Crazy Transit Pitches

Weird to see a Chelsea transit proposal right around the time I was thinking of some myself. These are entirely on existing or former rail lines, with some minimal crossing only to connect to existing stations:

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msi...ll=42.380612,-71.014938&spn=0.061246,0.140762

I've labelled this as an extension to the Orange Line, but it certainly could be its own line. Particularly since the East Boston extension I've proposed is basically part of the Urban Ring proposal.

The Revere and Lynn extensions would work best in conjunction with a Blue Line extension, in my opinion. In theory, I suppose this Lynn extension could be a replacement to the Blue line to Lynn, but its very circuitous. The Malden extension that connects back to the existing OL, I figure is just a convenient way to shuttle trains around, or as a backup during congested hours (express trains and the like).

In particular, I like the idea of improve MBTA access to the various industrial facilities near the lines, to make commuting life more tolerable for their employees. Having worked briefly on Eastern Ave in Chelsea, I would've killed for a walkable station to my place of work (hour long commutes when I still lived in Boston itself were maddening).

New-construction heavy rail over grade crossings = verboten. That kills every permutation on this map, and any possibility of interconnecting Blue/Orange on common equipment via Chelsea. Saugus Branch is a grade crossing minefield. Chelsea station can't be eliminated because of Route 1 overhead. And the Chelsea River crossing requires either mixed traffic on the Chelsea St. bridge or an adjacent movable span built at extreme, self-defeating expense.

Any of those ROW's are fair game for light rail (although all those bad-angle Saugus Branch grade crossings between Malden Ctr. and Route 1 make it almost impossible to dispatch), so you can go nuts with Green Line/Urban Ring permutations. But HRT and any Blue/Orange/Red combos are out of the question. The resource drain and diminishing returns for overcoming the last cosmetic grade separation obstacles totally overwhelm the viability of doing anything through here via the HRT mode. You can get 95% the same service at 25% the cost via by keeping that one Chelsea grade crossing, sharing the new lift bridge between pairs of traffic lights, and using trolleys on the otherwise same grade-separated ROW. The performance difference in modes doesn't make up for the extreme cost differential in builds.
 
New-construction heavy rail over grade crossings = verboten. That kills every permutation on this map, and any possibility of interconnecting Blue/Orange on common equipment via Chelsea. Saugus Branch is a grade crossing minefield. Chelsea station can't be eliminated because of Route 1 overhead. And the Chelsea River crossing requires either mixed traffic on the Chelsea St. bridge or an adjacent movable span built at extreme, self-defeating expense.

Any of those ROW's are fair game for light rail (although all those bad-angle Saugus Branch grade crossings between Malden Ctr. and Route 1 make it almost impossible to dispatch), so you can go nuts with Green Line/Urban Ring permutations. But HRT and any Blue/Orange/Red combos are out of the question. The resource drain and diminishing returns for overcoming the last grade separation obstacles totally overwhelm the viability of doing anything through here via the HRT mode.

Already working on a Green Line version as we speak. Although, I was imagining some viaducts and/or tunnels to solve the grade crossing issues.
 
Already working on a Green Line version as we speak. Although, I was imagining some viaducts and/or tunnels to solve the grade crossing issues.

I like what you've done, especially on the North side, but am curious as to why you used Green Line instead of Orange for the extension from Forest Hills to Needham. The typical fantasy rail map regarding that ROW has a GL extension off of the D Line that goes to Needham, with an OL extension covering the portion from Forest Hills to West Roxbury. I've always thought that would be the most suitable approach, but maybe you have something else in mind that I'm not considering.
 
I like what you've done, especially on the North side, but am curious as to why you used Green Line instead of Orange for the extension from Forest Hills to Needham. The typical fantasy rail map regarding that ROW has a GL extension off of the D Line that goes to Needham, with an OL extension covering the portion from Forest Hills to West Roxbury. I've always thought that would be the most suitable approach, but maybe you have something else in mind that I'm not considering.

Just so it can link back up through JP with a restored E line. I like the idea of having a continuous loop.

I added some more routes, to the Lexington/Bedford area.

Also, looking at the GLX and beyond, its absolutely maddening! There's only two at-grade crossings along that entire line all the way up to Woburn. The thing really could be heavy rail all the way up to 128. Too bad both those crossings are the very next two, in Medford.

Also, has anyone ever proposed connecting the D and C lines at Reservoir, tearing down that shuttered movie theater?
 
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Also, has anyone ever proposed connecting the D and C lines at Reservoir, tearing down that shuttered movie theater?
I guess you could do this, but I think it's probably more valuable to redevelop the Circle site for commercial and residential uses- really the walk between Reservoir and Cleveland Circle just needs to be made a little more friendly. (Also the traffic lights at Beacon and Chestnut Hill Ave desperately need to be retimed to be more pedestrian-friendly)
 
Just so it can link back up through JP with a restored E line. I like the idea of having a continuous loop.

I added some more routes, to the Lexington/Bedford area.

Also, looking at the GLX and beyond, its absolutely maddening! There's only two at-grade crossings along that entire line all the way up to Woburn. The thing really could be heavy rail all the way up to 128. Too bad both those crossings are the very next two, in Medford.

The West Medford crossings have to go even for RR ops. There's a staffed crossing tender at Route 60 all day long because the square is too busy to leave unattended. Just imagine what it'll be like with an ever-increasing Downeaster schedule, an increased Lowell schedule or a Nashua extension, more Haverhill service increases with the completed track work and probable new/bigger layover yard forcing more Anderson-Haverhill expresses onto the schedule, future NHDOT/Concord express service, and more freight with Pan Am pursuing a big ethanol tanker customer in Eastie and increased Everett Terminal presence. It's borderline intolerable in the square today, will be really really intolerable by 2020, and will keep spiraling from there because the NH Main is the #1 underutilized mainline on the system with how extremely high its capacity cap is.

Medford already makes this a regular subject in town meetings. The construction work for sinking the tracks into a cut from the Mystic bridge under the square is going to be a painful 2-3 year disruption. For one, they have to sever Canal St. for the duration of the project and won't be able to reconnect it with a new road overpass until the RR cut is 100% complete. But it's approaching majority consensus that the pain would be worth it.

The only thing they'd have to provision is that the cut be 4-track width so it doesn't preclude rapid transit in the future. They only get 1 shot to get that right. Very doable because the ROW used to have ancient freight sidings there just north of the Mystic bridge, and if they shift the station a few feet north (almost a requirement, since they'd have to build ramps down from the street) they'd have the room to flip it to the rapid transit side later and have RR trains express thru. But provisioning the width makes the retaining wall construction around the cut a little more arduous.

$$$ and pain, but there's almost no way around it. Other than Eastern Ave. and Everett Ave. in Chelsea, which are absolutely killing the Eastern Route schedules and are easy road overpass eliminations...this is the #1 crossing elimination project in the state. Way moreso than the oft-complained-about Framingham and Ashland crossings, which suck for the towns but are a nil drag on the trains.

Also, has anyone ever proposed connecting the D and C lines at Reservoir, tearing down that shuttered movie theater?

They already are...have been since Day 1 of the D. The loop track on the other side of the Reservoir outbound platform curves right around onto Chestnut Hill Ave., and the switches at the intersection can send trains onto the C or B. They sometimes do shift-change short-turns off the D that get waved right back inbound on the C, although it's never an officially-announced move.

So, yes, you could very easily combine Cleveland Circle and Reservoir into a single superstation...maybe even fare-enclosed with Charlies to offer a free line transfer. They just don't do it because of the extra light cycles at the intersection. Demand isn't that high.

I could see that potentially being worthwhile if they did the D-to-E Brookline Village connector and doubled-up + forked Huntington Ave. service on separate E Heath and E Reservoir permanent routings. That could even work if there were a Harvard Ave. short-turn on the B throttling back service up the hill to beef up service near BU. You can compensate the BC terminal with an E Boston College run--usefully frequent at peak but a great deal lower-density than all the regular branch schedules. I'm sure BC would lap that up if they had direct transit linking them with both BU and Northeastern.
 
Damn, F-line, is there anything you don't know about the MBTA? You really should consider writing a book. Glad to see that there's not only an answer but that it is something of a priority. Would the plan to sink the Medford section include sinking it under Canal St. as well?
 
Would the plan to sink the Medford section include sinking it under Canal St. as well?

Canal would have to be a half-and-half with the tracks sunk and the road raised in roughly equal measure since that crossing would be near the start of the incline off the Mystic bridge. Unless the town was OK with severing the street altogether (unlikely).

Easy construction compared to the other crossing. The road would just develop a slight 'hump' in it over the bridge, much like a lot of the Somerville overpasses over the Lowell and Fitchburg which were themselves a bunch of ancient crossing eliminations. The only issue is that the cut has to be 100% finished before they can start the bridge, so severing Canal would be the very first thing to happen in the project and reconnecting the very last thing.
 
Just so it can link back up through JP with a restored E line. I like the idea of having a continuous loop.

I like it too, but you have a big gap in density between Needham and West Roxbury due to nature preserves; that should never get developed. I also don't really see there being much need for local service between Needham and West Roxbury (as opposed to Newton and Needham, which already have economic, geographical and street connections). Lastly, I think there are very different frequency needs along that looped corridor: high along South Huntington, medium-high in West Roxbury, medium–low in Needham and medium-high along the Riverside line.

Combine that with the closure of yet another rail route into Boston (the Dover/Millis line), I'm not feeling it. Sorry. :-/

Also, looking at the GLX and beyond, its absolutely maddening! There's only two at-grade crossings along that entire line all the way up to Woburn. The thing really could be heavy rail all the way up to 128. Too bad both those crossings are the very next two, in Medford.

This was something I never liked about GLX. There is so much potential for that corridor all the way up to 128 to be rapid transit-worthy. (If the Red Line could've been extended to Arlington way back when...) But running LRT the 10 miles up to 128? I can't see anyone going for that. Yeah, it works for the Riverside line, but I think that's the exception, and moreover, it was essentially grandfathered in.

So extending the Green Line to Medford Hillside (or even West Medford) seems to close the door on expanding RT further north. And I don't like that. (Never close a door if you can help it.)
 
Armed with F-line's information, I've replaced the GLX with an Orange Line to Woburn (specifically, Anderson; that place is *huge*). Go any info on the original plans to bring the Orange Line up to Reading? What were they going to do with all the at-grade crossings there?

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msi...ll=42.497669,-71.174583&spn=0.061132,0.140762

Would I be correct in thinking that extending the Orange Line up to Woburn and out to Newton (as on my map) alone would do much to alleviate much of the rush hour congestion on the Green Line? By taking over the commuters from inner Metro West, the D line would be filled with almost only people from the central parts of Newton. I'd say that the Newton Orange line would take over riders from the B line, but that particular branch caters to masochists, so I don't know if they'd be drawn away easily.
 
I like it too, but you have a big gap in density between Needham and West Roxbury due to nature preserves; that should never get developed. I also don't really see there being much need for local service between Needham and West Roxbury (as opposed to Newton and Needham, which already have economic, geographical and street connections). Lastly, I think there are very different frequency needs along that looped corridor: high along South Huntington, medium-high in West Roxbury, medium–low in Needham and medium-high along the Riverside line.

Combine that with the closure of yet another rail route into Boston (the Dover/Millis line), I'm not feeling it. Sorry. :-/

Needham Jct.-Medfield Jct. is already dead-dead-dead. T got ripped off yet again by the Iron Horse trail scam. $1/99-year trail lease is already signed...Iron Horse Preservation will be showing up in a year or two to cart off the scrap metal and leave a lumpy piece-of-crap 'free' trail behind. The only way to reach the (kinda-sorta active) Medfield-Millis portion is an out-of-the-way detour from the Franklin Line. Shame, because Millis has always badly wanted its commuter rail back and the projected ridership was one of the highest of any extension. But the Dover NIMBY's were NIMBY's when the service was still running and are an utterly immovable object.

Lamer: Medfield Jct.-Framingham is a nice convenient alt route up to Framingham.


Honestly, with how incredibly difficult it would ever be to de-landbank with the impenetrable opposition in Dover, there's no upside to keeping this commuter rail. Orange Line it to West Rox, Green Line it to Needham Jct. As long as the Needham Line's consigned to perpetual 'tweener status on the commuter rail, there's nothing they can do to increase service density. It's the odd man out for sharing the NEC. Only the potential of a multi-branch mainline would've justified its permanent place in the NEC traffic mix, and that's now been shot to hell with the 2 potential routings past Needham Jct. salted over. I'd say let it go, replace the two halves with rapid transit, and extend the trail across 128 and Cutler Park to West Rox (because I don't think a 128 Orange park-and-ride brings enough all-day ridership) so it's actually a useful connecting rec route instead of a shitty-surface NIMBY scalping.



This was something I never liked about GLX. There is so much potential for that corridor all the way up to 128 to be rapid transit-worthy. (If the Red Line could've been extended to Arlington way back when...) But running LRT the 10 miles up to 128? I can't see anyone going for that. Yeah, it works for the Riverside line, but I think that's the exception, and moreover, it was essentially grandfathered in.

So extending the Green Line to Medford Hillside (or even West Medford) seems to close the door on expanding RT further north. And I don't like that. (Never close a door if you can help it.)

Provisioning is part of the reason why the stations are all being designed as prepayment with island platforms instead of D-like stops with onboard fares and track-crossing side platforms. They can be converted. Probably without much in the way of platform work since they could undercut the trackbed at most of them to get full highs. All of them have long enough platforms to hold 6-car HRT trains, there are no tight curves or clearance issues, and the electrical/signal conduits are being dug for easy modification to support future Lowell Line electrification...meaning it wouldn't be hard to switch over to 3rd rail power. Or...if they want to do it half-and-half like Blue, the Green Line overhead is 100% identical to Blue's and would be able to run HRT cars unmodified if the source power draw was beefed up accordingly. If they did a rapid construction job they could probably shut the line for 18 months and get a complete conversion.

All it really takes is getting the HRT line on-trajectory and preserving a parallel Green Line as far as the Union Branch + carhouse split. That's easy as hell if you branch Orange or something out of the N-S Link off the Orange portal and cut across BET.


The only moderately tricky parts for getting out to Anderson are:
-- Medford has to be grade separated at 4-track width.
-- The Route 16 and Mystic stone arch bridges have to be widened, but are historic structures. They'd do this by doubling the width with an exact-lookalike arch surgically joined to the old bridges to seamlessly look like a single-span arch.
-- All CR stations south of Anderson have to flip to rapid transit because there's no side-by-side room at any of them, and definitely no side room to do rapid transit + CR + freight passing tracks so the CR platforms can be all-high.
-- Winchester Ctr. overpass can't be widened to 4-track because of the surrounding density. That was actually the last grade separation ever undertaken on an active line on the current commuter rail network; B&M did it in 1960 so the tracks no longer bisected the rotary straight down the middle, and since it was modern-era construction there isn't a lot of leeway for more width. They'd probably have to leave the RR overpass intact for the Lowell Line and do a very short subway + subway stop underneath for rapid transit.
-- Rapid transit has to switch sides of the ROW from westerly to easterly because the freight customers start appearing en masse on the westerly side north of the Cross St. overpass (probably means your Winchester Ctr. subway stop is where the flip happens).

Other than that, it's ready-made for it as a mostly 4-track width ROW that's fully grade-separated and very well-buffered from abutting property. With plenty of yard space to plunk a large maint facility at Anderson. The 1945 expansion plan had the build proceeding almost exactly like that to Winchester Ctr. (with the eventual overpass being built 4-track from Day 1), only it cannibalized the (now obliterated by encroachment) Woburn Branch from there to Woburn Ctr. instead of staying on the NH Main.
 
Maybe to spare F-Line the typing; he wrote this earlier in the thread on the OL to Reading:

F-Line said:
Until 1979 the Haverhill Line only ran via the NH Main to Wilmington + Wildcat Branch, skipping all the Lowell Line stops until it forked off (much like today's Anderson-Haverhill expresses). See the 1975 system map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...r_rail_map.jpg. So when the OL-Reading extension was still a going concern in the mid/late-70's there would've been no commuter rail displacement...the Reading Line simply would've been swallowed whole into the rapid transit system and Haverhill would run like it always did. For the grade crossings the plan was to eliminate the ones that impacted station construction, but leave the others to piecemeal-eliminate as the years wore on. To do that OL trains were going to switch from 3rd rail to overhead at Oak Grove, like Blue does. So the 01200 trains currently running have pantograph mounts on the roof and are literally identical in every way except carbody dimensions to the recently retired Blue 0600's. You could truck an 01200 out to Orient Heights, slap a panto on it from one of the 0600's still in dead storage, and run it on Blue this instant anywhere north of State St. curve where the longer carbody will fit.


I doubt they would entertain a heavy rail build today that has grade crossings. It's simply not done anywhere anymore because drivers are so much more stupid around grade crossings than they were 35 years ago. And I doubt they're too keen on doing more power-switching lines...anything Orange is going to stay 3rd rail. I doubt if it didn't already exist that today they would've built Blue like they did in 1952...3rd rail heaters have come a long way. So you have to figure a significant premium for crossing elimination to Reading, which will kick it far down the priority pile. Certainly lower than extending the grade separated south end of the OL.



I do think they need to punt Haverhill back onto its original alignment. Too many damn stops and too much of a capacity choke out to Wilmington Jct. on the current alignment. Improve the Lowell Line, which has 2+ times the inherent capacity it's actually using, and double-track the Wildcat (may happen anyway for the Downeaster). Stop at Anderson, Wilmington, and re-open/ADA Salem St. station on the Wildcat Branch as a somewhat superior-location replacement for North Wilmington. Then they've got the flex to make really nice travel time out to Haverhill/Plaistow, can probably re-open/ADA Shawsheen station which now has an adjacent office park, and maybe even drop down a North Andover station by the airport if demand merits.

Then revert Reading back to short-turn, buff up the frequencies as much as the Medford single-tracking allows (it's never going to be a particularly fast line with that kind of stop spacing), plunk down a new stop at Quannapowitt/128 as a Wakefield-Reading spacer serving all the new development at that exit, raise all the platforms (which they can't do north of Wilmington on the freight main) and use the automatic door coaches, and make it its own 'quasi-Fairmount' inner 'burbs thing until the demand crests and it waits its turn for another crack at the rapid transit system. They had separate routings for a reason in the old days...Haverhill-via-Reading is a crappy setup for serving the inner stops with needed frequency and outer stops with tolerable travel times, and splitting the difference ends up punishing both audiences with subpar service. As much as it's going to improve when the ongoing improvements are finished, it's not going to be top-notch service until they at least start diversifying a much bigger % of the weekday schedules with many more Anderson expresses traded for more Reading short-turns.

I think the OL via Framingham Branch is a no-go due to the lack of space next to the railroad/highway.

Also, the Union Square branch of the GLX would probably stay GLX, and not be converted to heavy rail.
 
I like it too, but you have a big gap in density between Needham and West Roxbury due to nature preserves; that should never get developed. I also don't really see there being much need for local service between Needham and West Roxbury (as opposed to Newton and Needham, which already have economic, geographical and street connections). Lastly, I think there are very different frequency needs along that looped corridor: high along South Huntington, medium-high in West Roxbury, medium–low in Needham and medium-high along the Riverside line.

Combine that with the closure of yet another rail route into Boston (the Dover/Millis line), I'm not feeling it. Sorry. :-/

Alright, I give in, I've split it into an OL to W. Roxbury and a GL to Needham. I also decided that doing different shades was getting distracting, so every line is just its main color (as close to the google transit map color as I can get). I also extended the Arborway line down through to Mattapan (probably the craziest thing I've proposed yet). I'd suggest incorporating the MHS line to it, but I'm not sure how that would go over.

I'm trying to figure out how to improve access to Dedham. My goal is to get transit access to downtown Dedham and Legacy Place (any other shopping centers along the Prov Turnpike are bonuses).

The only easy route is adding an OL spur to Endicott and Dedham Corp Center, which does net us Legacy Place.

There's also what looks like a pretty solid former right of way breaking off almost due west from Readville, along Milton and High Streets that seems to stop pretty much dead right at that rotary on the turnpike. I suppose a line could be routed there and then down along the various shopping centers (probably behind them), and then looping back up at the Dedham Corp center and back up to Readville (in a giant teardrop loop).

Also just past the W. Roxbury stop, you can just make out an old right of way heading south along the turnpike. It looks like there's be some development on top of it (a school, some houses...) so thats kinda a no-go, unless anyone wants to dig some tunneling. If you did that, you could run the entire W. Roxbury branch down that path, along the turnpike, hitting every single shopping center and then looping back up at Corp Center. Thats really something of a long shot, though.

Oh, crazy alternative: Blue-Red connector between Aquarium and S. Station. Continue the blue line down through fairmont, and then have *it* do the Dedham teardrop loop.
 
Maybe to spare F-Line the typing; he wrote this earlier in the thread on the OL to Reading:



I think the OL via Framingham Branch is a no-go due to the lack of space next to the railroad/highway.

Also, the Union Square branch of the GLX would probably stay GLX, and not be converted to heavy rail.

The wiki link got killed by formatting, but deductive work helped me find it:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/1975_MBTA_commuter_rail_map.jpg

I like how the commuter rail lines have arrows pointing to Spfld and Prov, as though they were going to go down that far.
 
Alright, I give in, I've split it into an OL to W. Roxbury and a GL to Needham. I also decided that doing different shades was getting distracting, so every line is just its main color (as close to the google transit map color as I can get). I also extended the Arborway line down through to Mattapan (probably the craziest thing I've proposed yet). I'd suggest incorporating the MHS line to it, but I'm not sure how that would go over.

I'm trying to figure out how to improve access to Dedham. My goal is to get transit access to downtown Dedham and Legacy Place (any other shopping centers along the Prov Turnpike are bonuses).

The only easy route is adding an OL spur to Endicott and Dedham Corp Center, which does net us Legacy Place.

There's also what looks like a pretty solid former right of way breaking off almost due west from Readville, along Milton and High Streets that seems to stop pretty much dead right at that rotary on the turnpike. I suppose a line could be routed there and then down along the various shopping centers (probably behind them), and then looping back up at the Dedham Corp center and back up to Readville (in a giant teardrop loop).

Also just past the W. Roxbury stop, you can just make out an old right of way heading south along the turnpike. It looks like there's be some development on top of it (a school, some houses...) so thats kinda a no-go, unless anyone wants to dig some tunneling. If you did that, you could run the entire W. Roxbury branch down that path, along the turnpike, hitting every single shopping center and then looping back up at Corp Center. Thats really something of a long shot, though.

Oh, crazy alternative: Blue-Red connector between Aquarium and S. Station. Continue the blue line down through fairmont, and then have *it* do the Dedham teardrop loop.

That ROW to Dedham Ctr. is T-owned and has been held by them and the MTA since 1945 when the OL Dedham extension was first proposed. Then in '08 they granted easements to build Belle Ave. houses on top of the ROW. Total...dick...move. It's now obliterated forever. The only way Dedham Ctr. could ever get rail transit now is west out of Readville on the properly landbanked and unencroached Dedham Branch. Rather far away to be reachable from any available rapid transit line, unless you forked it off Fairmount/Indigo with DMU's.

The rest of the old W. Rox-Islington ROW down to 128 was cannibalized by the Route 1 widening in the early-50's. Back when it was 2 lanes the tracks were offset from the road by only 10 or 20 feet. Now the ROW is literally underneath the NB right lane. Not an option.


Endicott/Dedham Corp. can't be 4-tracked. The Franklin Line's surrounded on both sides by water. Not gonna pass muster with an EIS. Neither will the NEC out to 128. Amtrak wants its 4th track out of Forest Hills and 3rd out of Readville back, and will block any attempt at the T pinning them in to 2 tracks + 2 rapid transit tracks. And no way you're doing 3 RR + 2 RT from Readville to 128 and getting an EIS approved through the swamp.

I would say Dedham Ctr. fork off Indigo or Red/Mattapan is the closest you're getting to a rapid transit park-and-ride out here. Which is close enough from the exit to work.


Dedham Corporate might gain legs by getting Foxboro up and running and doubling frequencies on the Franklin out to Walpole. Not rapid transit, but definitely critical mass as CR schedules go.
 
That ROW to Dedham Ctr. is T-owned and has been held by them and the MTA since 1945 when the OL Dedham extension was first proposed. Then in '08 they granted easements to build Belle Ave. houses on top of the ROW. Total...dick...move. It's now obliterated forever. The only way Dedham Ctr. could ever get rail transit now is west out of Readville on the properly landbanked and unencroached Dedham Branch. Rather far away to be reachable from any available rapid transit line, unless you forked it off Fairmount/Indigo with DMU's.

The rest of the old W. Rox-Islington ROW down to 128 was cannibalized by the Route 1 widening in the early-50's. Back when it was 2 lanes the tracks were offset from the road by only 10 or 20 feet. Now the ROW is literally underneath the NB right lane. Not an option.

I was wondering why there houses on what looked like a RoW. I'd like to see them work with the Dedham Mall and the other large shopping centers. Those guys have some pretty hefty parking lots, but there's so many shuttered businesses there (the big boys are doing well, of course). Weave along the backside of their lots, it might work.
 
DominusNovus said:
We have some very similar ideas there (only natural, since its easiest to build on RoWs). How would you handle routing the blue line through Needham?

Lots of money to nuke the at-grade crossings is the only way to get rapid transit down that route. I have other maps that leave the Riverside/Needham Jctn branch on the Green D. That's much more feasible for real world GLX.

I always find myself extending the Blue Line down the riverbank and at Kenmore the easiest route for it is converting the D to HRV. I have other maps that have the blue go through Allston and Watertown via pricey tunnels...
 
Lots of money to nuke the at-grade crossings is the only way to get rapid transit down that route. I have other maps that leave the Riverside/Needham Jctn branch on the Green D. That's much more feasible for real world GLX.

I always find myself extending the Blue Line down the riverbank and at Kenmore the easiest route for it is converting the D to HRV. I have other maps that have the blue go through Allston and Watertown via pricey tunnels...

Gotcha. I gotta say, this is much more fun than playing Sim City (which I'll probably buy anyway when it comes out).

Looking to the South Shore, I've noticed that there are very few at-grade crossings along the Greenbush line until you get to the area around E. Weymouth. Admittedly, not very far by Commuter Rail standards. Wish there was a way to loop up around there to the shore, around the shipyard area.
 

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