in the process of being built. The completed project, however, would still likely have fewer spaces than the current garage.
The developers said they are considering several different possibilities for parking on the site, and that community input would be a crucial part of the decision making process. Kasnet pointed out that the excellent public transportation access made fewer spaces palatable, especially given the fact that the current garage often does not operate at anywhere close to capacity.
Preserving a Boston-like ?character? is also key, according to Raymond. Rather than a huge high-rise or a single massive structure, the development will have an urban, neighborhood feel. The development, it is hoped, would be extremely pedestrian friendly.
A third meeting will be held in August to discuss more specific issues related to parceling on the site.
 
Re: Congress St Garage is being sold.

Wow, this proposed devlopment sounds like a good one.

As for the loss of parking, City Hall Plaza could be converted into a giant parking lot, with no appreciable aesthetic loss. LOL.
 
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I've been given strict orders by a former colleague of mine to speak no ill of this project - but truthfully, I can't find anything to complain about, this is a real slam dunk for the city. The developers have put out a web site on this project, I've emailed my colleague for the URL and have yet to hear back - does anybody know it? It's not the garage parking web site, he said it's one just on the redevelopment process.
 
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While I'm disappointed that there probably won't be a high-rise on this site, I think the developers were smart. Suggesting an urban neighborhood fee should help with the approval process and public perception. A lot of potential to get some well-crafted mid-rises. As noted in another thread - having a beautiful building is as important(or more) as having a tall one.
 

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