Ned Flaherty
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Re: Columbus Center
Hello, Sidewalks.
Anyone who feels that there is no legitimate basis for these data also must question the validity of the public subsidy applications seeking to finance this private venture with public dollars. Equally in doubt is the competence of the agencies giving that money away in grants, income tax breaks, property tax breaks, property discounts, government loans, etc.
The data you asked for appear below.
Figures submitted under penalties and pains of perjury, on 12 December 2006, by CalPERS-CUIP-MURC-CWCC:
Sale prices: $580-$1,550 per square foot
Hotel value: 162 rooms, value-per-key withheld
Retail rents: withheld
Office rents: This project has no office space.
Tenant improvements: Calculated into construction costs.
Construction costs: $438,300,000
Soft costs: $145,850,000
Developer fee: $5,850,000
Contingency: $46,800,000
Hello, Sidewalks.
Don?t be annoyed; I?m not pontificating; the data I post in the forum about the owners? costs, revenues, profits, and subsidies are all owner-provided, under penalties and pains of perjury, and so are worth quoting.. . . I find it mildly annoying when someone is pontificating about a subject which they appear to have little or no understanding.
Anyone who feels that there is no legitimate basis for these data also must question the validity of the public subsidy applications seeking to finance this private venture with public dollars. Equally in doubt is the competence of the agencies giving that money away in grants, income tax breaks, property tax breaks, property discounts, government loans, etc.
The data you asked for appear below.
In case anyone else had the same misunderstanding, thanks for pointing that out. I agree that the data the owners provided the government is questionable, for all the reasons you mention, and several others. I also agree that I, personally, don?t know the costs and values. Again, the numbers I post here are from public records.. . . your citing of the value vs. cost calculation is more than a bit questionable . . . You have no idea what the costs and value of this project are.
. . . What is the estimated sales price per square foot of the condos in this project? . . . hotel rooms per key? . . . retail and office rents? . . . tenant improvement? . . . current construction costs?
Figures submitted under penalties and pains of perjury, on 12 December 2006, by CalPERS-CUIP-MURC-CWCC:
Sale prices: $580-$1,550 per square foot
Hotel value: 162 rooms, value-per-key withheld
Retail rents: withheld
Office rents: This project has no office space.
Tenant improvements: Calculated into construction costs.
Construction costs: $438,300,000
Soft costs: $145,850,000
Developer fee: $5,850,000
Contingency: $46,800,000
There?s no doubt that all those factors, and others, determine the answers. I, too, guess that the figures which I quote from public records are not generated by any diligent analysis, because each public subsidy application contradicts the others.. . . The answer is...YOU DON'T KNOW. . . because such an evaluation would require . . . extensive data from office, retail and hotel brokers . . . enormous input from the contractor . . . financing and interest rates . . . phasing and lease up periods . . . I'm guessing that the figure you quoted below was not generated by such a diligent analysis.
The claims to profitability aren?t mine; they were made by CalPERS-CUIP-MURC-CWCC in public subsidy applications for government-backed loans, which required sale projections, profitability analyses, and repayment schedules. But thanks for getting me to confirm that the numbers are theirs, not mine.. . . don't make claims about how exceptionally profitable this project is, because there is no legitimate basis for making such statements.