Fall River/New Bedford Commuter Rail (South Coast Rail)

I believe the numbers they are giving are for both directions - so it's really just 14 round trips going to 16.
The press release states "The project team expects 70 minutes between trains on weekdays."

Assuming that relates to the terminals and not just East Taunton which would be really weird, 8 round trips on each branch is not enough to cover that. In fact it's about half of what's needed.
 
Maybe I'm reading between the lines here, but I'm imagining that (most) every train would have a meet with a shuttle train at East Taunton - such that each terminal has ~8 direct round trips and ~8 more with transfers.
 
What is the max ops for the Quincy/Dorchester pinch? I was distraught Wednesday seeing the CR train pull out of Quincy Center right as I got to the station...only to find out there was another inbound train coming less than 5 minutes behind it.
 
What is the max ops for the Quincy/Dorchester pinch? I was distraught Wednesday seeing the CR train pull out of Quincy Center right as I got to the station...only to find out there was another inbound train coming less than 5 minutes behind it.
Depends on how peak-oriented you want the service to be. Multiple outbounds or multiple inbounds can ride each other's taillights at basically 5 minute frequencies, but once you start introducing opposite-direction meets it gaps out in a hurry. If the goal is to have something regular going in each direction you hit a very hard cap at about today's service levels. They do a very precarious dispatching mix of ride-the-taillights for multiple branches before switching to the opposite direction, and it doesn't allow for very full reverse-peaks.
 
My Greenbush 8:10am train this last Thursday was delayed almost 30 minutes into South Station because of outbound train traffic and delays. (…..according to the announcement.) I’m worried about additional traffic on the Quincy-Dorchester main line with additional Fall River and New Bedford service. One small delay turns into a domino impact on all the Old Colony lines!
 
Alright, so here's a reasonable transit pitch to enhance SCR: allocate one additional trainset, and double frequencies to each branch by coordinating a timed transfer in East Taunton.
Holy shit, they actually decided to do this!

From https://www.mbta.com/news/2024-09-18/mbta-general-manager-shares-south-coast-rail-updates-taunton:
Train schedule

Initially, 26 trips were expected to be part of revenue service daily for the Fall River and New Bedford lines. The team has since increased total weekday trips between South Station and East Taunton to 32. This includes 15 trips on the Fall River line (increased from 13) and 17 trips on the New Bedford Line (increased from 13). There will be a total of 26 trips between South Station and East Taunton on the weekends. The project team expects 70 minutes between trains on weekdays and 120 minutes between trains on the weekends.

Late night service will be offered to South Coast Rail stations with the last train leaving Boston just before midnight.

In addition to direct service, there will also be shuttles operating between each terminus point and East Taunton Station. This allows for even more frequent service, which is consistent with the All Day Service model across the rest of the Commuter Rail network.

My full analysis here: https://archboston.com/community/th...mmuter-rail-south-coast-rail.1553/post-414879
 
Post-script: and if anyone is wondering why SCR Phase 1 makes one-seat Commuter Rail to Bourne basically impossible until Phase 2 is built, check out that schedule grid I put together above. No trains available to extend to Bourne, and each branch already contending with 1 hour peak headways.
Do you think they'll skip a NB trip on Friday evenings to do the Cape Flyer?
 
With how far away Bourne is for how sparsely populated the communities are would there be the track capacity and feasibility to run service only as far as Braintree for a future improved Red Line or cross-platform at the center island transfer? On the Cape Flyer schedule that’d be 69min to Braintree + 25-30min on the Red Line or Commuter Rail which puts it in line with a local Worcester or Fitchburg. Not sure if this has already been discussed extensively
 
With how far away Bourne is for how sparsely populated the communities are would there be the track capacity and feasibility to run service only as far as Braintree for a future improved Red Line or cross-platform at the center island transfer? On the Cape Flyer schedule that’d be 69min to Braintree + 25-30min on the Red Line or Commuter Rail which puts it in line with a local Worcester or Fitchburg. Not sure if this has already been discussed extensively
The Buzzards Bay CR Feasibility Study concluded that a couple of Middleboro Branch passing sidings would need to be lengthened and that another couple would need to be added to extend an equivalent of today's Middleboro/Lakeville schedules to Buzzards Bay. If you're increasing service levels beyond that to include a new service branch, you'd need a lot more siding work on top of that.

Braintree is a very poor place to turn a train. The double-track platform is crucial for timing inbound-outbound meets on the adjoining single-track, so if the platform gets bogarted by a turning train that's down for 10-15 minutes for changing ends it could gap out schedules further. The OTP reliability is already threadbare because of how close the meets are, and likely to degrade a lot with SCR Phase I. Second, it's a pretty long and weather-unprotected walk from the Braintree CR platform to the Red headhouse (let alone the Red platforms). They aren't positioned well relative to each other for facilitating easy transfers, like JFK and Quincy Center are. So the transfer penalty is likely to dull the utilization quite a bit, especially in bad weather.
 
Do you think they'll skip a NB trip on Friday evenings to do the Cape Flyer?
I really have no idea. Based on ridership predictions, I would guess that it would be a Fall River train that gets dropped, rather than a New Bedford one.
 
I really have no idea. Based on ridership predictions, I would guess that it would be a Fall River train that gets dropped, rather than a New Bedford one.
I think there would be more of Friday/weekend rush for New Bedford than Fall River. Areas surrounding New Bedford have more of a "summering" population than Fall River, as well as the ferries to Martha's Vineyard/Nantucket/even cuttyhunk.
 
I think there would be more of Friday/weekend rush for New Bedford than Fall River. Areas surrounding New Bedford have more of a "summering" population than Fall River, as well as the ferries to Martha's Vineyard/Nantucket/even cuttyhunk.
That makes sense. Could you have one or more shuttles meet the train in Middleboro? They'd have to meet it at the Lakeville platform I assume. Ugh, I hope they don't make the Flyer a two-seat ride instead, which is entirely possible. It's slow enough as it is, and with all those people bringing bikes having to transfer...

Of course they could add some Cape ferries from NB instead I guess? Doesn't really help Wareham/Bourne much though.
 
Minor nitpick: Church Street station in New Bedford should be named Tarkiln Hill instead. Not named after Tarkiln Hill Road, but named after the hill itself, which is very close to the station. It's a bit odd that the MBTA considered multiple different names but never considered calling it Tarkiln Hill (as far as I know).
 
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Kings Highway, Tarklin Hill, North New Bedford, Brooklawn Park, Acushnet (the pre-1958 name)... anything would be better than Church Street, the name of an extremely minor arterial that parallels the rail line for miles.
 
Kings Highway, Tarklin Hill, North New Bedford, Brooklawn Park, Acushnet (the pre-1958 name)... anything would be better than Church Street, the name of an extremely minor arterial that parallels the rail line for miles.
Usually, I don't like it when stations are named after roads or highways, but Kings Highway would've been a cool and somewhat unique name for a station. I wish they had never changed the name to Church Street, that's pretty much the worst name they could've chosen.
 
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Usually, I don't like it when stations are named after roads or highways, but Kings Highway would've been a cool and somewhat unique name for a station. I wish they had never changed the name to Church Street, that's pretty much the worst name they could've chosen.
Too Maryland/Virginia for me. Leave the Kings/Queens to states that had landed gentry.
 
Usually, I don't like it when stations are named after roads or highways, but Kings Highway would've been a cool and somewhat unique name for a station. I wish they had never changed the name to Church Street, that's pretty much the worst name they could've chosen.
Kings Highway was what they were calling it in the 2013 FEIR for Phase II. Logical because it would've matched the namesake of the nearest MA 140 exit. Who knows what they were thinking with the Church St. changeover.
 
Too Maryland/Virginia for me. Leave the Kings/Queens to states that had landed gentry.
There were landed gentry in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, they just were not as prevalent as their southern brethren.

Winslows and Chaffees in the south east, Brinleys of Boston and Newport, Royals in Medford, come to mind.

Boston Brahmins tended to be merchants, politicians, educators or clergy, though.
 
There were landed gentry in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, they just were not as prevalent as their southern brethren.

Winslows and Chaffees in the south east, Brinleys of Boston and Newport, Royals in Medford, come to mind.

Boston Brahmins tended to be merchants, politicians, educators or clergy, though.
This is splitting hairs somewhat over what "landed gentry" really means. New England was primarily comprised of port cities with mercantile interests and settled by Calvinists with a very different economic structure and work ethic than other states further south. Moreover, the poor soil meant large farming estates were impossible. Sure, there were wealthy people who owned more land than average, but you're mostly thinking of the farm-estates in places like Dover that became the summer and winter escapes for Brahmin families in the 19th century into the present day. But that was all a post-hoc constructed idea of how wealthy people ought to be--owning land in the country and maybe having some farming. So while technically yes, people like the Websters, Saltonstalls, Ameses, and others commanded large tracts of land, they were not really "landed gentry" in the true meaning of deriving their family's main income from agriculture rather than industry, trade, or shipping.

There are reasons whey the Federalists and Jeffersonians clashed and continue to to this day in other forms. The environment, religion, economy, and settlement patterns all were highly different here vs PA and further south.
 
This is splitting hairs somewhat over what "landed gentry" really means. New England was primarily comprised of port cities with mercantile interests and settled by Calvinists with a very different economic structure and work ethic than other states further south. Moreover, the poor soil meant large farming estates were impossible. Sure, there were wealthy people who owned more land than average, but you're mostly thinking of the farm-estates in places like Dover that became the summer and winter escapes for Brahmin families in the 19th century into the present day. But that was all a post-hoc constructed idea of how wealthy people ought to be--owning land in the country and maybe having some farming. So while technically yes, people like the Websters, Saltonstalls, Ameses, and others commanded large tracts of land, they were not really "landed gentry" in the true meaning of deriving their family's main income from agriculture rather than industry, trade, or shipping.

There are reasons whey the Federalists and Jeffersonians clashed and continue to to this day in other forms. The environment, religion, economy, and settlement patterns all were highly different here vs PA and further south.
No, I am actually talking about the New England families who ran plantations -- in New England. They had large land holdings the used enslaved labor to crop the land. They also often had additional plantation holdings in the Caribbean (often Antigua) -- which they supplied from crops grown in New England* (as well as the other huge food source, salted cod). Some of the coastal plain areas were pretty rich farm land (not much of MA is).

* Seems counter intuitive, but the cash crop in the Caribbean was sugar cane, which was maximized for profit, and enslaved workers cannot eat sugar cane.

May I recommend Robert Geake's book: New England Plantations.
 
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