Casino for Springfield?

Somewhere we had a thread for the 2012 to 2015 "which casino will go where" discussions which included, for example, side-by-side renderings of the Springfield casino's original large size (tall hotel tower) and a later, smaller, shorter hotel tower. Anywhere know where that went? Seems it'd fill the gap from 2012 to 2017 that this thread suffers.
 
Arlington said:
Somewhere we had a thread for the 2012 to 2015 "which casino will go where" discussions which included, for example, side-by-side renderings of the Springfield casino's original large size (tall hotel tower) and a later, smaller, shorter hotel tower. Anywhere know where that went? Seems it'd fill the gap from 2012 to 2017 that this thread suffers.
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MA Casino Developments
 
Taken from the link above:

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I think this block looks great. Better than I'd expect!
 
My parents were here recently and my mom couldn't even find the casino. That's the folly of not building the tower with it. It doesn't stand out in any way, shape, or form!
 
DZH22 said:
My parents were here recently and my mom couldn't even find the casino. That's the folly of not building the tower with it. It doesn't stand out in any way, shape, or form!
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In other words, the casino design has achieved a shockingly and bewilderingly tasteful and thoughtful integration into the surrounding urban fabric. Who'd have thought that all casinos don't have to be gaudy garish spectacles of wretched excess?
 
DBM said:
In other words, the casino design has achieved a shockingly and bewilderingly tasteful and thoughtful integration into the surrounding urban fabric. Who'd have thought that all casinos don't have to be gaudy garish spectacles of wretched excess?
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In other words, that's not at all what I was saying. Thanks for twisting it with your own warped view.

It's at the far end of a road where there wouldn't be much foot traffic. Without some sort of higher point sticking out (ie the tower), there is no visual indication of where to find the casino from the main part of the city (down the street near Monarch Place). They could have kept a "bewilderingly tasteful" design but gone ~12 floors, and it would have been a small but noticeable peak at the end of the road so one would know the casino is there. I have been through Springfield 2-3 times in the past couple years and there is no other reason to wander that far down the street. The city becomes a dead zone very quickly in most directions.
 
DZH22 said:
In other words, that's not at all what I was saying. Thanks for twisting it with your own warped view.

It's at the far end of a road where there wouldn't be much foot traffic. Without some sort of higher point sticking out (ie the tower), there is no visual indication of where to find the casino from the main part of the city (down the street near Monarch Place). They could have kept a "bewilderingly tasteful" design but gone ~12 floors, and it would have been a small but noticeable peak at the end of the road so one would know the casino is there. I have been through Springfield 2-3 times in the past couple years and there is no other reason to wander that far down the street. The city becomes a dead zone very quickly in most directions.
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Ha ha, "warped view"--I'll take that as a compliment! But seriously, you couldn't tell I was being sarcastic, and I'm sorry for that. (But I think the image of generic Everymother getting lost in the streets of downtown Springfield searching for a casino is innately funny.)

Anyway, I do think it's highly misleading to claim the casino is somehow displaced from the "main part of the city." A quick glance at any map of Springfield shows the casino is embedded within the central downtown core. Heck, the photo a few posts above demonstrates that overwhelmingly!

Also, the "city becomes a dead zone very quickly" is unintentionally hilarious. Well of course it does: it's been suffering a prolonged economic slump for decades! That's why they were susceptible to having a casino being placed there in the first place...
 
DBM said:
But seriously, you couldn't tell I was being sarcastic, and I'm sorry for that.
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It wouldn't surprise me if half the fights over the internet are due to sarcastic remarks taken literally. It can be tough to convey that tone via printed text.


DBM said:
Anyway, I do think it's highly misleading to claim the casino is somehow displaced from the "main part of the city." A quick glance at any map of Springfield shows the casino is embedded within the central downtown core. Heck, the photo a few posts above demonstrates that overwhelmingly!
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The issue is that it's kind of the final block of *anything* worthy of being considered the downtown. Unless you knew specifically that what you wanted to find was down that block, it lacks the visual cue to entice pedestrians. I guess when I was there it was still a construction zone, but I definitely turned back to the "main area" and didn't venture down that final block. A casino needs to stand out to attract a crowd. It doesn't need to be garish, but it does need to be obvious, especially when there's no other reason to go to that area of the city (even if it does appear to be right downtown). Springfield isn't one of those cities worth exploring beyond the relative safety of the main part of the main street.
 
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