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Horrifying. This and other cases where just an accusation starts an avalanche of career ruin. Online media lynch mobs destroying lives without even the sham of a kangaroo court trial. Nope this is not some far-fetched potential future dystopia it's here and now and getting more normalized by the day. After a trial and if there is a conviction then let the fallout happen. This is how totalitarianism metastisizes...
 
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Brad Plaid said:
Horrifying. This and other cases where just an accusation starts an avalanche of career ruin. Online media lynch mobs destroying lives without even the sham of a kangaroo court trial. Nope this is not some far-fetched potential future dystopia it's here and now and getting more normalized by the day. After a trial and if there is a conviction then let the fallout happen. This is how totalitarianism metastisizes...
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This is not the same as some accusation without facts, he admitted to the payment and admitted to lying to his own board about it. The board didn't fire him because of media accusations alone.
 
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Brad Plaid said:
Horrifying. This and other cases where just an accusation starts an avalanche of career ruin. Online media lynch mobs destroying lives without even the sham of a kangaroo court trial. Nope this is not some far-fetched potential future dystopia it's here and now and getting more normalized by the day. After a trial and if there is a conviction then let the fallout happen. This is how totalitarianism metastisizes...
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In a fair and just world I would agree, but this entire argument is based on the assumption that powerful people get convicted for crimes they commit. Clearly that is not the case as we can see from Ted Kennedy all the way to Donald Trump among many others. Sexual crimes in particular are tough to convict on because there is often little to no evidence of the crimes committed.

In this case, Steve Wynn has multiple allegations against him from independent parties across multiple decades. Wynn himself even admitted parts of it were true. Are you seriously suggesting it's some fabricated conspiracy to take him down? That sort of thing would be more appropriate in a crackpot forum with the moon landing hoaxers and 9/11 truthers.
 
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Brad Plaid said:
Horrifying. This and other cases where just an accusation starts an avalanche of career ruin. Online media lynch mobs destroying lives without even the sham of a kangaroo court trial. Nope this is not some far-fetched potential future dystopia it's here and now and getting more normalized by the day. After a trial and if there is a conviction then let the fallout happen. This is how totalitarianism metastisizes...
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It's not "just an accusation," so your argument is shot from the start. There are no "lynch mobs" in the case of Steve Wynn. In fact, his assaults are the ruination of *other people's lives* and whatever punishment he gets is likely to be far, far less than what he deserves.

But you go on about "totalitarianism," which apparently means that a predator has to retire at the age of 76 while keeping his billions of dollars. Tough life!
 
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Wynn may not be all that relevant here but I did say others too. The much bigger point is that you don't have to look far at all to find presumption of innocence thrown into the garbage can by media mobs looking for blood. The damage done by an unadjudicated accusation, just an accusation mind you not an official criminal charge or an actual trial, is unrepairable and irreversible. Not surprising as this is becoming the age of the minimal preponderance of evidence standard. For those who think this is acceptable because it punishes powerful men don't think for a nanosecond that it can't or won't, if left unchecked, trickle down to the rest of us. The abuse and outright negation of the rights of "Average Joe" defendants in Family court is horrific proof of this. This is territory that needs to be navigated very carefully and fairly in respect of everyone's, and especially the accused's, rights.
 
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I would argue the point further, but it would be off-topic. The only relevance for this thread is that Wynn is guilty, by his own admission.
 
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Brad Plaid said:
Wynn may not be all that relevant here but I did say others too. The much bigger point is that you don't have to look far at all to find presumption of innocence thrown into the garbage can by media mobs looking for blood. The damage done by an unadjudicated accusation, just an accusation mind you not an official criminal charge or an actual trial, is unrepairable and irreversible. Not surprising as this is becoming the age of the minimal preponderance of evidence standard. For those who think this is acceptable because it punishes powerful men don't think for a nanosecond that it can't or won't, if left unchecked, trickle down to the rest of us. The abuse and outright negation of the rights of "Average Joe" defendants in Family court is horrific proof of this. This is territory that needs to be navigated very carefully and fairly in respect of everyone's, and especially the accused's, rights.
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With all due respect I don't think you fully grasp what has been happening with Wynn and others. What you are describing simply isn't happening. It's not a single, unverified claim taking down these people. You or I could not just write a blog post about being sexually assaulted and someone's career would be ruined. These stories are multiple accusations from independent people that have been corroborated and verified by third parties. It's bringing to light systemic abuse caused by these men which has been happening for decades.

Do false claims exist? Of course. But the major media stories have all been verified from multiple independent sources, so stop acting like it's a witch hunt.
 
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Defense of people like Wynn is more embarrassing than 9/11 trutherism. When did we learn to stop applying Occam's Razor? Is this really the most straightforward narrative you can construct from these events?We've seen what happens to the powerful (mostly nothing) when their accusers step forward, and we've seen what happens to their accusers. Labeled as liars, made the target of retaliation by powerful teams of lawyers, becoming the object of judgement even as victims, all for what?


Next one might expect someone to step in to interlocute for Donald Trump, or Bill Clinton, or Bill Cosby, or Harvey Weinstein, or Woody Allen, or Roman Polanski. Steve Wynn is not a victim here.
 
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Tbh, it sort of reveals who's probably guilty of some kind of bad behavior towards the opposite sex because they seriously seem to be fretting that they are next.
 
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cadetcarl said:
Defense of people like Wynn is more embarrassing than 9/11 trutherism. When did we learn to stop applying Occam's Razor? Is this really the most straightforward narrative you can construct from these events?We've seen what happens to the powerful (mostly nothing) when their accusers step forward, and we've seen what happens to their accusers. Labeled as liars, made the target of retaliation by powerful teams of lawyers, becoming the object of judgement even as victims, all for what?


Next one might expect someone to step in to interlocute for Donald Trump, or Bill Clinton, or Bill Cosby, or Harvey Weinstein, or Woody Allen, or Roman Polanski. Steve Wynn is not a victim here.
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People don't appreciate actual journalistic integrity anymore from actual news organizations. They are so used to Fox News taking the latest half baked conspiracy theory and running with it as fact. When the news side of the Wall Street Journal publishes something (the opinion side is another can of worms) it lends a lot of credibility to it. Just like the New York Times did with the Weinstein scandal. These news organizations don't publish something like that without a lot of evidence backing them up.
 
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Did you just call the NYT credible? LOL
 
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The NYT is credible in particular if you are looking at the non-opinion pieces that they publish. They are one of the best newspapers still in operation as far as credibility goes.
 
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Gonna be fun watchin' America's so-called intellectual elite on MSDNC splainin' it all when a dozen of Obama's FBI and DOJ holdovers are being led away in handcuffs. lt will sting a bit, but it's for your own growth.
 
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I never expected this thread to sort out who among us are complete wingnuts, but there you go. Anyway, I strongly suspect the name will change, and we may even find this particular project spun off as a separate entity.
 
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Brad Plaid said:
Horrifying. This and other cases where just an accusation starts an avalanche of career ruin. Online media lynch mobs destroying lives without even the sham of a kangaroo court trial. Nope this is not some far-fetched potential future dystopia it's here and now and getting more normalized by the day. After a trial and if there is a conviction then let the fallout happen. This is how totalitarianism metastisizes...
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Well if it's a lynch mob, then I guess that we would have to go back to Salem in the 1600's and ask all of those witches men burned. Circle of life. Doesn't feel so good to be on the other end of persecution, eh?
 
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In conclusion, the wingers of AB have decided that a recession is imminent, rich and famous dudes who harass and assault women have it pretty bad, numerous arrests of DemocRAT Party filth are about to take place, government is evil and needs to butt out of everything, and both the New York Times and MSNBC blow the donkey dongs.

Does that about sum it up? Anything else relevant to the Wynn casino in Everett that needs to be added to this unimpeachable list?
 
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Coyote137 said:
In conclusion, the wingers of AB have decided that a recession is imminent, rich and famous dudes who harass and assault women have it pretty bad, numerous arrests of DemocRAT Party filth are about to take place, government is evil and needs to butt out of everything, and both the New York Times and MSNBC blow the donkey dongs.

Does that about sum it up? Anything else relevant to the Wynn casino in Everett that needs to be added to this unimpeachable list?
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I'd say its relevant because if Wynn paid $7.5M to his manicurist for just a manicure and not for hush money, he should not be entrusted to make decisions for a multi-billion dollar company because clearly he's lost his mind! :D
 
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Well this has been interesting. Who knew that defense of robust due process is just so wrong.
 
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HenryAlan said:
I never expected this thread to sort out who among us are complete wingnuts, but there you go. Anyway, I strongly suspect the name will change, and we may even find this particular project spun off as a separate entity.
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Agreed. My block list keeps on getting richer.

This thread (and the winthrop sq one) is a honeypot for posters who can't shut the heck up. There are a lot of people who need to ask themselves, "Is this post *contributing* to this community of architecture-minded, development-loving construction nerds, in a way that is architecture-minded and development-loving?"

Another way to ask yourself before you hit the post button: "Would Beeline be proud of me?"
 
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Jouhou said:
Tbh, it sort of reveals who's probably guilty of some kind of bad behavior towards the opposite sex because they seriously seem to be fretting that they are next.
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Wow, just wow.
 
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