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JeffDowntown said:
The challenge is that casino operators want none of this. They want to pull you inside, and never have you see the light of day again until you are drained of cash.

This is why Atlantic City remained a wasteland right up to the big casino's on the boardwalk. There was zero interest in investing in the surrounding area, investment that might distract you from dropping money in the casino.
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Casino owners don't want it, but we can (and do) extract it from them. Build the state the infrastructure and public amenities that we need/want, you get to build your casino.

Leaving it up to a casino operator to do solely what they want is rarely a good idea.

tangent said:
I tend libertarian so I don't think the government really should have been in the business of picking winners and losers for casino licenses and there should have simply been legalization, but given the government monopoly model chosen we don't have the choice to have small local gambling with local ownership (except using a non-profit model...) so it is worthwhile to talk about as a public issue where the money is going and how the state can best capture and reinvest the gambling revenues to better attract out of state investment and support local redevelopment.
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Full legalization brings with it all of the pitfalls that the naysayers have brought up repeatedly. It gives you Atlantic City. Restricting it to one high value license keeps the bar high.
 
Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett

Wynn has been acquiring/contracting nearby parcels and we don't really know the details.

Some stories have it being offsite employee parking

Other stories have it that Wynn's acquiring nearby parcels along 99 in Everett and relocating those tenants to new industrial/commercial sites within 3 miles.

Can anyone provide more details on this? It goes a long way to understanding that Wynn may himself add condos/timeshares and amenities/whatnot nearby.
 
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Wonder how deep they will dig before they cap the site.

Also if this site is contaminated wouldn't the mystic river also be?
 
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I think we covered the Mystic River pollution levels fairly recently?

The short answer was yes, it is polluted to varying degrees at varying points along the river.
 
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TheRifleman said:
Wonder how deep they will dig before they cap the site.

Also if this site is contaminated wouldn't the mystic river also be?
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statler said:
I think we covered the Mystic River pollution levels fairly recently?

The short answer was yes, it is polluted to varying degrees at varying points along the river.
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The Charles is still extremely polluted at the lowest layers of silt, but it's now covered by enough unpolluted new layers that the nasty stuff has been completely out of the circulating water for 20 years (ever since Gov. Weld celebrated that declaration with that photo-op dive off the pier in his full suit). As long as the settled layers are not dredged back up the pollution stays there inert and gets covered by more and more layers of new unpolluted silt until it's 'capped' by nature. That's why they're still reluctant to allow swimming in the lagoon beyond small trials...still got more years of nature taking its course before there's a thick enough natural 'cap' for human feet to not take their toll stirring up the cap with too much repetition.

This is also why it's better to just leave it there instead of doing a mass-dredging of the soil. That just sends the settled pollution right back into mass circulation in the water column in too-small particles to filter and makes such a mess it ends up far worse than if you just left it alone. Every river in New England--even the cleanest and most pristine--has some degree of the same natural process going on, and some covered-over silt layer with nasty stuff in it from our long-passed industrial heyday. All of them.


The Mystic's in the same boat with nature doing its own silt-capping process. North of the dam it's rebounding very quickly. Enough so that the recent pollution controls in Alewife Brook should start showing themselves in the readings on the mainline Mystic by next major survey snapshot. South of the dam it's going to be a lot slower because it's much deeper water and there's tidal and storm surge effects from the Inner Harbor. Takes a lot longer for the natural capping process to establish itself when the ocean-effect currents lightly stir the top layers. But it's not like anyone's going for a swim off the deepwater dock at Everett Terminal, so that's a least-concern for the abutting density. As long as port commerce at the Terminal and on Chelsea River aren't actively worsening the issues (they haven't for decades...too little heavy industry left) the mouth of the river will heal itself in lockstep baby steps with the rest of the Inner Harbor. Capping the ex-Monsato land ensures there's no fresh large source of polluted runoff slowing that self-healing process at the river mouth.
 
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Arlington said:
Wynn has been acquiring/contracting nearby parcels and we don't really know the details.

Some stories have it being offsite employee parking

Other stories have it that Wynn's acquiring nearby parcels along 99 in Everett and relocating those tenants to new industrial/commercial sites within 3 miles.

Can anyone provide more details on this? It goes a long way to understanding that Wynn may himself add condos/timeshares and amenities/whatnot nearby.
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The park across the street, has been converted to employee parking, the baseballs fields were covered with gravel.
Also the base for one of the tower cranes was placed yesterday
 
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DrFreewind said:
The park across the street, has been converted to employee parking, the baseballs fields were covered with gravel.
Also the base for one of the tower cranes was placed yesterday
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It will be very interesting to see if this land acquisition is used to bootstrap redevelopment of the immediate area or if this really ends up being just direct parking/support for the casino itself. Either way it probably helps the area, but it would be good to see some updated plan for the area.
 
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Is one of the acquired sites the McDonald's next to the Honda dealership? I was surprised to see that suddenly razed the other day.
 
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statler said:
Is one of the acquired sites the McDonald's next to the Honda dealership? I was surprised to see that suddenly razed the other day.
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Wow. That was a recently remodeled location, too. I guess something big is going there. Parking lot was always absurdly large for the size of that location, so it would make sense.


It's a little bit far up the street from the parcels Wynn was targeting. McD's is sandwiched between Honda to the left, newish public storage building to the right, and the T to the back. You can plop something large and square the size of the storage building on that parcel...but unless the storage building is going too there's no row of consecutive developments to be had on this end of the street. That would leave it less likely this particular one was a Wynn buy-up.
 
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^^^ Wynn is turning the entire 99 area---Into the Casino Zone.
This probably makes sense.

I remember you couldn't give property away in this area of Everett.
 
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TheRifleman said:
^^^ Wynn is turning the entire 99 area---Into the Casino Zone.
This probably makes sense.

I remember you couldn't give property away in this area of Everett.
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I dunno about that. The McD's parcel is opposite end of the street from Wynn where all the new lofts on the 170 block just went up. North of Beacham has flipped so heavily residential now it's just not much of a fun-n'-games fit. All of that new housing is going to continue to fill out and claim the remaining warehouses on Charlton St. to the T driveway; QSX Labels, Inc. by the rotary; and probably the two auto chop shops and tattoo parlor on the old-growth side of the street down that way to pack it all full of housing. Beacham + Honda trace a very sharp dividing line between all-residential and all-commercial that's gotten way more divergent with the new lofts. I can't see that changing because it does do a nice job divvying up the street so one half doesn't bother the other. Any sort of sudden reversal in that deliberately planned parting-of-the-ways would make for much crappier coexistence, which in turn does no favors for the skyrocketing land value along Broadway.

Wynn's going to see more value in flipping the side-street chop shops on the Broadway-to-Robin blocks south of of Beacham. The residential's going to see more value flipping the chop shops on the Broadway-to-Robin blocks north of Beacham. And both sides will probably want to build their own sound walls separating them from Everett Terminal like the Courtland-to-Lynde blocks of Robin currently have to keep the nasty stuff that has to keep growing on the terminal property well out of sight/sound.
 
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F-Line to Dudley said:
that's gotten way more divergent with the new lofts.
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Which, by the way, have already cleared $10 million in sales:

http://www.thecharlestonchewlofts.com/sales

This, along with (what I understand to be) the huge success of the One North luxury apartments in Chelsea offers further evidence, it seems to me, that even the very formerly toughest quasi-industrial borderland neighborhoods in inner Boston are ripe for gentrification in the current climate.

Which makes downtown Lynn's lack of revitalization all the more puzzling to me. It's still just 15 minutes up the Rockpoint CR line, after all... but I guess it's just that much less transit rich than Everett & Chelsea? What do people think. And I'll admit my comparisons (Everett/Chelsea vs. downtown Lynn in terms of balancing the overall amenities on each side of that equation) may be entirely incongruous...
 
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Upstruk said:
http://www.everettindependent.com/2015/07/29/wynn-files-newest-environmental-reportaddresses-sullivan-square-impasse-with-boston/

The McDonald's parcel is going to be a roadway for T and Wynn access. The article linked includes a plan. The roadway will be an extension of Beacham.

http://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/wynn-just-bought-a-bunch-more-land-in-42585/

Wynn also bought property north of the casino across from River's Edge.
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Other interesting stuff in those articles. Flyover to Wynn Casino from the north bound rt 99 and speculation that the Malden River parcel could become a golf course. The golf course idea could really mix things up a bit.
 
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tangent said:
Other interesting stuff in those articles. Flyover to Wynn Casino from the north bound rt 99 and speculation that the Malden River parcel could become a golf course. The golf course idea could really mix things up a bit.
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I think the article meant this flyover which eventually leads over to rt 99 from rt 16 east and not a different flyover from rt 99:

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Leading me to a critical question... How am I going to get to Santilli Highway from rt 16 east in that proposed configuration?
 
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tangent said:
Other interesting stuff in those articles. Flyover to Wynn Casino from the north bound rt 99 and speculation that the Malden River parcel could become a golf course. The golf course idea could really mix things up a bit.
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My source reminded me: the GE parcel has only 22 usable acres (some are river bottom, others flood plain) and given how far it is upriver (many parcels and Santilli circle) the best guess is still that the GE parcel (opposite bank of the Malden river from the Tufts boathouse) is place he can relocate those users from those parcels that are immediately adjacent or facing the Casino along 99.

And along 99 his first objective is to ensure no rival hotels or venues. He can always offer a better deal to any owner or leaseholder because he can offer relocation. His second priority is to clean it up and give it a better feel for his visitors on his property--which may mean open space in the near and mid term, so don't expect any nice new developments on the east side of 99 until Wynn has fully built out his parcel on the west side.
 
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How long before Wynn offers the T a replacement bus garage, in exchange for their current property?
 
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