DOT Parcels | 25-28 Kneeland Street | Chinatown

JeffDowntown said:
Mitigation at parcel 27 cannot be a whole lot worse than what Wynn is going through in Everett for the casino site. At least someone probably has a map of what was buried in parcel 27!

There is also reasonable solid land throughout parcels 25, 26 a, b. Those are not all air rights. The Kneeland Street frontage is about 80% solid land, I believe.

One big cost factor not often discussed is the need to mitigate tunnel exhaust fumes from buildings on the site. Big exhaust stacks and careful HVAC design are needed to keep the buildings from sucking in all the pollution from the 93 tunnel. This was one of the cost issues that torpedoed the school proposal for parcel 25.
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I agree, 25 and 26 are doable easily. The areas to the east and west of 27 are pipe dreams though, especially without doing some sort of foundation on 27.
 
That can't be true because the Copley Tower site actually has less land underneath it to place a building on than 28 a/b, 29, and 30. It would be difficult to accomplish building anything on those sites but certainly not impossible to do.

Here is an image with all solid land on those parcels highlighted no tunnels or other access roads are underneath the highlighted land.

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Link to map: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z-P0elakuhEs.kf9h7l3Oh8GY&usp=sharing
 
File this under "never gonna happen" but I wonder if they would entertain a proposal from Prudential/Chiofaro for a land swap package including the Aquarium Garage. It is apparent that there is an impasse there between Don's ego, the City's ego, the Harbor Tower residents' entitlement, and the economics of that project. If BRA/Boston has control over that site they could dictate much more what the eventual use, height, and square footage would be by placing those limitations directly in the RFI. They might even make a couple of bucks off of parking in the meantime.

Meanwhile, Don does have flair for big towers that could actually enhance this site, go big, and provide a pretty iconic gateway from the south. Love 'em or hate 'em, International Place does anchor the skyline from the harbor.
 
From the Green Line Reconfig thread:

Upstruk said:
With an RFP being developed for DOT parcels 25-27, it seems like DOT should take a moment to look into the feasibility of extending the greenline through the Tremont st tunnel and into the silver line transit way. The two routes discussed on these boards are along Hudson street and through these parcels.
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I agree this is a great opportunity to actually study this.
 
FAA map shows this site at 300' am I missing something?
 
That is not necessarily a hard limit and in some spots potentially this one could be negotiated to be taller.
 
If the "Reggie Wong Memorial Park" has been legally designated as such, there will be the Article 97 issues to be addressed with the City Council and Legislature.

Can someone give the background on the asbestos? Did some agency gather it and encapsulate it under that green mound? Where did it come from? Thanks.
 
617 said:
FAA map shows this site at 300' am I missing something?
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How is that possible? Wasn't the South Station Tower (a football field away from these parcels) supposed to be a decent sized tower in the 500-600 foot range?
 
tobyjug said:
If the "Reggie Wong Memorial Park" has been legally designated as such, there will be the Article 97 issues to be addressed with the City Council and Legislature.

Can someone give the background on the asbestos? Did some agency gather it and encapsulate it under that green mound? Where did it come from? Thanks.
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Tobyjug -- much too much speculation founded on very loose underpinnings

Let's wait until the proposal information becomes a public document -- all we heard yesterday was an agreement to plan to make the site available for development -- before there is even an RFP there will be meetings with various local and other interested parties as to what is feasible

Even GE might have an interest -- probably not for Global HQ -- but perhaps for Current the newly organized GE Division
[gleaned from articles in the BBJ, Globe and Fortune]
  • Current: Specializes in smart energy products and Internet of things services -- the GE Cloud
  • Current incorporates: GE’s LED lighting, solar power, electric vehicle, and energy storage products, along with its Predix management software
  • temporarily housed at the WeWork co-working space near South Station
  • 20 employees should be at the new office within weeks, with perhaps 40 more by the end of the six-month lease.
 
Officials are saying the goal is for 2 million square feet between both parcels.

"We're anticipating great things occurring here," said Brian Golden, head of the Boston Redevelopment Authority. Gov. Baker talked up transit-oriented development at a formal announcement Tuesday of the state's intentions (the site is near South Station). Officials are bandying about the figure 2,000,000 square feet as the goal for any project, with a sizable chunk of that presumably going to housing."

http://boston.curbed.com/archives/2016/02/kneeland-street-development-boston.php
 
BosDevelop said:
How is that possible? Wasn't the South Station Tower (a football field away from these parcels) supposed to be a decent sized tower in the 500-600 foot range?
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I was wondering the same thing. The South Station tower was approved at over 600 feet (around 635 l believe to the top of last occupiable floor).
 
Right. Just google up the Massport/FAA height restrictions map. There is a sort of "Downtown" demarcation line that passes almost right through these parcels, leaving South Station on one side of the line-- at 675'-- and these Big Dig parcels on the other-- at 325'. I don't know the precise reason why such a line is precisely where it is, but some above commentators have speculated that, for at least these parcels, some sort of provision might be made as they are so close to the line.
 
The only bad part is this parcel is literally 100 ft off centerline of the flight path from runway 9/27-the runway singlehandedly responsible for all of the height problems in this city. This parcel is closer to 9/27s flight path than any tower in Boston, and much closer than any tower that has been shot down due to the faa thus far. I did a lil flyby on apple maps in 3d mode and it goes right past the corner of this.

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It would be to the left of the Pru in the above picture, which is the furthest building to the left of the cluster of 3.
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How much would it cost to infill north of runway 9/27 and then rotate it counter clockwise a little.
 
Blackdog said:
How much would it cost to infill north of runway 9/27 and then rotate it counter clockwise a little.
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Blackdog -- This never would happen -- No one is going to consider filling or move any runways -- the last small runway project took nearly 30 years to overcome the opposition and then only because Massport promised to only use it one way and only when the winds were above a certain speed in a certain direction
 
Blackdog said:
How much would it cost to infill north of runway 9/27 and then rotate it counter clockwise a little.
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Between the years of neighborhood, city, state, federal, and environmental litigation and associated costs, I'd guess about the same cost to rotate the Ted Williams tunnel counter clockwise a little. ;) Seriously, it ain't gonna happen.
 
atlantaden said:
Between the years of neighborhood, city, state, federal, and environmental litigation and associated costs, I'd guess about the same cost to rotate the Ted Williams tunnel counter clockwise a little. ;) Seriously, it ain't gonna happen.
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Atlantaden -- if you are proposing to rotate the the Ted then please lets deepen its trench so that we can do some further dredging on the harbor to let big ships in at low tide :p
 
stick n move said:
The only bad part is this parcel is literally 100 ft off centerline of the flight path from runway 9/27-the runway singlehandedly responsible for all of the height problems in this city. This parcel is closer to 9/27s flight path than any tower in Boston, and much closer than any tower that has been shot down due to the faa thus far. I did a lil flyby on apple maps in 3d mode and it goes right past the corner of this.

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It would be to the left of the Pru in the above picture, which is the furthest building to the left of the cluster of 3.
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Looks like we will get a wall of 325's. Let's hope they at least make it interesting given the vantage point. Not sure where open space would be with the 2M Sq Ft goal at that height.
 
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