Dorchester Bay City (nee Bayside Expo Ctr.) | Columbia Point

But again, even if you make across the expressways alive there’s no mass transit there. So what good does it do anyone?
Let's try a different take:

A currently flood prone neighborhood that is having major flood mitigation measures added as part of its development.

Access to a rail transit hub via an existing (well used) underpass under the expressway. Transit that we do hope is being fixed.
 
Let's try a different take:

A currently flood prone neighborhood that is having major flood mitigation measures added as part of its development.

Access to a rail transit hub via an existing (well used) underpass under the expressway. Transit that we do hope is being fixed.
You can hope the red line gets fixed in one hand and shit in the other and see which one gets filled quicker.

This project is not a new neighborhood, it’s a new office park for metrowest and south shore car commuters.
 
This project is not a new neighborhood, it’s a new office park for metrowest and south shore car commuters.

There is some housing. OK, so it won't be cheap (the next door Harbor Point Apartments starts at $2595, for a 1 bdr, and this will def be decently more than that) but you would be adding another 1900 units in theory.

Maybe some people who live there (or live at Harbor Point) will get a job at the offices and save them a trip.

If there's anything to be cynical about, it's more how much of this project will actually get built.
 
But again, even if you make across the expressways alive there’s no mass transit there. So what good does it do anyone?
I'm confused. Are you trying to make an MBTA service level joke? I use the red line through here daily. It's honestly not that bad.
 
I'm confused. Are you trying to make an MBTA service level joke? I use the red line through here daily. It's honestly not that bad.

Between Kendall and SS there is only one real bad slow zone - NB between Park and MGH... where it takes 2 minutes instead of 1. That's probably why.
 
I’m actually not miserable because I don’t live next to a log flume ride that some people insist is mass transit.
Wow you quadrupled down on your take, impressive. I dont disagree but when you let massive developments that hang their hats on public transportation completely skate and not pay their fair share to keep the system functioning, well this is the system you get.
 
Let's try a different take:

A currently flood prone neighborhood that is having major flood mitigation measures added as part of its development.

Access to a rail transit hub via an existing (well used) underpass under the expressway. Transit that we do hope is being fixed.
And not to forget, the Expressway is actually on the other side of the station from the location for Dot Bay City, unless we are to accept the assertion that Morissey Blvd is an expressway. Which yeah, maybe, but at the same time, there are facilities for crossing as a pedestrian, and traffic calming measures coming as part of this development.
 
And not to forget, the Expressway is actually on the other side of the station from the location for Dot Bay City, unless we are to accept the assertion that Morissey Blvd is an expressway. Which yeah, maybe, but at the same time, there are facilities for crossing as a pedestrian, and traffic calming measures coming as part of this development.

Within a few years, Morissey will be a canal.
 
And not to forget, the Expressway is actually on the other side of the station from the location for Dot Bay City, unless we are to accept the assertion that Morissey Blvd is an expressway. Which yeah, maybe, but at the same time, there are facilities for crossing as a pedestrian, and traffic calming measures coming as part of this development.
I don't think that there is a definition of "expressway" that does not include Morrissey Boulevard.
 
For this very reason, I'd say that the best and highest use of this land would be to turn it into the marshy swampland it once was.
I hope large new developments don't get shut down unilaterally because of climate change. I think mitigation would be a better course, such as setting aside areas of the development for wetlands, to help absorb storm surges.
 
Local residents, yearning for hardscape and a surface parking lot, sue to block the addition of housing, modernizing amenities, and resilience efforts for the floodplain near where they live.


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Perilla also asks for the development team—and UMass in particular— to commit to a Harbor Point proposal to re-purpose a currently vacant parcel on Mount Vernon Street— known as R2— into a “community recreational area,” including a soccer field, basketball courts, and playground.”

In addition, Perilla makes the case for a mitigation fund to specifically benefit the Harbor Point tenants. “To date, Accordia and UMBA have designated generous funding commitments to organizations with tenuous connections to the Columbia Point peninsula, while their primary abutter— the residents of Harbor Point— were not mentioned in their MEPA filing when they discussed their plans to address mitigation and community benefit.”


We hate this project, it might make flooding here worse (it won't), BUT if you give us a playground and some cash to use at our discretion, we might back down.

Build the towers taller.
 
Local residents, yearning for hardscape and a surface parking lot, sue to block the addition of housing, modernizing amenities, and resilience efforts for the floodplain near where they live.


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Perilla also asks for the development team—and UMass in particular— to commit to a Harbor Point proposal to re-purpose a currently vacant parcel on Mount Vernon Street— known as R2— into a “community recreational area,” including a soccer field, basketball courts, and playground.”

In addition, Perilla makes the case for a mitigation fund to specifically benefit the Harbor Point tenants. “To date, Accordia and UMBA have designated generous funding commitments to organizations with tenuous connections to the Columbia Point peninsula, while their primary abutter— the residents of Harbor Point— were not mentioned in their MEPA filing when they discussed their plans to address mitigation and community benefit.”


We hate this project, it might make flooding here worse (it won't), BUT if you give us a playground and some cash to use at our discretion, we might back down.

Build the towers taller.
Being honest, those don't seem like unreasonable demands. I could see where the neighborhood would be annoyed with how much favor the developers have tried to buy by engaging other groups (see prior post...)

If the hardscape persists, it won't be because the neighbors sued, it will be because the developers were unserious.
 
Being honest, those don't seem like unreasonable demands. I could see where the neighborhood would be annoyed with how much favor the developers have tried to buy by engaging other groups (see prior post...)

If the hardscape persists, it won't be because the neighbors sued, it will be because the developers were unserious.
"engaging other groups" aka paying bribes to neighborhood associations of nimbys no one should listen to? It's not even clear that the payoffs are going to legitimately organized nonprofits --- but if you're a group of local nimbys, the city of Boston will let you get your pound of flesh no matter how illegal.
 
Being honest, those don't seem like unreasonable demands. I could see where the neighborhood would be annoyed with how much favor the developers have tried to buy by engaging other groups (see prior post...)

If the hardscape persists, it won't be because the neighbors sued, it will be because the developers were unserious.

I think it’s a little bit obscene that the Corcoran-Jennison Companies, which boasts of developing more than $3.5 billion worth of housing and commercial developments across 19 states, is suing the developer in order to extract recreational fields and a mitigation fund for their tenants. Surely, if CJC really cared about these things they could cough up the funds to provide them for their own tenants.
 
"engaging other groups" aka paying bribes to neighborhood associations of nimbys no one should listen to? It's not even clear that the payoffs are going to legitimately organized nonprofits --- but if you're a group of local nimbys, the city of Boston will let you get your pound of flesh no matter how illegal.
Okay, but...
I think it’s a little bit obscene that the Corcoran-Jennison Companies, which boasts of developing more than $3.5 billion worth of housing and commercial developments across 19 states, is suing the developer in order to extract recreational fields and a mitigation fund for their tenants. Surely, if CJC really cared about these things they could cough up the funds to provide them for their own tenants.
...this lawsuit wasn't filed by people any more legit.
 

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