Crazy Transit Pitches

What do you mean by the single-track pinch by Sullivan? Eastern Route trains have double tracks all through that area; only the Western Route gets the single track. (Unless I'm wholly misunderstanding routings).

If the Medford Branch eventually becomes truly dead and gone, would it be worth filling in the underpass there and simply putting the Orange Line and Western Route tracks on the surface? That seems like it would eliminate a nasty grade / height restriction on the Western Route, and be one less aging concrete structure to maintain.

A historical footnote: I believe the freight stub just past Medford Street was (briefly) the original connection to the Saugus Branch, only used for about two years in the 1850s.

Now for a really crazy pitch: fixing the two Malden stations. Oak Grove is wholly doable if desired, even if you wanted to keep it as a DMU stop - put a turnout under a widened Winter Street bridge, build out the platform into an island, and realign the entrance road slightly north of the station. (Speaking of Oak Grove, it looks like somebody's crazy pitch was actually put into practice in 1975 - the OL platform looks like it was built with a provision for extending it for 8-car trains).

Malden Center is a massive pinch point, with absolutely everything stopping there. You'd have to bump the second track out as much as possible on the wide embankment north of the station and build it over the fare lobby, with the now-island platform moved a bit south. Obviously it would require a lot of expensive bridges and embnakments, but the only property taking might be slivers at the back of the stores along Commercial Street
 
The only major consideration is that Eastern Route must still get full priority at the single-track pinch @ Sullivan Sq. used by all non-Lowell/Fitchburg trains, so Reading inbounds may have to pause frequently for schedule adjustment on the little piece of double track next to Assembly Sq. to let an Eastern Route or Reading outbound pass. On a very short line with no thru-running Haverhills, that's not a big deal and the fudge factor can be built into the schedule.

I was referring to this, I can't cite anything else but I believe it's been said on here before about increasing frequency on the Eastern route.
 
How much would it cost to extend the Orange line out there as originally planned? The bottlenecks are there because the OL takes up 3 tracks, and if existing service is going to go through the Lowell line then why not? With Lowell turned to OL then the Eastern Route is the only thing going through the Sullivan bottleneck and frequent dmu Lynn/Salem would be much easier.

What would the T have to do to switch over the Lowell line to heavy rail? If they're worried about cars then they can put an option on the orders they're already making for the orange/red and buy more when the time comes. Could they re-use most of the cr trackage and row, or would this be more complicated then that?

I'm assuming you mean the Haverhill Line (Western Route) here - the Lowell Line is getting the Green Line Extension which is wholly separate, and will always be the primary commuter/intercity route to the north.

What killed the project in the 70s is, more than anything else, the grade crossings. There are 15 between Melrose and Reading, and every single one would require elimination. Melrose (who killed the project) would need a full-scale Greenbushing to avoid completely murdering east/west commute routes, regardless of local opinions.
 
How much would it cost to extend the Orange line out there as originally planned? The bottlenecks are there because the OL takes up 3 tracks, and if existing service is going to go through the Lowell line then why not? With Lowell turned to OL then the Eastern Route is the only thing going through the Sullivan bottleneck and frequent dmu Lynn/Salem would be much easier.

$$$$$$.

It's the grade crossings. 15 of them, nearly all abutting the station stops. Some of them are very busy crossings, too, like Greenwood which has to have a staffed crossing tender all day long. They would have to build Malden Ctr.-esque elevated stations or Oak Grove-esque pits at every single one of the existing stops. With all the NIMBY concern-trolling that would ensue.

In the 1970's when they were first considering this the plan was to eliminate only the worst of the crossings, switch the OL to overhead power at Oak Grove like the Blue Line, and run to at-grade stations for the platforms that immediately abutted reasonable-traffic crossings. That's not going to fly today with an HRT line, so they'd have little choice but to go for total elimination.

That moves it way, way lower than the W. Roxbury extension and most others on the priority pile because of the added expense. The only thing that would up the priority is the N-S Link and electrification of the inside-128 commuter rail network. That's a complete waste of time and money for the Reading Line because of how much of the route would have to have entirely duplicate electrification, and how little extra track capacity it has to offer Link-originating traffic for that electrification expense. It becomes the northside's odd man out. And by that point however many decades in the future the northside will be a much different place with Malden-like density pushing further and further out to Reading, so the time will be ripe to go whole-hog Orange with it justifying the cost.

What would the T have to do to switch over the Lowell line to heavy rail? If they're worried about cars then they can put an option on the orders they're already making for the orange/red and buy more when the time comes. Could they re-use most of the cr trackage and row, or would this be more complicated then that?
The Lowell ROW is 4-track width most of the way to Anderson. For the most part it would be much like GLX now where you're not doing any additional land-taking whatsoever to lay the tracks. The pinch points are:

-- The Route 16 and Mystic River bridges. Those were always 2-track old stone arches. When GLX was eventually going to continue to West Medford both of these bridges were due to be expanded to 4 tracks, possibly with the historic arches being faux-extended with conjoined new structures. That was studied and can absolutely happen.


-- West Medford grade crossings. Route 60 is one of the worst crossings on the system. GLX was going to stop short of it on opposite side of the street from the CR platform, and Canal St. crossing probably would've been closed. Rapid transit or no, escalating CR and Downeaster traffic alone will render this one intolerable. Other than Eastern Ave. and Everett Ave. in Chelsea on the Eastern Route this is the #1 highest-priority crossing elimination on the system. To do it they'll probably have to start a steep incline off the Mystic bridge on the 1400 ft. towards Route 60, use a trackbed drop + road bridge as half-and-half of the Canal St. separation, go under Route 60, and drop the station into a deep cut. Then incline-up at an easy, gradual grade en route to Wedgemere.

Expensive, very disruptive during construction...and there's growing consensus in the neighborhood that the end result would be worth the few years of pain. If they proceed with this the smart thing to do is make the cut 4-track width, even if the 16/Mystic bridges are untouched and there are no immediate plans to use the other berths. One-and-done. The West Medford station cut will work as a 4-tracker if they put retaining walls up to the Playstead Rd. sidewalk a la Somerville Ave. @ Porter station. And maybe redevelop the Rite Aid parcel with something taller but a few feet further offset from the station. If GLX comes out here, just outright flip the CR station to the other side. You will see behind the station that the line goes 3-track for a short distance. A lot of extinct freight used to be on the couple blocks on either side of W. Medford.


-- Winchester Ctr. Viaduct. Done in a package with the Wedgemere grade separation in the 50's (grade crossings used to be straight down the middle of the rotary). If the station gets nuked there's probably room for 4 tracks on either side of the rotary overpass, but it would be a very tough sell to widen the overpass and obscure nearly the entire rotary, much less put a rapid transit station on top of it. If this is a blocker with the town you may need to leave the RR up on the viaduct and dip down for 1500 ft. of subway under Laraway Rd. and Shore Rd. with an underground station to skirt the viaduct.

My guess is this dilemma means the line ain't ever coming past West Medford unless you're dead serious about extending all the way to Anderson in one fell swoop. And that probably isn't necessary unless the N-S Link throws so much traffic down the Lowell Line and so much growth to the northside 'burbs that there's crying need for the local stops to all flip modes and for CR trains to all run express to Anderson before fanning out.


-- Individual bridge widenings the rest of way, but nothing too major.

Wedgemere: platforms currently hang off the Aberjona River and Bacon St. bridges; assuming rapid transit displaces the CR platforms must move the station stop to the other side of Bacon St. to fit 4 tracks over the bridges.

2-track bridges and overpasses needing +2 track widening: Skillings Rd. Winchester, Cross St. Winchester, Mishawum Rd. Woburn.

Current or former 3-track bridges/culverts/overpasses needing +1 track widening: Spruce St. Winchester ped underpass (culvert), Swanton St. Winchester, Montvale Ave. Woburn, Walker Pond drainage (culvert).

Unmodified overhead bridges in Woburn that need no structural mods but may need drainage ditch reconfiguration underneath to fit extra tracks around abutments: Salem St. (maybe), Olympia Ave. (maybe), Route 128 (definitely).



And that's it. You can see the rest of the ROW is wide enough to handle 4 tracks with minimal landscaping, including through the swamps. And that there's a lot of current and former freight sidings (including. a semi-abandoned yard across from Calvary Cemetery) serving up recent-origin 3- and 4-track space. Plus signal towers already spaced for at least 3. North of Winchester viaduct to Anderson the ROW preparation is consistent with the same minor cosmetic work that's been going on for a year in Somerville and Medford in prep for GLX. Take that GLX bridge, culvert, and retaining wall work ongoing...multiply by 2x as many structures and distance, and you get a pretty accurate picture of what costs would be everywhere outside of Winchester Ctr. and outside the stations. Assume that the Medford crossings are a by-2020's project driven by commuter rail and Downeaster alone (taking Reading for DMU's and moving Haverhill over might be the trigger). And assume that a +1 GLX extension that remakes the 16 + Mystic bridges is a decades-sooner project attached to or closely trailing the crossing elimination project.


Not bad at all except for solving the Winchester viaduct problem. It probably costs less to get between 16 and Anderson than it does to get from Oak Grove to Reading. Although I don't think the past- W. Med ridership really matters as much as Reading or matters at all until the N-S Link forces enough traffic up the Lowell Line and wholesale-transforms the demographics and commute patterns on all the northside inside-128 'burbs.



In the meantime if they can find an excuse to:
-- Get rid of senselessly duplicate Wedgemere with a better and more frequent bus to GLX.
-- Get rid of all-around senseless Mishawum.
-- Add a badly needed Woburn infill stop around Montvale Ave., and do a brisk W. Med.-->Winch Ctr.-->Woburn-->Anderson jaunt.
-- Move the full Haverhill thru schedule over, expand that schedule with a bigger Bradford-replacement layover yard
-- Extend the Lowell Line to Nashua with that requisite big layover yard to increase frequencies (right now Lowell has no active layover)

That probably achieves a near- clock-facing schedule just on the push-pulls. With 15 min. frequencies at peak that don't require any supplemental DMU's. Which may be necessary if the DMU model they buy can't board from low freight-clearance platforms. The line can go on the Indigo map all the same if the peak schedules to the NH border are full enough, and if they fill in the off-peak gaps with short Anderson-turning trains of just a locomotive + couple of cars. The stop spacing here is so uniformly wide here there's no perceptible clock penalty on a push-pull vs. DMU when standard all-vehicle schedule padding is taken into account.
 
What do you mean by the single-track pinch by Sullivan? Eastern Route trains have double tracks all through that area; only the Western Route gets the single track. (Unless I'm wholly misunderstanding routings).

My bad...I'm getting my locations messed up. Yes...it's the junction and 1 track splitting from 2 instead of 2 from 2 causing the pinch. Western Route does immediately go to back to 2 tracks for 300 ft. after it peels away, but the difference in grades where Eastern and Western diverge prevent doing a fluid junction that allows trains on either route to closely trail each other in the same direction. There might be a way to fix that by moving a bunch of earthen embankment around, spreading the Eastern Route out a little closer to its former alignment (that stub siding behind Charlestown bus garage) and evening out the middle ground so they can split 2 x 2. But that's a lot of work for a small fix. They need a very compelling reason to do that and exhaust every other enhancement first.

If the Medford Branch eventually becomes truly dead and gone, would it be worth filling in the underpass there and simply putting the Orange Line and Western Route tracks on the surface? That seems like it would eliminate a nasty grade / height restriction on the Western Route, and be one less aging concrete structure to maintain.
A lot of work for a purely cosmetic enhancement. Pan Am doesn't use the Western Route for freight at all unless it has to get to Medford (which hasn't happened since Summer 2010). Fitchburg Line is their preferred backup route into Boston if there's a problem on the Lowell Line. I think the last time they had to re-route freight over the Reading Line was during the 2010 floods when both lines were disrupted by tracks under water. Today they only run a light move over it once a year or so as excuse to re-qualify crew member credentials on the route (pretty much the only reason they ever divert down the inner Fitchburg Line either). Unless the tunnel develops some serious structural problem that makes it worth filling in vs. keeping, there's no capacity or clearance reason to do anything whatsoever to it.


Now for a really crazy pitch: fixing the two Malden stations. Oak Grove is wholly doable if desired, even if you wanted to keep it as a DMU stop - put a turnout under a widened Winter Street bridge, build out the platform into an island, and realign the entrance road slightly north of the station. (Speaking of Oak Grove, it looks like somebody's crazy pitch was actually put into practice in 1975 - the OL platform looks like it was built with a provision for extending it for 8-car trains).

Malden Center is a massive pinch point, with absolutely everything stopping there. You'd have to bump the second track out as much as possible on the wide embankment north of the station and build it over the fare lobby, with the now-island platform moved a bit south. Obviously it would require a lot of expensive bridges and embnakments, but the only property taking might be slivers at the back of the stores along Commercial Street

I don't think you need to do that. Oak Grove commuter rail really isn't worth reopening for the DMU's. Malden Ctr. is the bus terminal, so OG is just as useless at those frequencies and just as duplicate to Wyoming Hill. You would want the schedule hit of an infill stop to get absorbed by a Route 128 stop between Wakefield and Reading, not here. If you could get that Wellington passing track out as far as Medford St. you're only talking a 1.7 mile pinch encompassing one station's platform. 1.4-1.5 miles if the start of double track gets moved back closer to Oak Grove now that all the freight sidings immediately past the end of Orange Line track are all abandoned.

You can clear that short a space faster than most headways. The only question is whether that gets you the full 15 mins. in either direction or 20-22. But if that still leaves you with more to go, then the next thing to spend money on is not stuff up on the densely-abutted embankment in Malden, but pushing piles of earth around that Eastern + Western split in Somerville to make that a 2 x 2 junction.

Then your single track is down to the 1.5 Malden miles and 3/4 mile over the Mystic. If that doesn't achieve all your full-blast 15 min. headways in either direction then you're still within 3-4 mins of target and in no way, shape or form does carving a path of destruction through the whole of downtown Malden to widen the works ever justify the chase for 3 fewer minutes. Besides, if the N-S Link forces that decision on expunging Reading from the commuter rail because that build turns it into the proverbial "northside Needham" odd man out, all of this carving-up you just did in Malden is useless for the Orange Line and probably has a total shelf life of 30 years or less (i.e. bailed-on younger than the 3rd OL track they've still never used). If you can't say with certainty that it's going to have firm uses at a 50-year level or longer, it's not worth doing to a heavily urbanized downtown.


I mean, c'mon...DMU's are not a magic bullet for everything. That's making the same mistake the BRT evangelists did in the 90's. Take the very substantially improved service and run with it if some non-invasive stuff gets the headways inside that Indigo sweet spot and meets the basic goals of that network. The whole point of it is maxing existing infrastructure, not creating kajillion-dollar megaprojects. Save the $$$ for heavy steel and concrete and tunneling where it matters most: getting these folks around downtown once the masses have been dumped into the terminal.
 
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Somewhat updated..


I'm betting that an Essex St. Subway could be built. Get rid of the MBTA unions. Period. Everything could happen.... without the unions.....
 
Always interesting to me which routes people choose for Indigoification. What was your logic in sticking DMU's on the Western Route as opposed to the Main Line?

I know I'm bringing a bit of the real world into the "crazy transit" thread but based on the DMU proposal just released, MassDOT and the MBTA believe DMUs have a role on the New Hampshire Main Line and not on the Western Route. The focus is on improving headways to the large parking facility at Anderson and speeding up Lowell trains (plus the existing Haverhill trains that operate via the Wild Cat) by having the Anderson locals make the local stops in Winchester and Medford. Splitting up the peak service between Lowell express trains and Woburn/Winchester local trains was actually a concept that was considered as part of the 1994 PMT (although using Mishawum station, before Anderson was built) that seems to have been dusted off and updated with DMUs.

There is no desire to expand parking in Reading, Wakefield, or Melrose. The existing peak commuter rail service at these stops is already reasonable (every 30 minutes in the AM peak, every 20-25 to Wakefield and Reading in the PM). The 131, 132, 136, and 137 bus routes provide feeder service to Oak Grove from the same area as well and, for Melrose stops, provide good local coverage with direct connections to the rapid transit system.

A reminder that before the new draft CIP and DMU map appeared we had a clue that something was up when this MPO study was initiated back in October:
http://www.ctps.org/Drupal/data/calendar/htmls/2013/MPO_1017_DMU_Study.html
The study includes this key description:
“Deploying DMUs on existing commuter rail corridors has the potential to provide better transit service to densely developed areas that are not currently well served by MBTA rapid transit or bus service and to allow for full utilization of underutilized facilities such as parking garages”

That description sounds more like the Main Line than the Western Route

Also, my understanding is the demand model they are running for this study assumes that the existing commuter rail fares will apply at all stations and DMU routes being evaluated, but I can’t find any written document to confirm (or not confirm) that. Once the MPO study is completed, we will have some idea what the estimated ridership is for these corridors, and just what assumptions were made on service frequency and fares. Dr. Scott has recently said that she would like to see distance-based pricing on the rapid transit system (from a WBUR interview) like WMATA or BART.

http://radioboston.wbur.org/2014/01/13/mbta-chief-beverly-scott

That could mean that by 2024, it might be more likely that fares to outer rapid transit stations will be closer to existing commuter rail fares vs. commuter rail fares being closer to existing rapid transit fares. So I wouldn't assume that they are thinking of existing rapid transit fares on the longer services being evalulated
 
^ Absolutely gorgeous graphics c_combat. Stunning.

Thanks dude!

I think that this may be the most logical way to go about expansion. Seeing that the expansion would be somewhat minimal. It's more of a reconfiguration based on implemented expansion (GLX) and some expansion itself.

-COMM AVE Subway is a major overhaul, of course. Way worth it to Allston/Brighton residents

-Extended E-Line is simple tracks on the street with some traffic reconfiguration.. simple enough.

- F-Line/Essex St. Subways will cost a few bucks but at the cost of connecting existing infrastructure.... I'd take it (as a taxpayer)

This plan was brought to you by BIGMAN312!
 
A-Line should be good to go soon, once the baby boomers die off, there should be no more regressive NIMBYs
 
Were you inspired by the TransitMaps Tumblr (Cameron Booth)'s map tutorials? It's graphically very similar (stations, transfers, routing, etc) and executed flawlessly.

Btw, is there a reason you chose to have the C serve the Seaport other than the fact that it looks the cleanest (it's on the bottom of your central subway portion)?
 
It does look the cleanest, but after the fact that I thought it would be best allocated to that route, this map sort of came about naturally. If there is a reason to reallocate the C-line to another place I would like some feedback.

I haven't seen any TransitMaps from Tumblr. I used Adobe Illustrator and basically traced over the existing map but made my own alterations. Is there a link Cameron Booth's stuff I could check out?
 
It does look the cleanest, but after the fact that I thought it would be best allocated to that route, this map sort of came about naturally. If there is a reason to reallocate the C-line to another place I would like some feedback.

I haven't seen any TransitMaps from Tumblr. I used Adobe Illustrator and basically traced over the existing map but made my own alterations. Is there a link Cameron Booth's stuff I could check out?

http://transitmaps.tumblr.com You should actually submit your map to him!
 
Also, Living in SF for a little bit gave me the idea to portray the GL this way. It's basically the MUNI metro style *sort of* against a true rapid transit system...
 
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Get rid of the MBTA unions. Period. Everything could happen.... without the unions.....

Unions aren't what makes a tunnel like that difficult-to-impossible to build and the MBTA's problems have nothing to do with its unions.
 
Is it because the soil is poor? Or that there is a lot of existing street traffic?


I'm only contemplating this kind of stuff. I'm not urban planner yet. But from what I can understand only now, is that MBTA employees get paid more than anyone else in their shoes in other cities. I might be ignorant on this matter but it sounds like that's reason to get upset over fare increases alone, let alone proposals renovations and *gasp* espansion! in a city that is growing in population.

The T sucks. It really needs to be fixed. I don't know what will help, but sounds like unions are a problem to start with..http://www.mbta.com/uploadedfiles/Smart_Forms/News,_Events_and_Press_Releases/MBTA payroll 62013.pdf
 
The T sucks. It really needs to be fixed. I don't know what will help, but sounds like unions are a problem to start with..http://www.mbta.com/uploadedfiles/Smart_Forms/News,_Events_and_Press_Releases/MBTA payroll 62013.pdf

Things like the MBTA being burdened with the Big Dig debt, politics of the state legislature and state agencies, and federal funding inequalities between transportation modes have a lot more to do with the MBTA's financial difficulties than the fact that they pay their employees well.
 
Things like the MBTA being burdened with the Big Dig debt, politics of the state legislature and state agencies, and federal funding inequalities between transportation modes have a lot more to do with the MBTA's financial difficulties than the fact that they pay their employees well.

Based on what the MTBA is, I would say their employees don't get payed well, I would say that their employees get paid extraordinarily well.
 
The part about the Big Dig debt is certainly true since that is probably the single biggest obstacle it has from a budget perspective. You just can't carry that kind of a debt load with stagnant revenues and ever-increasing expenses with zero increase in labor productivity. Labor costs are easily a close second. That said: all aspects of the MBTA's structure are crippling its potential.
 
BU stop consolidation? Those stops are overkill as is. In a subway they are absurd.

I haven't settled on anything, but I think Data raised an important point. Which line goes to Seaport is very important because that line doesn't serve downtown. You have A and B serving Comm Ave/BU and then both continuing through downtown. It might be worth splitting one off to the Seaport? I haven't thought it through fully, but they are the only double headway region west of Kenmore. There is a certain symmetry to the A running to Seaport - both being "new" rapid transit corridors. Preserving the status quo for the B and C seems might head off serious objections from homeowners who planned their purchase around their commute (which is something we should fully endorse and support).
 

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